Just ran a piece on TV about a guy catching a 79 pound carp with a bow
and arrow in Iowa.

Anywhere close to you Morris?

Listed as a predator fish in Iowa.

By chance this the same species raising so much hell in the Illinois
river?

Can certainly relate to this guy.

As a high school kid, had a 50 pound lemon wood reflex bow with
hunting arrows that I used to try to hunt cap.

Emphasis on "TRY", never shot one.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Just ran a piece on TV about a guy catching a 79 pound carp with a bow
and arrow in Iowa.

Anywhere close to you Morris?

Not this year.

I didn't see the story, but I'll guess that it was on the Mississippi or
the Missouri Rivers - and both /normally/ stay far away from this area.

Listed as a predator fish in Iowa.

By chance this the same species raising so much hell in the Illinois
river?

I hope not! If they get into the Mississipi, then they'll also infest
the Ohio and Missouri (and the Wabash and...) and then all we'd need
would be a salt water adaptation to infest the Gulf.

79 pounds is a lotta fish! Imagine having a couple dozen that size jump
into your boat when you were trolling...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

"Morris Dovey" wrote:

I didn't see the story, but I'll guess that it was on the
Mississippi or the Missouri Rivers - and both /normally/ stay far
away from this area.

I hope not! If they get into the Mississipi, then they'll also
infest the Ohio and Missouri (and the Wabash and...) and then all
we'd need would be a salt water adaptation to infest the Gulf.

The ones in the Illinois were brought in illegally to be served in
restraunts and escaped into the water way system.

They are like a flying fish in that they jump out of the water and
into the boats.

Last I heard, they are trying to contain in the Illinois.

Think they may have tried dynamite, but not sure.

If they are not successful the entire US inland water way system,
including the Great Lakes is vulnerable.

Which is why I asked the question about being the same as the flying
carp.

79 pounds is a lotta fish! Imagine having a couple dozen that size
jump into your boat when you were trolling...

My dad grew up along the Ohio River long before they built the levees.

Told me lots of stories about 100 pound catfish being caught using
ground hog for bait,
a Jon boat for drifting, clothesline for fishing line along with 1
gallon Karo Syrup
cans for bobbers.

Catch one of those big boys and you just sat back and let the catfish
take you for a boat ride until it got tired.

During the spring floods, the big catfish would swim out into the
flooded fields,
then get trapped the waters receded.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote:

I didn't see the story, but I'll guess that it was on the
Mississippi or the Missouri Rivers - and both /normally/ stay far
away from this area

If they are not successful the entire US inland water way system,
including the Great Lakes is vulnerable.

Which is why I asked the question about being the same as the flying
carp.

79 pounds is a lotta fish! Imagine having a couple dozen that size
jump into your boat when you were trolling...



As children we use to catch carp that came up the creek from the Maumee
River in northern Indiana.

How does this carp differ from the native carp?

Lew Hodgett wrote:
: Just ran a piece on TV about a guy catching a 79 pound carp with a bow
: and arrow in Iowa.


What was a carp doing with a bow and arrow?

Boom chika boom

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:17:29 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:

My dad grew up along the Ohio River long before they built the levees.

Told me lots of stories about 100 pound catfish being caught using
ground hog for bait,
a Jon boat for drifting, clothesline for fishing line along with 1
gallon Karo Syrup
cans for bobbers.

So did I. A local sport was "bobbing" for channel cats. Put a doughball
on a hook with a sinker and about 4 feet of line and tie it to the neck
of a gallon jug. Throw about 20 or 30 of those off a bridge. Drive
dwonstream, put your boat in, and wait for the jugs. You were having a
bad day if you didn't get several 1-5 pounders and at least 1 10 pounder.

I've seen pictures of some pretty big catfish and bought catfish steaks
locally that would fill a 12" frying pan, but I never caught the really
big ones.



--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

"Keith Nuttle" wrote:

As children we use to catch carp that came up the creek from the
Maumee River in northern Indiana.

How does this carp differ from the native carp?

All I remember was seeing a story a couple of years ago about "flying
carp" in the Illinois river, indicating it was a totally different
fish than the carp you and I used to catch down in the old "fishing
hole".

