A bookcase followed by a large sideboard.

The bookcase didn't take too long, assembly was fairly obvious, but had
an extra panel, just a narrow strip of ply, not mentioned in the
instructions. I guess who ever packed it couldn't bothered to dispose
of it and thought it easier to include it in the package.

The sideboard was rated at a 1 hour job. In fact it took 6 hours and
all the bits were not fully resolved until near midnight. The
instruction were just the pictogram style, no words to help and it was
enormously complex internal frame work, for 5 drawers and 2 cupboards.
Lots of bits of wood all different sizes and no way to tell one piece
from another, except by guess work. All the parts were given numbers on
the drawing, but no numbers on the bits of wood at all. What would it
have cost, to just have sticky labels with numbers on, on each of the
sections?

I eventually got to the end, after several attempts and much pulling
apart and reassembling the correct way - then there was a length of
nylon strap left over, with no obvious place where it was needed. It
was shown on the pictogram, but gave no clear indication of where it
was intended to go or its actual purpose. I looked at several flat pack
assembly videos on Youtube, before eventually spotting one which showed
the assembly of a wardrobe. That had such a strap between the top of
the wardrobe and fixed to the wall, to prevent it falling over.

I really couldn't see this low and deep sideboard managing to fall over
no matter what, so I have not bothered to fit it.

SWMBO had ordered both without even mentioning it to me, or discussing
it, she just said there would be two big parcels arriving. I was always
totally against such flat pack furniture, seeing it as cheap looking,
made from fibre board and lacking any style, but these look really -
not too bad at all if you like the rugged look.

On 11/03/17 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

I eventually got to the end, after several attempts and much pulling
apart and reassembling the correct way - then there was a length of
nylon strap left over, with no obvious place where it was needed. It was
shown on the pictogram, but gave no clear indication of where it was
intended to go or its actual purpose. I looked at several flat pack
assembly videos on Youtube, before eventually spotting one which showed
the assembly of a wardrobe. That had such a strap between the top of the
wardrobe and fixed to the wall, to prevent it falling over.

I really couldn't see this low and deep sideboard managing to fall over
no matter what, so I have not bothered to fit it.


Kids have been killed ... The function and instructions for the
installation of this should perhaps be made a little more obvious.

If the laden top drawer is extended fully outwards, does it tip forward?

In your case, your assessment of the situation might suffice. Just
check, no climbing kids in the house?

--
Adrian C

Odd bits of wood are often packed in flat pack boxes to pad out empty spaces in the box to avoid parts of boxes crushing when stacked up in the warehouse other times they are inserted as protectors to prevent delicate features being damaged.

As for pictogram assembly instructions, welcome to IKEA land

Richard

Kids have been killed ... The function and instructions for the
installation of this should perhaps be made a little more obvious.

If the laden top drawer is extended fully outwards, does it tip forward?

In your case, your assessment of the situation might suffice. Just
check, no climbing kids in the house?


I wonder how well a fixing into plasterboard would resist the interia of a
falling piece of furniture and child?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:50:58 +0000, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

SWMBO had ordered both without even mentioning it to me, or discussing
it,
she just said there would be two big parcels arriving. I was always
totally against such flat pack furniture, seeing it as cheap looking,
made from fibre board and lacking any style, but these look really - not
too bad at all if you like the rugged look.

We wanted a load of furniture very quickly, and found the Corona Pine
stuff acceptable in appearance, good value, and easy to assemble.

--
My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub
wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message.
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
*lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor

On Saturday, 11 March 2017 09:50:59 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
A bookcase followed by a large sideboard.

The bookcase didn't take too long, assembly was fairly obvious, but had
an extra panel, just a narrow strip of ply, not mentioned in the
instructions. I guess who ever packed it couldn't bothered to dispose
of it and thought it easier to include it in the package.

