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On 22/03/2017 13:21, Roger Hayter wrote:
Huge wrote: On 2017-03-22, John Rumm wrote: [21 lines snipped] Also the joys of having no receive mail protocols supported on demon at the time, and needing to run a SMTP server to accept incoming email ;-) Arrrgh, 'sendmail'. Hideous, hideous, hideous. Although I switched to Postfix quite quickly. That was before Turnpike, then? I was running all my internet stuff on an Amiga at the time, so no Turnpike support... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 21/03/2017 15:14, critcher wrote:
Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. yes I suppose Usenet does give us a chuckle now and again, usually the same posters. |
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On 22/03/17 08:38, Chris J Dixon wrote:
John Rumm wrote: (I think my first usenet posts must have been mid 90's) Me too. Currently 68. As I remarked the other day, if my planned redecoration of hall, stairs & landing last as long as the present stuff, I will be 85 by the next time it needs doing. I wonder if I will still be using ladders by then? Having moved last year I expect to be DIYing for a while yet. On the principle that a may be alive in 20 years time, possibly 30, but by then I am unlikely to care, so anything that needs doing had best be done now while I still have the inclination and time to enjoy it. -- djc (–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿) No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree. |
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On 21/03/2017 20:13, DJC wrote:
On 21/03/17 15:54, Bill Wright wrote: On 21/03/2017 15:42, Jeff Layman wrote: On 21/03/17 15:18, newshound wrote: On 3/21/2017 3:14 PM, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. And a fair number of cranky attitudes too. The young are the ones with the cranky attitudes. The reason being that they're brainwashed. I'm 68. Is anyone here younger than me? 62½ I'm getting old to read that correctly. Is is 62% alive, or 62% dead ?. |
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On 22/03/2017 21:17, Andrew wrote:
On 21/03/2017 20:13, DJC wrote: On 21/03/17 15:54, Bill Wright wrote: On 21/03/2017 15:42, Jeff Layman wrote: On 21/03/17 15:18, newshound wrote: On 3/21/2017 3:14 PM, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. And a fair number of cranky attitudes too. The young are the ones with the cranky attitudes. The reason being that they're brainwashed. I'm 68. Is anyone here younger than me? 62½ I'm getting old to read that correctly. Is is 62% alive, or 62% dead ?. I think that was 62.5 but in old money ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Bob Eager writes: On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:57:40 +0000, John Rumm wrote: On 21/03/2017 17:59, Roger Mills wrote: On 21/03/2017 16:46, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote: On 21/03/2017 15:54, Bill Wright wrote: The young are the ones with the cranky attitudes. The reason being that they're brainwashed. I'm 68. Is anyone here younger than me? Almost everyone I shouldn't wonder. Although there used to be an "older lady" here that used to gripe about her grumpy/useless husband and his DIY.... She was called Florence or Ethel, or Mildred or some such other. Last heard of chopping down a cherry tree and chasing her chickens around the yard IIRC... You mean Mary Fisher, aka "oldhenwife" - who always referred to her other half as "spouse". Haven't seen her lately. Bill is certainly not the oldest at 68 - I can give him 6 years - and I'm sure there are lots older than me. As others have said, usenet probably doesn't appeal to the younger generation. I have been posting here since I was in my 30's! I've been on Usenet since I was 31 (in 1982). 1985 for me - we had a dial-up uucp connection to Sun Microsystems (who weren't much known back then) and some Sun newgroups were passed to us. I became aware of some unix and C newsgroups, and we got those on an ad-hoc basis from someone at Sun on tapes in the post (which was how much of usenet transmission around the world worked at that time). They were read-only at that point by virtue of us not ever sending any tapes back. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news newshound explained : On 3/21/2017 3:14 PM, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. And a fair number of cranky attitudes too. Usenet does not have the traffic it once did; my suspicion is that the younger element congregate to what might be perceived as the slightly more social environment of the web based bulletin boards, plus of course the social media. I didn't discover Usenet until the early 2000's, I had heard of it, but just couldn't work out how to get to actually make use of it. I had used email and some home Internet via Free something-or-other for many years. Now I have a raft of devices all making use of my broadband, but I am always left wondering if I might be missing out on something, like I missed out on Usenet for many years. One thing I really ought to do, is get my head around setting up an email server, rather than the mess I have at present of each system grabbing mail from