Now this fish in Iowa shot with a bow and arrow, which tells me it was
probably in the shallow back waters and that Iowa considers it a
predator fish.

Lew

On Jun 28, 12:19*pm, Andrew Barss wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:

: Just ran a piece on TV about a guy catching a 79 pound carp with a bow
: and arrow in Iowa.

What was a carp doing with a bow and arrow? *

Boom chika boom

Andrew will be here all week.
Try the veal.
Don't forget to tip your waitress.
..
..
..
..
had a good laugh though.

On Jun 28, 4:29*am, Morris Dovey wrote:
[schnipferized for brevity]

79 pounds is a lotta fish! Imagine having a couple dozen that size jump
into your boat when you were trolling...


When I still lived in the fine city of Toronto, an old Italian down
the street from me would go looking for carp. He'd then rub them in
spices and garlic and put them in the smoker. That was some incredible
tasty stuff. A bit greasy and coarse.
I don't think I'd be willing to try that with a carp from one of the
Amsterdam canals, they'd be rubbery...(nudge, nudge, get it, rubbery,
condoms...never mind..)

I was raised on the banks of the old river Rhine (not the diverted-
through-Rotterdam one) and there were lots of carp in it. Sometimes
local 'fishermen' would go to the local abattoir and get a horse's
head, tie a rope through its eye-sockets and toss the thing in the
river. Then they'd come back, weeks later, and haul it out of the
water, along with a dozen eels which would have taken up residence in
the now-hollow skull. They'd smoke them and eat them.
Not Robbie though, never had the stomach for that. I did like the
small, farm-bred eel, mostly fed on vegetative matter. Those were full
of yumminess. Smoked of course.
The local fish market would have daily specials on carp.... yea,
yea...Carp Diem...

Do you know the difference between insert politician's name and a
carp?
One is a bottom feeder and the other is a fish.

Robatoy wrote:

When I still lived in the fine city of Toronto, an old Italian down
the street from me would go looking for carp. He'd then rub them in
spices and garlic and put them in the smoker. That was some incredible
tasty stuff. A bit greasy and coarse.


In college I used to help an old Czech sausage maker in Snook, Texas
unload his pickup after fishing trips on the Brazos. He used gill nets
to catch buffalo carp, and it only took a couple of them to fill up the
bed of a '54 Ford pickup. His specialty was smoked carp. Tasty!

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Remember gold fish are Carp also. They get big in open water.
How many were flushed ? or dumped. How many gravel pit full of water
has .... ?
Martin

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote:

I didn't see the story, but I'll guess that it was on the
Mississippi or the Missouri Rivers - and both /normally/ stay far
away from this area.

I hope not! If they get into the Mississipi, then they'll also
infest the Ohio and Missouri (and the Wabash and...) and then all
we'd need would be a salt water adaptation to infest the Gulf.

The ones in the Illinois were brought in illegally to be served in
restraunts and escaped into the water way system.

They are like a flying fish in that they jump out of the water and
into the boats.

Last I heard, they are trying to contain in the Illinois.

Think they may have tried dynamite, but not sure.

If they are not successful the entire US inland water way system,
including the Great Lakes is vulnerable.

Which is why I asked the question about being the same as the flying
carp.

79 pounds is a lotta fish! Imagine having a couple dozen that size
jump into your boat when you were trolling...

My dad grew up along the Ohio River long before they built the levees.

Told me lots of stories about 100 pound catfish being caught using
ground hog for bait,
a Jon boat for drifting, clothesline for fishing line along with 1
gallon Karo Syrup
cans for bobbers.

Catch one of those big boys and you just sat back and let the catfish
take you for a boat ride until it got tired.

During the spring floods, the big catfish would swim out into the
flooded fields,
then get trapped the waters receded.

Lew

Copied from local paper.

Anywhere near you Morris?