The sideboard was rated at a 1 hour job. In fact it took 6 hours and
all the bits were not fully resolved until near midnight. The
instruction were just the pictogram style, no words to help and it was
enormously complex internal frame work, for 5 drawers and 2 cupboards.
Lots of bits of wood all different sizes and no way to tell one piece
from another, except by guess work. All the parts were given numbers on
the drawing, but no numbers on the bits of wood at all. What would it
have cost, to just have sticky labels with numbers on, on each of the
sections?

If the pictograms had dimensions on of these pieces, Bob would be your uncle.

I eventually got to the end, after several attempts and much pulling
apart and reassembling the correct way - then there was a length of
nylon strap left over, with no obvious place where it was needed. It
was shown on the pictogram, but gave no clear indication of where it
was intended to go or its actual purpose. I looked at several flat pack
assembly videos on Youtube, before eventually spotting one which showed
the assembly of a wardrobe. That had such a strap between the top of
the wardrobe and fixed to the wall, to prevent it falling over.

I really couldn't see this low and deep sideboard managing to fall over
no matter what, so I have not bothered to fit it.

SWMBO had ordered both without even mentioning it to me, or discussing
it, she just said there would be two big parcels arriving. I was always
totally against such flat pack furniture, seeing it as cheap looking,
made from fibre board and lacking any style, but these look really -
not too bad at all if you like the rugged look.

If needing generic furniture in a hurry one can often find better & cheaper at a local charity furniture place, though certainly not always.


NT

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
A bookcase followed by a large sideboard.

The bookcase didn't take too long, assembly was fairly obvious, but had
an extra panel, just a narrow strip of ply, not mentioned in the
instructions. I guess who ever packed it couldn't bothered to dispose
of it and thought it easier to include it in the package.

The sideboard was rated at a 1 hour job. In fact it took 6 hours and
all the bits were not fully resolved until near midnight. The
instruction were just the pictogram style, no words to help and it was
enormously complex internal frame work, for 5 drawers and 2 cupboards.
Lots of bits of wood all different sizes and no way to tell one piece
from another, except by guess work. All the parts were given numbers on
the drawing, but no numbers on the bits of wood at all. What would it
have cost, to just have sticky labels with numbers on, on each of the
sections?

I eventually got to the end, after several attempts and much pulling
apart and reassembling the correct way - then there was a length of
nylon strap left over, with no obvious place where it was needed. It
was shown on the pictogram, but gave no clear indication of where it
was intended to go or its actual purpose. I looked at several flat pack
assembly videos on Youtube, before eventually spotting one which showed
the assembly of a wardrobe. That had such a strap between the top of
the wardrobe and fixed to the wall, to prevent it falling over.

I really couldn't see this low and deep sideboard managing to fall over
no matter what, so I have not bothered to fit it.

if you have small children visiting it might be necessary. I certianly
fitted a similar securing device when assembling a simialar pice of
furniture for grandson's bedroom.

SWMBO had ordered both without even mentioning it to me, or discussing
it, she just said there would be two big parcels arriving. I was always
totally against such flat pack furniture, seeing it as cheap looking,
made from fibre board and lacking any style, but these look really -
not too bad at all if you like the rugged look.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article 2, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Kids have been killed ... The function and instructions for the
installation of this should perhaps be made a little more obvious.

If the laden top drawer is extended fully outwards, does it tip forward?

In your case, your assessment of the situation might suffice. Just
check, no climbing kids in the house?


I wonder how well a fixing into plasterboard would resist the interia of
a falling piece of furniture and child?

depends on how well you fix it to the plasterboard

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article ,
wrote:
On Saturday, 11 March 2017 09:50:59 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
A bookcase followed by a large sideboard.

The bookcase didn't take too long, assembly was fairly obvious, but had
an extra panel, just a narrow strip of ply, not mentioned in the
instructions. I guess who ever packed it couldn't bothered to dispose
of it and thought it easier to include it in the package.

The sideboard was rated at a 1 hour job. In fact it took 6 hours and
all the bits were not fully resolved until near midnight. The
instruction were just the pictogram style, no words to help and it was
enormously complex internal frame work, for 5 drawers and 2 cupboards.
Lots of bits of wood all different sizes and no way to tell one piece
from another, except by guess work. All the parts were given numbers on
the drawing, but no numbers on the bits of wood at all. What would it
have cost, to just have sticky labels with numbers on, on each of the
sections?