my accounts when its turned on. Doing your own email server isnt a trivial exercise and doesn't really get you much instead of just getting your own domain and using some decent email server. The main problem with that approach is that some like godaddy can get a bit gung ho about blacklists at times and you can find you don't get some mail if you go that route if they decide that a mailing list you are on by choice is actually a spammer etc. But getting as good a result with spam filtering as you get with gmail without any effort at all is a hell of a lot harder to do than you might think. There's a reason gmail leaves the rest for dead in that regard. IMO that's because they get vastly more email moving thru their system than you will ever get and that allows them to automatically check whats spam very easily just from the volume of close to identical posts from particular sources etc. Not clear how they work out what is mailing lists and what is real spam tho, but they do that very effectively indeed and hardly ever end up getting that wrong. Mine that I use in usenet is a real email, not munged, altho it looks like it is, and I just don't ever get any spam ending up in the inbox or stuff that should end up in the inbox ending up in the spam folder either. And the latest approach of allowing you to put anything you like after a + sign in the part before the @ allows you to label things so you can track who has let your email escape their system or has flogged it to spammers, at least until the spammers auto strip what follows the + too. |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news Tim Streater expressed precisely : Sounds like each device you have is configured to delete mail from server once downloaded. You don't have to do that. You can configure each client to leave mail on server (i.e. never delete it), and have a "main" device which controls when mail *is* deleted. That is what I presently do, but I am conscious of the amount of mail I receive and limited space on the ISP's mail server. Makes no sense to use an ISP mail server. You should be using gmail so you can change your ISP as easily as changing your shirt and gmail has unlimited space. |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 11:35:43 +0000, John Rumm wrote:
Possibly late 80's, was CiX just it's own conferences or did it gateway to usenet as well? Failing that early 90's when I became a founder member of Demon Internet. Late 80's I was using BBS ... I was running one. ... and posting messages on fidonet... GT-Power network 050/039 The Broken Biscuit -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 21/03/17 15:18, newshound wrote:
On 3/21/2017 3:14 PM, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. And a fair number of cranky attitudes too. http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/meds...razsenile.html :-p -- Adrian C |
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On 23/03/2017 12:01, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 21/03/17 15:18, newshound wrote: On 3/21/2017 3:14 PM, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. And a fair number of cranky attitudes too. http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/meds...razsenile.html :-p There are some in this ng that could use a dose of that :-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Huge wrote:
On 2017-03-22, John Rumm wrote: On 22/03/2017 13:21, Roger Hayter wrote: Huge wrote: On 2017-03-22, John Rumm wrote: [21 lines snipped] Also the joys of having no receive mail protocols supported on demon at the time, and needing to run a SMTP server to accept incoming email ;-) Arrrgh, 'sendmail'. Hideous, hideous, hideous. Although I switched to Postfix quite quickly. That was before Turnpike, then? I was running all my internet stuff on an Amiga at the time, so no Turnpike support... And I think Roger missed my earlier comment about a SPARCstation 1+. Good point. I must have assumed that you joined the era of cheap PCs sooner than you did. -- Roger Hayter |
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Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:
On 21/03/2017 20:26, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On 21/03/17 20:03, Chris Bartram wrote: Am I relatively young here, then, at 47? 43 here. I feel like a child. 43? - have you just got off your skateboard? 50 and a half here and still able to out-skateboard/trampoline/dive/run/cycle/insert any physical activity here my 15 year old zombified son. And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= |
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On 23/03/2017 17:25, Phil L wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 21/03/2017 20:26, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On 21/03/17 20:03, Chris Bartram wrote: Am I relatively young here, then, at 47? 43 here. I feel like a child. 43? - have you just got off your skateboard? 50 and a half here and still able to out-skateboard/trampoline/dive/run/cycle/insert any physical activity here my 15 year old zombified son. And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= Not here it doesn't... I think that's outlook express being as clueless as usual. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:11:04 +0000, Huge wrote:
On 2017-03-23, John Rumm wrote: On 23/03/2017 17:25, Phil L wrote: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 21/03/2017 20:26, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On 21/03/17 20:03, Chris Bartram wrote: Am I relatively young here, then, at 47? 43 here. I feel like a child. 43? - have you just got off your skateboard? 50 and a half here and still able to out-skateboard/trampoline/dive/run/cycle/insert any physical activity here my 15 year old zombified son. And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= Not here it doesn't... I think that's outlook express being as clueless as usual. slrn is just as clueless, then. Pan is obviously clueless, too. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:43:28 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:11:04 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2017-03-23, John Rumm wrote: On 23/03/2017 17:25, Phil L wrote: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 21/03/2017 20:26, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On 21/03/17 20:03, Chris Bartram wrote: Am I relatively young here, then, at 47? 43 here. I feel like a child. 43? - have you just got off your skateboard? 50 and a half here and still able to out-skateboard/trampoline/dive/run/cycle/insert any physical activity here my 15 year old zombified son. And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= Not here it doesn't... I think that's outlook express being as clueless as usual. slrn is just as clueless, then. Pan is obviously clueless, too. Can't these things decode a quoted-printable encoded word? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Encoded-Word Usually, yes. Wonder if in some way this is an edge case. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:43:28 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:11:04 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2017-03-23, John Rumm wrote: On 23/03/2017 17:25, Phil L wrote: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 21/03/2017 20:26, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On 21/03/17 20:03, Chris Bartram wrote: Am I relatively young here, then, at 47? 43 here. I feel like a child. 43? - have you just got off your skateboard? 50 and a half here and still able to out-skateboard/trampoline/dive/run/cycle/insert any physical activity here my 15 year old zombified son. And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= Not here it doesn't... I think that's outlook express being as clueless as usual. slrn is just as clueless, then. Pan is obviously clueless, too. Can't these things decode a quoted-printable encoded word? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Encoded-Word I don't believe his From: header is syntactically correct; it seems to be missing a '(' at the start of the CFWS (he has a ')' at the end, as the =29, and I'm not sure a semicolon belongs there at all. The effect for Pan is that it loses everything from the semicolon to the end of the line, and can't then make sense of it. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:25:45 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:43:28 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:11:04 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2017-03-23, John Rumm wrote: On 23/03/2017 17:25, Phil L wrote: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 21/03/2017 20:26, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On 21/03/17 20:03, Chris Bartram wrote: Am I relatively young here, then, at 47? 43 here. I feel like a child. 43? - have you just got off your skateboard? 50 and a half here and still able to out-skateboard/trampoline/dive/run/cycle/insert any physical activity here my 15 year old zombified son. And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= Not here it doesn't... I think that's outlook express being as clueless as usual. slrn is just as clueless, then. Pan is obviously clueless, too. Can't these things decode a quoted-printable encoded word? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Encoded-Word Usually, yes. Wonder if in some way this is an edge case. C2AC is the NOT-SIGN, and 29 is the RIGHT PARENTHESIS. Everything else is itself apart from the underscores which convert to spaces. Can't see anything edgy about that. The C2AC is a comment and ought to be started with a '('. Not sure about the semicolon either; RFC 5322 doesn't seem to permit it in that context. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Rumm writes On 23/03/2017 17:25, Phil L wrote: And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= Not here it doesn't... I think that's outlook express being as clueless as usual. Turnpike displays it as intended :-) -- Graeme |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:27:29 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:43:28 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:11:04 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2017-03-23, John Rumm wrote: On 23/03/2017 17:25, Phil L wrote: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 21/03/2017 20:26, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On 21/03/17 20:03, Chris Bartram wrote: Am I relatively young here, then, at 47? 