Lew
===================================
Record Breaking 79-pound Carp Pulled from Cedar River
By Becky Ogann

Story Created: Jun 26, 2009 at 1:59 PM CDT

Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 1:18 AM CDT
LINN COUNTY - Tracy Seaton, 47, of Shellsburg, Iowa pulled in a 79
pound 4 ounce Bighead Carp from the banks of the Cedar River in Cedar
Rapids Thursday evening.

Iowa DNR Officer Paul Sleeper verified the fish is a new state record
beating out the previous weight of a 76 pound carp caught last year.

Seaton used the bow and arrow fishing technique to catch the fish.

The Bighead carp is an exotic fish from Asia and is considered an
invasive species in Iowa.
=====================================

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Copied from local paper.

Anywhere near you Morris?

Lew
===================================
Record Breaking 79-pound Carp Pulled from Cedar River
By Becky Ogann

Story Created: Jun 26, 2009 at 1:59 PM CDT

Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 1:18 AM CDT
LINN COUNTY - Tracy Seaton, 47, of Shellsburg, Iowa pulled in a 79
pound 4 ounce Bighead Carp from the banks of the Cedar River in Cedar
Rapids Thursday evening.

Iowa DNR Officer Paul Sleeper verified the fish is a new state record
beating out the previous weight of a 76 pound carp caught last year.

Seaton used the bow and arrow fishing technique to catch the fish.

The Bighead carp is an exotic fish from Asia and is considered an
invasive species in Iowa.

Cedar Rapids / Linn County is about an hour and a quarter away via I-80
and I-380 - probably 90 miles or so east and slightly north.

The Cedar River empties into the Iowa River down by Fredonia, and the
Iowa River empties into the Mississippi about 20 miles southeast of
there (south and a bit west from the Quad Cities of Bettendorf,
Davenport, Moline, and Rock Island).

Not "right close", but still too near for comfort.

Wondering how difficult it'd be to turn 'em into stinkless tractor fuel,
hog feed, and corn/bean fertilizer. There oughta be a silver lining
somewhere in that cloud....

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Jun 29, 8:49*am, Morris Dovey wrote:


Wondering how difficult it'd be to turn 'em into stinkless tractor fuel,
hog feed, and corn/bean fertilizer. There oughta be a silver lining
somewhere in that cloud....

In a refining process like that, most unionized workers would be
working for scale.

Upscale wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
In a refining process like that, most unionized workers would be
working for scale.

Don't you mean scale(s)?

Are you trying to be finny?

--
Froz...

On Jun 29, 11:34*am, "Upscale" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
In a refining process like that, most unionized workers would be
working for scale.

Don't you mean scale(s)?

I think there's something fishy about what you're implying.

On Jun 29, 10:41*am, FrozenNorth
wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
In a refining process like that, most unionized workers would be
working for scale.

Don't you mean scale(s)?

Are you trying to be finny?

--
Froz...

He's just trying to reel you in.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
In a refining process like that, most unionized workers would be
working for scale.

Don't you mean scale(s)?

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote:

As children we use to catch carp that came up the creek from the
Maumee River in northern Indiana.

How does this carp differ from the native carp?

All I remember was seeing a story a couple of years ago about "flying
carp" in the Illinois river, indicating it was a totally different
fish than the carp you and I used to catch down in the old "fishing
hole".

Now this fish in Iowa shot with a bow and arrow, which tells me it was
probably in the shallow back waters and that Iowa considers it a
predator fish.

I grew up fishing for carp in the Allegheny, Mon and Ohio rivers. Carp
have no teeth, and are bottom feeders. Hard to figure how they could be
considered predators? Our rivers are loaded with Bass, Pike, Catfish,
and a bunch of other game fish, including some Musky and Carp probably
is what they all live on. Not sure why anyone would want to dynamite
the damned things, they are great fun to catch.
--
Jack
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http://jbstein.com

"Robatoy" wrote in message ssage
In a refining process like that, most unionized workers would be
working for scale.

Don't you mean scale(s)?

I think there's something fishy about what you're implying.

Nahh! I'm just trolling for the truth.

On Jun 28, 12:59*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote:
As children we use to catch carp that came up the creek from the
Maumee River in northern Indiana.

How does this carp differ from the native carp?

