On 22/04/17 00:03, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:20:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What did you download them with?

Go to the website, select 'My Books', and click the little 3 dot options
bit on the book. Select 'Download EPUB'.

How did you break the DRM?

Sometimes it downloads a DRM-free epub, sometimes it gives you an ACSM
file. You need to install Adobe Digital Editions (Win or Mac). It will
take the ACSM file and give you an EPUB file. Read that one anything -
it's just a bunch of HTML and image files.

That was how I was gettung my epubs - with adobe digital editions under WINE

But it stopped working when waterstones threw the franchise to kobo.


So it's a faff, but I do it all the time. Really simple after the first
time!


If google is still hackable crackable with what I have then it may work.




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On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 09:53:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

That was how I was gettung my epubs - with adobe digital editions under
WINE

But it stopped working when waterstones threw the franchise to kobo.

I actually use a Kobo - it is fine, but I haven't bought a single book
from Kobo. Nice e-reader.

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On 22/04/17 10:21, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 09:53:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

That was how I was gettung my epubs - with adobe digital editions under
WINE

But it stopped working when waterstones threw the franchise to kobo.

I actually use a Kobo - it is fine, but I haven't bought a single book
from Kobo. Nice e-reader.

OOI, how are these readers better than just reading a pdf with, in my
case, Preview?

te text wraps with the windows size. If your PDF reader is in a small
window each line is a scroll action


Epub (dunno about Mobi) is a modified HTML so it works like web page.
And footnotes don't work!

PDF is a fixed font, page size, and layout. It is designed to be an
exact representation of a page. Woe betide you if that page wont fit on
your device's display.

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On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 10:21:11 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 09:53:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

That was how I was gettung my epubs - with adobe digital editions
under WINE

But it stopped working when waterstones threw the franchise to kobo.

I actually use a Kobo - it is fine, but I haven't bought a single book
from Kobo. Nice e-reader.

OOI, how are these readers better than just reading a pdf with, in my
case, Preview?

Um:

- Conveniently portable and lightweight
- Very long battery life (about a month)
- More restful to read (e-paper)


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On 21/04/2017 13:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

E books are a complete failure as far as I am concerned because DRM
makes it impossible to use them in the way I'd like, on loads of
different devices.

Either download them free from Project Gutenberg of 'borrow' them from
your local library.

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On 22/04/2017 00:03, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:20:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What did you download them with?

Go to the website, select 'My Books', and click the little 3 dot options
bit on the book. Select 'Download EPUB'.

The only download option I see on mine is "Download and transfer via
USB" and then it only offers the download to the physical kindle, and
not any of the PC or phone based readers?





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On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:50:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 22/04/2017 00:03, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:20:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What did you download them with?

Go to the website, select 'My Books', and click the little 3 dot
options bit on the book. Select 'Download EPUB'.

The only download option I see on mine is "Download and transfer via
USB" and then it only offers the download to the physical kindle, and
not any of the PC or phone based readers?

I'm talking about Google Play, on the actual website. Sorry, that may
have been ambiguous!

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On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:50:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 22/04/2017 00:03, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:20:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What did you download them with?

Go to the website, select 'My Books', and click the little 3 dot
options bit on the book. Select 'Download EPUB'.

The only download option I see on mine is "Download and transfer via
USB" and then it only offers the download to the physical kindle, and
not any of the PC or phone based readers?

On Amazon, you install the PC Kindle software. Download the book into
that, and go looking in the applications books directory.

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On 22/04/17 19:08, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:50:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 22/04/2017 00:03, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:20:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What did you download them with?

Go to the website, select 'My Books', and click the little 3 dot
options bit on the book. Select 'Download EPUB'.

The only download option I see on mine is "Download and transfer via
USB" and then it only offers the download to the physical kindle, and
not any of the PC or phone based readers?

On Amazon, you install the PC Kindle software. Download the book into
that, and go looking in the applications books directory.

I bet that software dont run on linux


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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 21/04/17 12:41, tim... wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 20/04/17 12:28, tim... wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 20/04/17 11:19, tim... wrote:
Not for the first time, nor for the second, do I find that my (from a
very limited sample) recent purchase is either CFU or fails within
a few
months of buying it.

Why do people swear by this means of shopping

Things may be cheap(er) but if they are useless and you have limited
(practical) means to get redress, what's the point?

Gimme the pound shop any day, at least I can take things back :-)

tim


Nothing I have ever sent backl to aasmazon hasnt been either replaced
or refunded as a matter of courese.

after 5 months?

After 18 months actually. In the case of the longest one.


or because it doesn't work as well as an "original" replacement when it
was clearly described as not an original replacement (and priced
accordingly). I was prepared for it to not be as good as an original
replacement - but it performed worse that the worn out original item I
was looking to replace.


I accidental;y ordered a TV wall bracket for a friend and it turned
out the TV had unusually wide fittings, so it went straight back no
problem Even postage was refunded.. My mistake. I should have double
checked.

Ebay? well generally iof you push you can get a refund there too.

But ebay is caveat emptor,

HOWEVER the last 2 items I got from ebay to repair the lefthand side
sockets on my laptop (where it fell off onto the floor) were 100%
perfect.