43 here. I feel like a child. 43? - have you just got off your skateboard? 50 and a half here and still able to out-skateboard/trampoline/dive/run/cycle/insert any physical activity here my 15 year old zombified son. And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= Not here it doesn't... I think that's outlook express being as clueless as usual. slrn is just as clueless, then. Pan is obviously clueless, too. Can't these things decode a quoted-printable encoded word? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Encoded-Word I don't believe his From: header is syntactically correct; it seems to be missing a '(' at the start of the CFWS (he has a ')' at the end, as the =29, and I'm not sure a semicolon belongs there at all. Well, his From: header is of the form: From: Joe Soap rather than: From: (Joe Soap) or From: "Joe Soap" or From: "Joe Soap" It's of the form: From: ;¬) All forms are equally valid, AFAIK. Not sure that is. Here, Thoth correctly decodes the string outside the to give: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk where the ;¬) is just a smiley. ITYM 'inside', but the bit at the end isn't compliant. It's the placement of the text outside the - **after** the address - that's the thing. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 24/03/17 10:07, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:27:29 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:43:28 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:11:04 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2017-03-23, John Rumm wrote: On 23/03/2017 17:25, Phil L wrote: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 21/03/2017 20:26, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On 21/03/17 20:03, Chris Bartram wrote: Am I relatively young here, then, at 47? 43 here. I feel like a child. 43? - have you just got off your skateboard? 50 and a half here and still able to out-skateboard/trampoline/dive/run/cycle/insert any physical activity here my 15 year old zombified son. And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= Not here it doesn't... I think that's outlook express being as clueless as usual. slrn is just as clueless, then. Pan is obviously clueless, too. Can't these things decode a quoted-printable encoded word? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Encoded-Word I don't believe his From: header is syntactically correct; it seems to be missing a '(' at the start of the CFWS (he has a ')' at the end, as the =29, and I'm not sure a semicolon belongs there at all. Well, his From: header is of the form: From: Joe Soap rather than: From: (Joe Soap) or From: "Joe Soap" or From: "Joe Soap" It's of the form: From: ;¬) All forms are equally valid, AFAIK. Not sure that is. Here, Thoth correctly decodes the string outside the to give: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk where the ;¬) is just a smiley. ITYM 'inside', but the bit at the end isn't compliant. It's the placement of the text outside the - **after** the address - that's the thing. IIRC the order of the elements doesn't matter. What counts is that the machine readable bit is in or the human readable bit is in " ", (or both). There's an RFC if you like. What isn't guaranteed is the use of UTF8 or indeed anything but pure ASCII *outside* the body of the message. That is the charset is specified in part of the header, and there is no guarantee it will be applied to other than the body. -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed. |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:12:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/17 10:07, Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:27:29 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:43:28 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:11:04 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2017-03-23, John Rumm wrote: On 23/03/2017 17:25, Phil L wrote: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 21/03/2017 20:26, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On 21/03/17 20:03, Chris Bartram wrote: Am I relatively young here, then, at 47? 43 here. I feel like a child. 43? - have you just got off your skateboard? 50 and a half here and still able to out-skateboard/trampoline/dive/run/cycle/insert any physical activity here my 15 year old zombified son. And yet your name in the newsgroup still appears as: ;=c2=ac=29?= Not here it doesn't... I think that's outlook express being as clueless as usual. slrn is just as clueless, then. Pan is obviously clueless, too. Can't these things decode a quoted-printable encoded word? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Encoded-Word I don't believe his From: header is syntactically correct; it seems to be missing a '(' at the start of the CFWS (he has a ')' at the end, as the =29, and I'm not sure a semicolon belongs there at all. Well, his From: header is of the form: From: Joe Soap rather than: From: (Joe Soap) or From: "Joe Soap" or From: "Joe Soap" It's of the form: From: ;¬) All forms are equally valid, AFAIK. Not sure that is. Here, Thoth correctly decodes the string outside the to give: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk where the ;¬) is just a smiley. ITYM 'inside', but the bit at the end isn't compliant. It's the placement of the text outside the - **after** the address - that's the thing. IIRC the order of the elements doesn't matter. What counts is that the machine readable bit is in or the human readable bit is in " ", (or both). There's an RFC if you like. I know. What isn't guaranteed is the use of UTF8 or indeed anything but pure ASCII *outside* the body of the message. Not quite. Some header components are permitted to used 'quuoted- string' (the ?= syntax); for example Subject: Interestingly, the actual email address is allowed to be a quoted-string (but only if there are special characters in it), BUT ONLY in the part to the left of '@'. So the gymratz address is non-compliant as it doesn';t stop quoting until after the domain part. That is the charset is specified in part of the header, and there is no guarantee it will be applied to other than the body. Well, it's allowed. The charset for quoted strings is actually specified as part of the quoting syntax, so it can apply in that part of the header. Executive summary: the gymratz address is non-compliant because it: 1) uses quoting on a part of the email address (local part, to the left of the '@') that doesn't need quoting (RFC 5322) 2) uses quoting on a part of the email address where it isn't permitted at all (domain part, to the right of the '@') (RFC 5322) 3) [arguably] has unbalanced parentheses in a comment part -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:00:34 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
Here is the entire From: line as Thoth presents it to me: From: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) However, the raw header is: From: ;=c2=ac=29?= I suspect the unbalanced parenthese are non-compliant. (which may seem to be two lines but is in fact one). Thus, the email address portion enclosed in is: pment and the comment or name portion is: Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) So, no, I mean 'outside the ', not 'inside'. That his email addy is junk is not a problem as he uses a Reply-To: header (with another junk email address). Yes - I was wrong in the earlier response to TNP. I was looking at RFC2822 last night but was too tired to take much of it in. RFC 5322 these days. Are we talking about a mail item or a news item? Does Usenet follow the same RFCs as for email? (I don't know, myself). RFC 5322 applies to both, where the headers are relevant. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 3:14:16 PM UTC, critcher wrote:
Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. I'm 39. Philip |
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wrote in message ... On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 3:14:16 PM UTC, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. I'm 39. Bloody hell. Go to your room, boy. |
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On 27/03/2017 10:26, jim wrote:
Tim Streater Wrote in message: In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: newshound explained : On 3/21/2017 3:14 PM, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. And a fair number of cranky attitudes too. Usenet does not have the traffic it once did; my suspicion is that the younger element congregate to what might be perceived as the slightly more social environment of the web based bulletin boards, plus of course the social media. I didn't discover Usenet until the early 2000's, I had heard of it, but just couldn't work out how to get to actually make use of it. I had used email and some home Internet via Free something-or-other for many years. Now I have a raft of devices all making use of my broadband, but I am always left wondering if I might be missing out on something, like I missed out on Usenet for many years. One thing I really ought to do, is get my head around setting up an email server, rather than the mess I have at present of each system grabbing mail from my accounts when its turned on. Sounds like each device you have is configured to delete mail from server once downloaded. Shurely only the first to poll would get the email then? Which isn't what's happening... You can set pop3 devices to leave a copy of mail of the server for a period of days - that way as long as ll the devices poll the account at least once in time, and all have similar leave settings configured, they should play nice for received email. (Does not help with sent mail though). -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Tim Streater Wrote in message:
In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: newshound explained : On 3/21/2017 3:14 PM, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. And a fair number of cranky attitudes too. Usenet does not have the traffic it once did; my suspicion is that the younger element congregate to what might be perceived as the slightly more social environment of the web based bulletin boards, plus of course the social media. I didn't discover Usenet until the early 2000's, I had heard of it, but just couldn't work out how to get to actually make use of it. I had used email and some home Internet via Free something-or-other for many years. Now I have a raft of devices all making use of my broadband, but I am always left wondering if I might be missing out on something, like I missed out on Usenet for many years. One thing I really ought to do, is get my head around setting up an email server, rather than the mess I have at present of each system grabbing mail from my accounts when its turned on. Sounds like each device you have is configured to delete mail from server once downloaded. Shurely only the first to poll would get the email then? Which isn't what's happening... -- Jim K |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
newshound explained : On 3/21/2017 3:14 PM, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. And a fair number of cranky attitudes too. Usenet does not have the traffic it once did; my suspicion is that the younger element congregate to what might be perceived as the slightly more social environment of the web based bulletin boards, plus of course the social media. I didn't discover Usenet until the early 2000's, I had heard of it, but just couldn't work out how to get to actually make use of it. I had used email and some home Internet via Free something-or-other for many years. Now I have a raft of devices all making use of my broadband, but I am always left wondering if I might be missing out on something, like I missed out on Usenet for many years. One thing I really ought to do, is get my head around setting up an email server, rather than the mess I have at present of each system grabbing mail from my accounts when its turned on. In what way is it a mess? Do you mean that whichever device is turned on first downloads your emails and deletes them from the server? "Delete from server" is a user configurable setting in your email programs if you're using POP access. Using IMAP for email saves a lot of aggro if you're using multiple devices. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 21/03/2017 22:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mm. I must have been around 50 when I ended up here, but my usenet presence in other nyms predates the UK internet. I think my first post was 1985 or thereabouts Golly. 32 years of Usenet... I can remember when VAX/VMS brought out a new feature that allowed a record to be locked to stop multiple updaters. V1.6 I think. |
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:58:29 +0100, Andrew wrote:
On 21/03/2017 22:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Mm. I must have been around 50 when I ended up here, but my usenet presence in other nyms predates the UK internet. I think my first post was 1985 or thereabouts Golly. 32 years of Usenet... I can remember when VAX/VMS brought out a new feature that allowed a record to be locked to stop multiple updaters. V1.6 I think. I can remember when the PDP-8 got a disk operating system. So there. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 27/03/2017 19:11, ARW wrote:
On 24/03/2017 15:46, wrote: On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 3:14:16 PM UTC, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. I'm 39. So is Homer Simpson! Now if you asked me how old I was I would say 46. However if you asked my Mother how old I was I am sure she would say 47 in October or some other ******** - It's something Mothers never stop doing. But you are in your 47th year... -- Max Demian |
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:31:53 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/03/2017 19:11, ARW wrote: On 24/03/2017 15:46, wrote: On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 3:14:16 PM UTC, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. I'm 39. So is Homer Simpson! Now if you asked me how old I was I would say 46. However if you asked my Mother how old I was I am sure she would say 47 in October or some other ******** - It's something Mothers never stop doing. But you are in your 47th year... Plus, added to that fact, it's "A Habit Born Out Of Hope", that mothers in general cultivate[1], that her child (yourself in this instance) will survive to enjoy the forthcoming birthday celebrations at the end of said year. It's a little bit unfair to be so dismissive of your mother's pious hope for your survival to your next birthday as to be a matter of "Just some other ********". [1] Mothers carry a heavy burden of responsibility in the rearing of their offspring to a stage of independent adulthood. A premature, infant or juvenile death, would be regarded by most mothers faced with such tragedy as some sort of failing on their part no matter how little they could have done to prevent such a tragedy in the first place. It's only human nature to feel some sense of guilt in such circumstances, even in cases entirely beyond the limits of the best of parental protection. Parents, mothers particularly, will be protective of their infant offspring so it should come as no surprise that a mother will develop a mindset that regards age as a half filled glass rather than as a half emptied one, hence the tendency to expressions such as "He'll be 47 this October" when it comes to the question of the age of any of their