All I remember was seeing a story a couple of years ago about "flying
carp" in the Illinois river, indicating it was a totally different
fish than the carp you and I used to catch down in the old "fishing
hole".

Now this fish in Iowa shot with a bow and arrow, which tells me it was
probably in the shallow back waters and that Iowa considers it a
predator fish.

Lew

Lew,
Don't know about "shallow", but some 45yrs. ago, my BIL used to fish
carp in Chautauqua Lake here in western NY using a bow rig with 100lb.
test line. This was when they were spawning and would come up to roll
in the weed beds. I helped row the boat and pull them up. When he hit
them, they'd head straight for the bottom and try to tangle in the
weeds, so it was a matter of literally hoisting them up. Don't know
the weights, but I know we hauled out a lot of 5' ones, and more than
one that exceeded 6' long. His Dad would skin them, cut out the mud-
streak, soak them in salt brine overnight, then smoke them in an old
refrigerator, then sell them to guys in the bars for $1/lb, guys who
normally wouldn't touch Carp on a bet, considering it "ni**er" food.

Norm

On Jun 29, 2:31*pm, "Upscale" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message ssage
In a refining process like that, most unionized workers would be
working for scale.

Don't you mean scale(s)?
I think there's something fishy about what you're implying.

Nahh! I'm just trolling for the truth.

You're not feeding me a line?

On Jun 29, 6:55*pm, "Upscale" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
Nahh! I'm just trolling for the truth.
You're not feeding me a line?

Actually, I was hoping to lure you into giving me more information and net
myself some facts.

Before I can spawn any more puns, I would have to get ****ed to the
gills first.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
Nahh! I'm just trolling for the truth.
You're not feeding me a line?

Actually, I was hoping to lure you into giving me more information and net
myself some facts.

"Jack Stein" wrote:


I grew up fishing for carp in the Allegheny, Mon and Ohio rivers.
Carp have no teeth, and are bottom feeders. Hard to figure how they
could be considered predators?

My error.

I stated it was considered a predator, WRONG.

"is considered an invasive species in Iowa" is the correct terminalogy
per local newspaper article.

Jack, the carp you describe is probably what comes to mind when
probably more than 90% on this list think of carp, including myself.

Small soft mouth that will allow a hook to rip right out if you pull
too hard when you set the hook.

The 79 pound fish in Iowa weas called a "big mouth carp". The picture
of the fish sure didn't remind me of the carp you and I seem to know.

Lew







Our rivers are loaded with Bass, Pike, Catfish,
and a bunch of other game fish, including some Musky and Carp
probably is what they all live on. Not sure why anyone would want
to dynamite the damned things, they are great fun to catch.
--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com

"Nahmie" wrote:

Lew,
Don't know about "shallow", but some 45yrs. ago, my BIL used to fish
carp in Chautauqua Lake here in western NY using a bow rig with 100lb.
test line. This was when they were spawning and would come up to roll
in the weed beds. I helped row the boat and pull them up. When he hit
them, they'd head straight for the bottom and try to tangle in the
weeds, so it was a matter of literally hoisting them up. Don't know
the weights, but I know we hauled out a lot of 5' ones, and more than
one that exceeded 6' long. His Dad would skin them, cut out the mud-
streak, soak them in salt brine overnight, then smoke them in an old
refrigerator, then sell them to guys in the bars for $1/lb, guys who
normally wouldn't touch Carp on a bet, considering it "ni**er" food.

Spawning in the weed beds sounds about right.

As far as shallow is concerned, unless the fish is in relatively
shallow water and breaks the surface now and then, you're not going to
have much of a chance with a bow and arrow.

Where I grew up those weed beds were shallow, maybe 2'-3' at most.

My dad learned at an early age how to dress out carp.

Cut 1/2" on either side of the dorsal fin to get rid of the mud vein
and 1/2" above the belly fins, again to get rid of the "gamy" taste.

You basically end up with two fillets.

He never learned how to smoke them and preferred fish no bigger than 5
pounds.

Can still remember he would bake them in the oven with a strip of
bacon on each fillet, pinned in place with tooth picks.