If the pictograms had dimensions on of these pieces, Bob would be your
uncle.

I eventually got to the end, after several attempts and much pulling
apart and reassembling the correct way - then there was a length of
nylon strap left over, with no obvious place where it was needed. It
was shown on the pictogram, but gave no clear indication of where it
was intended to go or its actual purpose. I looked at several flat pack
assembly videos on Youtube, before eventually spotting one which
showed the assembly of a wardrobe. That had such a strap between the
top of the wardrobe and fixed to the wall, to prevent it falling over.

I really couldn't see this low and deep sideboard managing to fall over
no matter what, so I have not bothered to fit it.

SWMBO had ordered both without even mentioning it to me, or discussing
it, she just said there would be two big parcels arriving. I was always
totally against such flat pack furniture, seeing it as cheap looking,
made from fibre board and lacking any style, but these look really -
not too bad at all if you like the rugged look.

If needing generic furniture in a hurry one can often find better &
cheaper at a local charity furniture place, though certainly not always.

and then you have to get it home ;-(

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On 11/03/2017 10:27, DerbyBorn wrote:


Kids have been killed ... The function and instructions for the
installation of this should perhaps be made a little more obvious.

If the laden top drawer is extended fully outwards, does it tip forward?

In your case, your assessment of the situation might suffice. Just
check, no climbing kids in the house?


I wonder how well a fixing into plasterboard would resist the interia of a
falling piece of furniture and child?


If it's a 6 foot high bookcase, say, the strap is fixed at the top and
has a leverage advantage of around 10:1, allowing for a child hanging
around 6 inches in front of the book case. There shouldn't be a lot of
slack in the strap, so inertia isn't really a big issue.

Yes, well, I really do feel that they should bring in a test team to try to
put them together before unleashing them on an unsuspecting public.
Ironically a cd rack I bought was labelled but since I could not read the
numbers I had to guess anyway. Luckily the styling dictated that the
narrower shelves were at the top or they would stick out.
Brian

--
----- -
This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
The Sofa of Brian Gaff...

Blind user, so no pictures please!
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
A bookcase followed by a large sideboard.

The bookcase didn't take too long, assembly was fairly obvious, but had an
extra panel, just a narrow strip of ply, not mentioned in the
instructions. I guess who ever packed it couldn't bothered to dispose of
it and thought it easier to include it in the package.

The sideboard was rated at a 1 hour job. In fact it took 6 hours and all
the bits were not fully resolved until near midnight. The instruction were
just the pictogram style, no words to help and it was enormously complex
internal frame work, for 5 drawers and 2 cupboards. Lots of bits of wood
all different sizes and no way to tell one piece from another, except by
guess work. All the parts were given numbers on the drawing, but no
numbers on the bits of wood at all. What would it have cost, to just have
sticky labels with numbers on, on each of the sections?

I eventually got to the end, after several attempts and much pulling apart
and reassembling the correct way - then there was a length of nylon strap
left over, with no obvious place where it was needed. It was shown on the
pictogram, but gave no clear indication of where it was intended to go or
its actual purpose. I looked at several flat pack assembly videos on
Youtube, before eventually spotting one which showed the assembly of a
wardrobe. That had such a strap between the top of the wardrobe and fixed
to the wall, to prevent it falling over.

I really couldn't see this low and deep sideboard managing to fall over no
matter what, so I have not bothered to fit it.

SWMBO had ordered both without even mentioning it to me, or discussing it,
she just said there would be two big parcels arriving. I was always
totally against such flat pack furniture, seeing it as cheap looking, made
from fibre board and lacking any style, but these look really - not too
bad at all if you like the rugged look.