offspring. :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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On 29/03/2017 14:33, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:31:53 +0100, Max Demian wrote: On 27/03/2017 19:11, ARW wrote: On 24/03/2017 15:46, wrote: On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 3:14:16 PM UTC, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. I'm 39. So is Homer Simpson! Now if you asked me how old I was I would say 46. However if you asked my Mother how old I was I am sure she would say 47 in October or some other ******** - It's something Mothers never stop doing. But you are in your 47th year... Plus, added to that fact, it's "A Habit Born Out Of Hope", that mothers in general cultivate[1], that her child (yourself in this instance) will survive to enjoy the forthcoming birthday celebrations at the end of said year. It's a little bit unfair to be so dismissive of your mother's pious hope for your survival to your next birthday as to be a matter of "Just some other ********". Its a trait that people seem to apply to themselves when over a "certain age" (which is slightly woolly in its definition but is typically 75+). Ask a question "how old are you?" and you will be told how old they will be next birthday. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 15:07:47 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
On 29/03/2017 14:33, Johnny B Good wrote: On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:31:53 +0100, Max Demian wrote: On 27/03/2017 19:11, ARW wrote: On 24/03/2017 15:46, wrote: On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 3:14:16 PM UTC, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. I'm 39. So is Homer Simpson! Now if you asked me how old I was I would say 46. However if you asked my Mother how old I was I am sure she would say 47 in October or some other ******** - It's something Mothers never stop doing. But you are in your 47th year... Plus, added to that fact, it's "A Habit Born Out Of Hope", that mothers in general cultivate[1], that her child (yourself in this instance) will survive to enjoy the forthcoming birthday celebrations at the end of said year. It's a little bit unfair to be so dismissive of your mother's pious hope for your survival to your next birthday as to be a matter of "Just some other ********". Its a trait that people seem to apply to themselves when over a "certain age" (which is slightly woolly in its definition but is typically 75+). Ask a question "how old are you?" and you will be told how old they will be next birthday. Our attitude to forthcoming birthdays keeps changing as we get older. Initially, it's one of impatience to reach the early milestones of maturity such as 5, 13, 18 and 20 or 21. Thereafter, we're old enough to see the next milestones, 30th and successive decadal birthdays more as reminders of our own mortality and impending demise. Eventually, once we've come to accept the inevitability of our mortality, typically from age 50 onwards to, as you posited, 75+, our next birthday becomes more and more a matter of 'defiance', hence the response to that question tending to be couched once again in terms of our age at next birthday. -- Johnny B Good |
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On 29/03/2017 14:33, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:31:53 +0100, Max Demian wrote: On 27/03/2017 19:11, ARW wrote: Now if you asked me how old I was I would say 46. However if you asked my Mother how old I was I am sure she would say 47 in October or some other ******** - It's something Mothers never stop doing. But you are in your 47th year... Plus, added to that fact, it's "A Habit Born Out Of Hope", that mothers in general cultivate[1], that her child (yourself in this instance) will survive to enjoy the forthcoming birthday celebrations at the end of said year. It's a little bit unfair to be so dismissive of your mother's pious hope for your survival to your next birthday as to be a matter of "Just some other ********". [1] Mothers carry a heavy burden of responsibility in the rearing of their offspring to a stage of independent adulthood. A premature, infant or juvenile death, would be regarded by most mothers faced with such tragedy as some sort of failing on their part no matter how little they could have done to prevent such a tragedy in the first place. It's only human nature to feel some sense of guilt in such circumstances, even in cases entirely beyond the limits of the best of parental protection. Parents, mothers particularly, will be protective of their infant offspring so it should come as no surprise that a mother will develop a mindset that regards age as a half filled glass rather than as a half emptied one, hence the tendency to expressions such as "He'll be 47 this October" when it comes to the question of the age of any of their offspring. :-) A newborn baby isn't said to be one year old on his next birthday. Babies' ages are quoted in days, weeks or months, even when they are nearly two. -- Max Demian |
