The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old
with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the
back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I buy one
I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan forward by
several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.

Pondering about efficacy of flushing, surely a high level cistern
imparts more kinetic energy to the water than a low level one?

AJH

On 17/03/17 10:55, wrote:
The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old
with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the
back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I buy one
I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan forward by
several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.

yes....that seems to be where its at

In your case I would be tempted to use a 90 degree bend from a trad pan,
and then build a false wall - you could have a concealed cistern behind
it - to make the new pan location look more natural


Pondering about efficacy of flushing, surely a high level cistern
imparts more kinetic energy to the water than a low level one?

It does, but its not always clear that's the best way to float turds away.



AJH



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The Natural Philosopher writes:
On 17/03/17 10:55, wrote:
The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old
with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the
back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I buy one
I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan forward by
several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.

yes....that seems to be where its at

In your case I would be tempted to use a 90 degree bend from a trad pan,
and then build a false wall - you could have a concealed cistern behind
it - to make the new pan location look more natural

You can get a P-shaped pan coupler, e.g.
https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/McAl...110mm/p/819193

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On Friday, 17 March 2017 10:55:55 UTC, wrote:
The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old
with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the
back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I buy one
I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan forward by
several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.

Pondering about efficacy of flushing, surely a high level cistern
imparts more kinetic energy to the water than a low level one?

AJH

We used a laufen pan like this:
https://www.qssupplies.co.uk/bathroo...taps/82106.htm

It extends a bit at the back to allow space for a 90 degree bend. Our pipe in the floor was put very close to the wall on purpose to facilitate this.
Simon.

You can get a P-shaped pan coupler, e.g.
https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/McAl...ee-Pan-Connect
or-110mm/p/819193


+1

On 17/03/17 13:10, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
On 17/03/17 10:55, wrote:
The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old
with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the
back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I buy one
I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan forward by
several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.

yes....that seems to be where its at

In your case I would be tempted to use a 90 degree bend from a trad pan,
and then build a false wall - you could have a concealed cistern behind
it - to make the new pan location look more natural

You can get a P-shaped pan coupler, e.g.
https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/McAl...110mm/p/819193

now that I hadn't seen before...


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news
On 17/03/17 13:10, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
On 17/03/17 10:55, wrote:
The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the
pan of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is
old with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from
the back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I
buy one I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan
forward by several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom
outlet requires 210mm from wall to centre.

yes....that seems to be where its at

In your case I would be tempted to use a 90 degree bend from a trad
pan, and then build a false wall - you could have a concealed
cistern behind it - to make the new pan location look more natural

You can get a P-shaped pan coupler, e.g.
https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/McAl...90-Degree-Pan-
Connec
tor-110mm/p/819193

now that I hadn't seen before...



I used one - - it works fine. I ended up having a single thickness of
plasterboard behind the cistern as a spacer as I couldn't quite get it
all the way back. I tink part of the WC was hitting against the slightly
proud dran pipe - but it was near enough. Good luck - I hope you get one
and that it works as well for you as it did for me.

You can get a P-shaped pan coupler, e.g.
https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/McAl...ree-Pan-Connec
tor-110mm/p/819193

now that I hadn't seen before...



Worth looking a the range:

http://www.plumbcenter.co.uk/product...eg-spacesaver-
connector/

Sorry - meant this link:

http://mcalpineplumbing.com/wc-conne...-wc-connectors

Depends on pipe sizes and siphon type.
Brian

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The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old
with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the
back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I buy one
I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan forward by
several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.

Pondering about efficacy of flushing, surely a high level cistern
imparts more kinetic energy to the water than a low level one?

AJH

On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:55:53 +0000, news wrote:

The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old with
a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the back
wall. ...
The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.


Go to a decent plumbers merchants who will be able to source a direct
replacement - they are available, but not from B&Q etc.

On 17/03/17 19:32, Alan wrote:
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:55:53 +0000, news wrote:

The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old with
a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the back
wall. ...
The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.


Go to a decent plumbers merchants who will be able to source a direct
replacement - they are available, but not from B&Q etc.


You've got a lot of faith... I took a ceramic tap cartridge into 3 or 4
plumbers merchants (including the one remaining "trade only, the public
can **** off" places).

After some arse scratching, none of them could match it...

It'd be amazed if they could match a bog for port spacings. In fact
you'd probably be better off in B&Q going around with a tape measure on
their display...

On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:32:24 -0500, Alan wrote:

On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:55:53 +0000, news wrote:



Go to a decent plumbers merchants who will be able to source a direct
replacement - they are available, but not from B&Q etc.

I had already been to the old school one at the end of my road and
they weren't much use.

Thanks for all the replies, I'll just buy a cheap twyford low level
pan and keep the existing cistern.

It will have to sit a little bit forward even with the mcallister P
conversion for the outlet.

Any views on what it should be bedded on prior to screwing to the
floor?

AJH

On 17/03/17 21:13, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:32:24 -0500, Alan wrote:

On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:55:53 +0000, news wrote:



Go to a decent plumbers merchants who will be able to source a direct
replacement - they are available, but not from B&Q etc.

I had already been to the old school one at the end of my road and
they weren't much use.

Thanks for all the replies, I'll just buy a cheap twyford low level
pan and keep the existing cistern.

It will have to sit a little bit forward even with the mcallister P
conversion for the outlet.

Any views on what it should be bedded on prior to screwing to the
floor?


three matchstick spacers and some silicone. Don't bother to screw it



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On Friday, 17 March 2017 10:55:55 UTC, wrote:
The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old
with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the
back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I buy one
I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan forward by
several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.

Pondering about efficacy of flushing, surely a high level cistern
imparts more kinetic energy to the water than a low level one?

AJH

Use a none close coupled WC pan and tank.

On 17/03/2017 10:55, wrote:
The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old
with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the
back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I buy one
I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan forward by
several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.

Pondering about efficacy of flushing, surely a high level cistern
imparts more kinetic energy to the water than a low level one?

AJH

When we cracked our washbasin some years ago, we already had a crack in
the toilet. We figured that we'd have to have a full new suite and that
it would be worth claiming on our insurance for that. However the
insurance company knew of a company that specialised in out of
production items and managed to source a new pan and basin, which was a
lot less bother. It may be worth trying to find such a company.

Following on from that, they'd said we'd have to pay two excesses of £50
each as the damage was caused on two separate occassions. They were
going to arrange for a plumber, but I said that I'd fit them myself.
They then said they would pay me, but only at minimum wage. I said not
to bother and I presume that the person dealing with it decided to help
us out, because neither excess was ever charged.

SteveW

On 17/03/2017 13:10, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
On 17/03/17 10:55, wrote:
The wiki faq doesn't seem to have any guidance: I have cracked the pan
of a low level wc in a cloakroom and need to replace it. It is old
with a bottom exit to the sewer which is only 150mm centre from the
back wall. Most modern pans seem to be horizontal exit so if I buy one
I will need a 90 degree bend and this means moving the pan forward by
several inches, or is there another solution?

The only close coupled wc and cistern I have seen with a bottom outlet
requires 210mm from wall to centre.

yes....that seems to be where its at

In your case I would be tempted to use a 90 degree bend from a trad pan,
and then build a false wall - you could have a concealed cistern behind
it - to make the new pan location look more natural

You can get a P-shaped pan coupler, e.g.
https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/McAl...110mm/p/819193

Twyfords still do an S-trap pan for about £65

There used to be an architectural scrap yard in worthing
that bought up old, used coloured bathroom suites
and sold them on to people who were desparate for a
colour match.