On Saturday, 11 March 2017 11:19:02 UTC, charles wrote:
If needing generic furniture in a hurry one can often find better &
cheaper at a local charity furniture place, though certainly not always.
and then you have to get it home ;-(

Most of them have delivery arrangements as
(a) their target market of students, unfurnished tenants and poor people generally often don't have cars/vans
(b) they already have vans for picking up donated furniture or stuff from the tip

IME they're happy to carry upstairs but won't refit bits that fell off in the van.

Owain

On Saturday, 11 March 2017 11:28:48 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:

Yes, well, I really do feel that they should bring in a test team to try to
put them together before unleashing them on an unsuspecting public.

I expect they do. The same team every time, who have assembled 120 before. Bzzt.


NT

Ironically a cd rack I bought was labelled but since I could not read the
numbers I had to guess anyway. Luckily the styling dictated that the
narrower shelves were at the top or they would stick out.
Brian

On 11/03/17 12:25, wrote:
On Saturday, 11 March 2017 11:28:48 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:

Yes, well, I really do feel that they should bring in a test team to try to
put them together before unleashing them on an unsuspecting public.

I expect they do. The same team every time, who have assembled 120 before. Bzzt.


Forget cookery, painting, house makeover and dancing shows on TV.

We need a new competition genre,

"Celebrity Flat Pack Faff"

Every week, a D-list team challenge each other to decode an Ikea
assembly manual and assemble on of their items, with points deducted for
inaccuracy, wobbles broken edges etc...

--
Adrian C

On 11/03/2017 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
A bookcase followed by a large sideboard.

The bookcase didn't take too long, assembly was fairly obvious, but had
an extra panel, just a narrow strip of ply, not mentioned in the
instructions. I guess who ever packed it couldn't bothered to dispose of
it and thought it easier to include it in the package.

The sideboard was rated at a 1 hour job. In fact it took 6 hours and all
the bits were not fully resolved until near midnight.

Where are they from? I've always found Argos flat pack to be easy to
assemble, with written instructions as well as pictures.

(Whoever said, "A picture is worth a thousand words," obviously hasn't
tried assembling furniture from one.)

[...]

SWMBO had ordered both without even mentioning it to me, or discussing
it, she just said there would be two big parcels arriving

So assembling furniture is strictly a man's job.

--
Max Demian

On Saturday, 11 March 2017 13:17:12 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
So assembling furniture is strictly a man's job.

Man builds wardrobe.

Woman fills wardrobe.

'tis the natural order of things

Owain

..




I think after 2 or 3 pulls most fixings would fail. Especially if you
factor in the average Ikea cusomer's DIY ability.

On 11/03/2017 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
A bookcase followed by a large sideboard.

The bookcase didn't take too long, assembly was fairly obvious, but had
an extra panel, just a narrow strip of ply, not mentioned in the
instructions. I guess who ever packed it couldn't bothered to dispose of
it and thought it easier to include it in the package.

The sideboard was rated at a 1 hour job. In fact it took 6 hours and all
the bits were not fully resolved until near midnight. The instruction
were just the pictogram style, no words to help and it was enormously
complex internal frame work, for 5 drawers and 2 cupboards. Lots of bits
of wood all different sizes and no way to tell one piece from another,
except by guess work. All the parts were given numbers on the drawing,
but no numbers on the bits of wood at all. What would it have cost, to
just have sticky labels with numbers on, on each of the sections?

I eventually got to the end, after several attempts and much pulling
apart and reassembling the correct way - then there was a length of
nylon strap left over, with no obvious place where it was needed. It was
shown on the pictogram, but gave no clear indication of where it was
intended to go or its actual purpose. I looked at several flat pack
assembly videos on Youtube, before eventually spotting one which showed
the assembly of a wardrobe. That had such a strap between the top of the
wardrobe and fixed to the wall, to prevent it falling over.

I really couldn't see this low and deep sideboard managing to fall over
no matter what, so I have not bothered to fit it.

SWMBO had ordered both without even mentioning it to me, or discussing
it, she just said there would be two big parcels arriving. I was always
totally against such flat pack furniture, seeing it as cheap looking,
made from fibre board and lacking any style, but these look really - not
too bad at all if you like the rugged look.