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On 29/03/2017 19:50, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/03/2017 14:33, Johnny B Good wrote: On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:31:53 +0100, Max Demian wrote: On 27/03/2017 19:11, ARW wrote: Now if you asked me how old I was I would say 46. However if you asked my Mother how old I was I am sure she would say 47 in October or some other ******** - It's something Mothers never stop doing. But you are in your 47th year... Plus, added to that fact, it's "A Habit Born Out Of Hope", that mothers in general cultivate[1], that her child (yourself in this instance) will survive to enjoy the forthcoming birthday celebrations at the end of said year. It's a little bit unfair to be so dismissive of your mother's pious hope for your survival to your next birthday as to be a matter of "Just some other ********". [1] Mothers carry a heavy burden of responsibility in the rearing of their offspring to a stage of independent adulthood. A premature, infant or juvenile death, would be regarded by most mothers faced with such tragedy as some sort of failing on their part no matter how little they could have done to prevent such a tragedy in the first place. It's only human nature to feel some sense of guilt in such circumstances, even in cases entirely beyond the limits of the best of parental protection. Parents, mothers particularly, will be protective of their infant offspring so it should come as no surprise that a mother will develop a mindset that regards age as a half filled glass rather than as a half emptied one, hence the tendency to expressions such as "He'll be 47 this October" when it comes to the question of the age of any of their offspring. :-) A newborn baby isn't said to be one year old on his next birthday. Babies' ages are quoted in days, weeks or months, even when they are nearly two. Only by mothers:-) -- Adam |
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On 29/03/2017 14:33, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:31:53 +0100, Max Demian wrote: On 27/03/2017 19:11, ARW wrote: On 24/03/2017 15:46, wrote: On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 3:14:16 PM UTC, critcher wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that most of the posters and readers on this ng are of a mature age. i.e. 55 - 80 yrs. It is difficult to guess age from a posting, but from the info given out, there seems to be an abundance of wisdom here. I'm 39. So is Homer Simpson! Now if you asked me how old I was I would say 46. However if you asked my Mother how old I was I am sure she would say 47 in October or some other ******** - It's something Mothers never stop doing. But you are in your 47th year... Plus, added to that fact, it's "A Habit Born Out Of Hope", that mothers in general cultivate[1], that her child (yourself in this instance) will survive to enjoy the forthcoming birthday celebrations at the end of said year. It's a little bit unfair to be so dismissive of your mother's pious hope for your survival to your next birthday as to be a matter of "Just some other ********". [1] Mothers carry a heavy burden of responsibility in the rearing of their offspring to a stage of independent adulthood. A premature, infant or juvenile death, would be regarded by most mothers faced with such tragedy as some sort of failing on their part no matter how little they could have done to prevent such a tragedy in the first place. It's only human nature to feel some sense of guilt in such circumstances, even in cases entirely beyond the limits of the best of parental protection. Parents, mothers particularly, will be protective of their infant offspring so it should come as no surprise that a mother will develop a mindset that regards age as a half filled glass rather than as a half emptied one, hence the tendency to expressions such as "He'll be 47 this October" when it comes to the question of the age of any of their offspring. :-) It's a wonder that I have not given my Mother a heart attack considering some of the things I have done. -- Adam |
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On 29/03/17 18:36, Johnny B Good wrote:
Its a trait that people seem to apply to themselves when over a "certain age" (which is slightly woolly in its definition but is typically 75+). Ask a question "how old are you?" and you will be told how old they will be next birthday. Our attitude to forthcoming birthdays keeps changing as we get older. Initially, it's one of impatience to reach the early milestones of maturity such as 5, 13, 18 and 20 or 21. Thereafter, we're old enough to see the next milestones, 30th and successive decadal birthdays more as reminders of our own mortality and impending demise. Yes, though I would say that from 20s to 50ish it more a case of realising "we have left undone those things we ought to have done". Eventually, once we've come to accept the inevitability of our mortality, typically from age 50 onwards to, as you posited, 75+, our next birthday becomes more and more a matter of 'defiance', hence the response to that question tending to be couched once again in terms of our age at next birthday. -- djc (–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿) No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree. |
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