Lew

"Morris Dovey" wrote:


The Cedar River empties into the Iowa River down by Fredonia, and
the Iowa River empties into the Mississippi about 20 miles southeast
of there (south and a bit west from the Quad Cities of Bettendorf,
Davenport, Moline, and Rock Island).

OK, been to the Quad Cities several times.

Wonder if the Holiday Inn in Moline still has the stuffed polar bear
in the lobby?

He was starting to look a litty ratty in the early 90s.

Wondering how difficult it'd be to turn 'em into stinkless tractor
fuel, hog feed, and corn/bean fertilizer. There oughta be a silver
lining somewhere in that cloud....

At one time there was a funded project to find a commercial use for
rough fish and that's about all I remember.

Lew

Robatoy wrote:
On Jun 29, 10:41 am, FrozenNorth
wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
In a refining process like that, most unionized workers would be
working for scale.
Don't you mean scale(s)?
Are you trying to be finny?

--
Froz...

He's just trying to reel you in.

I think he got ya, hook line and ... oh hell....you know the rest.

Tanus

On Jun 29, 7:52*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Nahmie" wrote:

Lew,
Don't know about "shallow", but some 45yrs. ago, my BIL used to fish
carp in Chautauqua Lake here in western NY using a bow rig with 100lb.
test line. This was when they were spawning and would come up to roll
in the weed beds. I helped row the boat and pull them up. When he hit
them, they'd head straight for the bottom and try to tangle in the
weeds, so it was a matter of literally hoisting them up. Don't know
the weights, but I know we hauled out a lot of 5' ones, and more than
one that exceeded 6' long. His Dad would skin them, cut out the mud-
streak, soak them in salt brine overnight, then smoke them in an old
refrigerator, then sell them to guys in the bars for $1/lb, guys who
normally wouldn't touch Carp on a bet, considering it "ni**er" food.

Spawning in the weed beds sounds about right.

As far as shallow is concerned, unless the fish is in relatively
shallow water and breaks the surface now and then, you're not going to
have much of a chance with a bow and arrow.

Where I grew up those weed beds were shallow, maybe 2'-3' at most.

My dad learned at an early age how to dress out carp.

Cut 1/2" on either side of the dorsal fin to get rid of the mud vein
and 1/2" above the belly fins, again to get rid of the "gamy" taste.

You basically end up with two fillets.

He never learned how to smoke them and preferred fish no bigger than 5
pounds.

Can still remember he would bake them in the oven with a strip of
bacon on each fillet, pinned in place with tooth picks.

Lew

Sorry, I forgot that he filetted them. The weed beds I'm talking about
were 8-10' or more deep, and when the Carp were spawning, they would
often come to the surface and roll, frequently staying up 10 to 15
sec. FIL would make a "hot" smoke to bake the fat out, then a slow
corncob/apple smoke to finish. Turned out almost the color of ham, but
very flaky & tender. Most around here would subscribe to the "planked
carp" baking method - - nail the Carp to a plank, bake it, then throw
the fish away & eat the plank.

Norm

"Nahmie" wrote:

Most around here would subscribe to the "planked
carp" baking method - - nail the Carp to a plank, bake it, then throw
the fish away & eat the plank.


Same where I grew up.

Lew

"Joe Brophy" wrote:

=================================
We used .22's to shoot the carp in irrigation lakes in
summertime. During the hot weather they would drift just
under water 15-30' offshore and "slurp" air, at least I
think that was what they were doing. They would
overpopulate these lakes, crowding out the trout. bass and
walleye. Suckers and chubs were also a non native intrusive
fish. I was told the "junk" fish like these got their start
from fishermen dumping their remain live minnows at the end
of the day in the ponds or lakes they were fishing.
==============================

What part of the country?

Lew
..

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

Saw a rerun of a piece on PBS describing the Asian carp situation in
the Illinois River.

They have installed a curtain of electrodes in the water with low
voltage electrical currents flowing between electrodes.

Fish will jump out of the water to avoid those electrical currents
which is probably where my thoughts about "flying carp" came from.

As of now, those electrodes are the only thing keeping those carp out
of Lake Michigan.



Lew