--
mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

Harry Bloomfield wrote

A bookcase followed by a large sideboard.

The bookcase didn't take too long, assembly was fairly obvious, but had
an extra panel, just a narrow strip of ply, not mentioned in the
instructions. I guess who ever packed it couldn't bothered to dispose
of it and thought it easier to include it in the package.

The sideboard was rated at a 1 hour job. In fact it took 6 hours and
all the bits were not fully resolved until near midnight. The
instruction were just the pictogram style, no words to help and it was
enormously complex internal frame work, for 5 drawers and 2 cupboards.
Lots of bits of wood all different sizes and no way to tell one piece
from another, except by guess work. All the parts were given numbers on
the drawing, but no numbers on the bits of wood at all. What would it
have cost, to just have sticky labels with numbers on, on each of the
sections?

I eventually got to the end, after several attempts and much pulling
apart and reassembling the correct way - then there was a length of
nylon strap left over, with no obvious place where it was needed. It
was shown on the pictogram, but gave no clear indication of where it
was intended to go or its actual purpose. I looked at several flat pack
assembly videos on Youtube, before eventually spotting one which showed
the assembly of a wardrobe. That had such a strap between the top of
the wardrobe and fixed to the wall, to prevent it falling over.

I really couldn't see this low and deep sideboard
managing to fall over no matter what,

Little kids can do that if they pull the
drawers out and climb up on them.

so I have not bothered to fit it.

Fine unless grandkids show up etc and are allowed to rampage.

SWMBO had ordered both without even mentioning it to me, or discussing
it, she just said there would be two big parcels arriving. I was always
totally against such flat pack furniture, seeing it as cheap looking,
made from fibre board and lacking any style, but these look really -
not too bad at all if you like the rugged look.

"Adrian Caspersz" wrote in message
...
On 11/03/17 12:25, wrote:
On Saturday, 11 March 2017 11:28:48 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:

Yes, well, I really do feel that they should bring in a test team to
try to
put them together before unleashing them on an unsuspecting public.

I expect they do. The same team every time, who have assembled 120
before. Bzzt.


Forget cookery, painting, house makeover and dancing shows on TV.

We need a new competition genre,

"Celebrity Flat Pack Faff"

Every week, a D-list team challenge each other to decode an Ikea assembly
manual and assemble on of their items, with points deducted for
inaccuracy, wobbles broken edges etc...

Makes a lot more sense for the flat pack operations to
include a well made video on how to assemble it now.

On 11/03/2017 15:11, DerbyBorn wrote:
.




I think after 2 or 3 pulls most fixings would fail. Especially if you
factor in the average Ikea cusomer's DIY ability.

But the inclusion of the strap transfers the liability from Ikea to the
customer, so their lawyers are happy ;-)

--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

John Rumm wrote in
o.uk:

On 11/03/2017 15:11, DerbyBorn wrote:
.




I think after 2 or 3 pulls most fixings would fail. Especially if you
factor in the average Ikea cusomer's DIY ability.

But the inclusion of the strap transfers the liability from Ikea to the
customer, so their lawyers are happy ;-)


+1 (realised)

used his keyboard to write :
Most of them have delivery arrangements as
(a) their target market of students, unfurnished tenants and poor people
generally often don't have cars/vans
(b) they already have vans for picking up donated furniture or stuff from the
tip

IME they're happy to carry upstairs but won't refit bits that fell off in the
van.

Around here, they insist on charging an extra tenner for delivery and
some of their second hand stuff is more expensive than it can be bought
new.

Adrian Caspersz laid this down on his screen :
Kids have been killed ... The function and instructions for the installation
of this should perhaps be made a little more obvious.

If the laden top drawer is extended fully outwards, does it tip forward?

In your case, your assessment of the situation might suffice. Just check, no
climbing kids in the ho

No climbing kids anymore and it is very heavy, very stable, H to D is
around 1/3 anyway.