The thing I should have taken back was the totally crap office chair I
got from staples, but that is a 45 mile round trip. Utter crap. Beyond
utter crap actually.

Well I wouldn't buy that sort of thing untested

How can you test iit?
you have to put it together first.,

don't they have samples in the shop to try out?

Assuming that they conform to what is in the box, sort of.

In this case the screws that hold the seat on are so long they poke
through the totally inadequate foam padding to become a literal pain in
the rectum.

The shop one didn't have such long screws. And the fact that the back
starts to wobble after a few hours isn't apparent either

Basically with the flimsy A4 filing cabinet I bought that is not even as
substantial as Fiat bodywork, staples can **** off forever as far as I
am concerned.

In short I get a better shopping experience online than in any 'high
street;' or retail park, with one notable exception.

Books.

E books are a complete failure as far as I am concerned because DRM
makes it impossible to use them in the way I'd like, on loads of
different devices.


Download Calibre (which is donation supported) and the decryption
plugins (which are hosted separately) and you can 'format shift' ebooks
you have paid for to DRM-free other formats. One could presumably
pirate things by this method, but personally I feel morally justified in
using things I've paid for on other devices.





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On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:20:49 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/04/17 19:08, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:50:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 22/04/2017 00:03, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:20:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What did you download them with?

Go to the website, select 'My Books', and click the little 3 dot
options bit on the book. Select 'Download EPUB'.

The only download option I see on mine is "Download and transfer via
USB" and then it only offers the download to the physical kindle, and
not any of the PC or phone based readers?

On Amazon, you install the PC Kindle software. Download the book into
that, and go looking in the applications books directory.

I bet that software dont run on linux

No, but probably on Wine.

However, the insistence on Windows/Mac is one of the reasons I avoid
Amazon like the plague. I used Windows to download all of my Kindle books
once, converted them to epub, and that was it. No more.

I feel no guilt in doing this; I paid for them.



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On 22/04/17 19:43, Roger Hayter wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 21/04/17 12:41, tim... wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 20/04/17 12:28, tim... wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news On 20/04/17 11:19, tim... wrote:
Not for the first time, nor for the second, do I find that my (from a
very limited sample) recent purchase is either CFU or fails within
a few
months of buying it.

Why do people swear by this means of shopping

Things may be cheap(er) but if they are useless and you have limited
(practical) means to get redress, what's the point?

Gimme the pound shop any day, at least I can take things back :-)

tim


Nothing I have ever sent backl to aasmazon hasnt been either replaced
or refunded as a matter of courese.

after 5 months?

After 18 months actually. In the case of the longest one.


or because it doesn't work as well as an "original" replacement when it
was clearly described as not an original replacement (and priced
accordingly). I was prepared for it to not be as good as an original
replacement - but it performed worse that the worn out original item I
was looking to replace.


I accidental;y ordered a TV wall bracket for a friend and it turned
out the TV had unusually wide fittings, so it went straight back no
problem Even postage was refunded.. My mistake. I should have double
checked.

Ebay? well generally iof you push you can get a refund there too.

But ebay is caveat emptor,

HOWEVER the last 2 items I got from ebay to repair the lefthand side
sockets on my laptop (where it fell off onto the floor) were 100%
perfect.

The thing I should have taken back was the totally crap office chair I
got from staples, but that is a 45 mile round trip. Utter crap. Beyond
utter crap actually.

Well I wouldn't buy that sort of thing untested

How can you test iit?
you have to put it together first.,

don't they have samples in the shop to try out?

Assuming that they conform to what is in the box, sort of.

In this case the screws that hold the seat on are so long they poke
through the totally inadequate foam padding to become a literal pain in
the rectum.

The shop one didn't have such long screws. And the fact that the back
starts to wobble after a few hours isn't apparent either

Basically with the flimsy A4 filing cabinet I bought that is not even as
substantial as Fiat bodywork, staples can **** off forever as far as I
am concerned.

In short I get a better shopping experience online than in any 'high
street;' or retail park, with one notable exception.

Books.

E books are a complete failure as far as I am concerned because DRM
makes it impossible to use them in the way I'd like, on loads of
different devices.


Download Calibre (which is donation supported) and the decryption
plugins (which are hosted separately) and you can 'format shift' ebooks
you have paid for to DRM-free other formats.

I have calibre. The DRM plugins didn't work. I founda ghastly way that
did work, then Waterstones shoved the business to Konbo, and that way no
longer worked.

I gave up. Life is too short


One could presumably
pirate things by this method, but personally I feel morally justified in
using things I've paid for on other devices.







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On 21/04/2017 10:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/04/17 10:51, Robin wrote:
On 21/04/2017 10:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

True. And suggests things made in other countries like the UK are always
perfect. If they had been, we'd still be making them. ;-)


I think there are some folk at Crewe who would argue they still do but -
as Marcus Sieff (M&S) used to say - "the price of perfection is
prohibitive"

price tends to infinity as quality tends to perfection.

Anyone who has worked to MILSPEC can tell you that ;-)

IME Milspec tends to be "adequate[1]" rather than perfect, and built so
you can hose the remnants of squaddies off it.

[1] i.e. they will go for tried and tested, and available from multiple
sources, over bleeding edge every time.


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