Max Demian formulated the question :
Where are they from? I've always found Argos flat pack to be easy to
assemble, with written instructions as well as pictures.

I didn't ask where they came from, I was a bit miffed at her ordering
without consulting first. The sideboard seems to be a Corona one and
several places sell them. Must say it has turned out well though, I
wasn't expecting flat pack to look this good.

The screws and other fixings were marked A to Z, which made that part
easy, just cut the letter out and pour them into a dish, with the
letter - but the wooden parts, oh dear.

wrote :
Man builds wardrobe.

Woman fills wardrobe.

'tis the natural order of things

This wasn't a wardrobe, just a sideboard. I built the built in wardrobe
30+ years ago. It is 2.5m tall and 4m long. It was intended to replace
the two tiny wardrobes in two rooms, that my previous partner had. Did
she kick and scream when I disposed of them, after replacing them with
something 5 times as big. It didn't take her long to fill it though :-)

On Saturday, 11 March 2017 18:34:15 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Around here, they insist on charging an extra tenner for delivery

£5 here, I think.

and some of their second hand stuff is more expensive than it can
be bought new.

sometimes happens with any charity where helpers don't know modern pricing

Owain

On Saturday, 11 March 2017 18:51:30 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Woman fills wardrobe.
'tis the natural order of things
This wasn't a wardrobe, just a sideboard.

That won't stop her.

She'll just put ornaments in it instead of shoes.

Owain

On 11/03/17 13:29, wrote:
On Saturday, 11 March 2017 13:17:12 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
So assembling furniture is strictly a man's job.

Man builds wardrobe.

Woman fills wardrobe.

'tis the natural order of things

Owain


I took a wardrobe (well hall cupboard) and kitted it out with 6-7
shelves. These are now full. So I added 6 shelves on slot rail next to
the cupboard. These are now full.

How TF to the japanese do it?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...3e63c28abd.jpg

on 11/03/2017, Tim Watts supposed :
I took a wardrobe (well hall cupboard) and kitted it out with 6-7 shelves.
These are now full. So I added 6 shelves on slot rail next to the cupboard.
These are now full.

That pretty much sums up my own life too, constantly adding places to
put things. I'm as bad though, keeping anything which might be useful
some day - but I try to restrict myself to my personal spaces like the
garage, workshop and second indoor workshop.

On 11/03/2017 11:16, charles wrote:

and then you have to get it home ;-(


That's why I'm still white van man.

Bill

On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:44:46 +0000, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Max Demian formulated the question :
Where are they from? I've always found Argos flat pack to be easy to
assemble, with written instructions as well as pictures.

I didn't ask where they came from, I was a bit miffed at her ordering
without consulting first. The sideboard seems to be a Corona one and
several places sell them. Must say it has turned out well though, I
wasn't expecting flat pack to look this good.

The screws and other fixings were marked A to Z, which made that part
easy, just cut the letter out and pour them into a dish, with the letter
- but the wooden parts, oh dear.

I didn't have too much trouble with the Corona merchant's chest. That has
NINE drawers!

I agree the parts aren't marked, but you can usually match them up with
the diagram. There are always subtle differences. And I used old Chinese
takeaway containers instead of dishes!



--
My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub
wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message.
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
*lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor

On 11/03/2017 18:09, DerbyBorn wrote:
John Rumm wrote in
o.uk:

On 11/03/2017 15:11, DerbyBorn wrote:
.




I think after 2 or 3 pulls most fixings would fail. Especially if you
factor in the average Ikea cusomer's DIY ability.

But the inclusion of the strap transfers the liability from Ikea to the
customer, so their lawyers are happy ;-)

With no instructions as to how to attach the strap to the sideboard and
wall???



--
Old Codger
e-mail use reply to field

What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make
people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

On 3/11/2017 4:04 PM, Bob Eager wrote:

I agree the parts aren't marked, but you can usually match them up with
the diagram. There are always subtle differences. And I used old Chinese
takeaway containers instead of dishes!

I generally use muffin tins for small parts (as I did as a kid, when
building HeathKits).