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Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money really, not
difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies offering
me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local, which I have
declined.

Decided to check out what they charge the customer.

One company charges £45 for the first hour & £30 an hour afterwards, two
others charges £30 for the first hour, then £45 an hour afterwards +VAT!

That works out at between £250 & £400 for an eight hour day compared to my
£160!

Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?


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I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies offering
me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local, which I have
declined.


Including travelling time?

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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:31:18 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
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Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money really, not
difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies offering
me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local, which I have
declined.

Decided to check out what they charge the customer.

One company charges £45 for the first hour & £30 an hour afterwards, two
others charges £30 for the first hour, then £45 an hour afterwards +VAT!

That works out at between £250 & £400 for an eight hour day compared to my
£160!

Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?


You'd be surprised....

There's a great 'distance' between those that diy - and those who
don't have a clue.

When I started on the local craft markets earlier this year, there
were a number of other sellers who enquired 'Where did you buy
your stand' - and whose eyes widened in amazement when I said 'I made
it - from wood !' (It's nothing fancy - a couple of trestles, folding
table-top from ply, wingnuts & rising butt hinges to hold a couple of
frames up at side & rear.....)

I suppose it depends on what sort of 'life experiences' you've had -
one of my earliest memories is of 'helping' my late Dad to build a
garage & 3-bed b&b extension to out house in Cornwall - I must have
been all of 4 years old. Never had enough money to 'get a man in' - so
done most of my home improvements myself....

However - there seem to be quite a few people for whom screwing a few
bits of wood together is simply something that they don't do..... and
I guess that's where the market for a 'flat-pack assembly technician'
comes in.

Surely there comes a point where it would have been cheaper to buy
whatever it was ready-assembled ??

Funny old world g

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Surely there comes a point where it would have been cheaper to buy
whatever it was ready-assembled ??


It would greatly increase transportation costs - and the furniture
might then fail to fall apart in a timely fashion.

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Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money really, not
difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies offering
me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local, which I have
declined.

Decided to check out what they charge the customer.

One company charges £45 for the first hour & £30 an hour afterwards, two
others charges £30 for the first hour, then £45 an hour afterwards +VAT!

That works out at between £250 & £400 for an eight hour day compared to my
£160!

And you're allowing for the travel etc... on that as well are you?

Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?


I think most people would pay you to build something and expect you to
be there for an hour or 2, which added to the price of the furniture
in the first place would probably still be less than the alternative
which would be commissioning someone to build something built in.
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On 2007-07-25 20:31:18 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money really, not
difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies offering
me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local, which I have
declined.

Decided to check out what they charge the customer.

One company charges £45 for the first hour & £30 an hour afterwards, two
others charges £30 for the first hour, then £45 an hour afterwards +VAT!


They may be *charging* that, but are they actually getting it? In
other words, are they then offering deals or being open to negotiation
(not that most people would think to do that).?



That works out at between £250 & £400 for an eight hour day compared to my
£160!


Is that across a mix of jobs for you though? I would expect that
assembling flat pack jobs are generally quite short (1-2 hrs max) and
then travel to next job so the pricing is to account for that.



Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?


No it's not, which is why it isn't the reason.

Think of the range of jobs that you do. Apart from the projects
like decks which can really be separated into a different category, I
suspect that the reasons people come to you fall into three main
buckets:

- Customer is time poor

- Customer thinks that job is beyond them

- Customer can't get a single-trade person to look at the job


Now think about assembling flat pack and ask your typical customers
whether they would tackle it. I suspect that a fair proportion would.

A single-trade person probably wouldn't be interested unless he were desperate.

So this leaves........ Mr and Mrs Time Poor. I suspect that they
are less price sensitive than the others.

All of which takes us back to a thread from a couple of weeks back
where the question of does one charge what the customer will stand?
For different reasons, IIRC, most people said yes to that.

Perhaps your flat pack asssembly prices could tolerate a little elevation......



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The Medway Handyman wrote:

Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money really, not
difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies offering
me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local, which I have
declined.


If they operate in Leicester, then you can pass my details on - any
inside work would be a bonus for the winter.
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Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?


Why does anyone pay to have something done?
o Can't do it themselves (at all, or well enough).
o Don't have time to do it themselves.
o Cheaper not to (earn more per hour doing something
else than it costs per hour to have someone else do it).

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A.Lee wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money
really, not difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies
offering me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local,
which I have declined.


If they operate in Leicester, then you can pass my details on - any
inside work would be a bonus for the winter.


Sent it direct, can you let me know that it arrived?


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That works out at between £250 & £400 for an eight hour day compared
to my £160!


Is that across a mix of jobs for you though? I would expect that
assembling flat pack jobs are generally quite short (1-2 hrs max) and
then travel to next job so the pricing is to account for that.


Thats my full day rate, shorter jobs are at a higher rate
http://www.medwayhandyman.co.uk/charges.htm

So 1 hour would be £45, 2 hours £75 etc



Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled?
Hardly rocket science is it?


No it's not, which is why it isn't the reason.

Think of the range of jobs that you do. Apart from the projects
like decks which can really be separated into a different category, I
suspect that the reasons people come to you fall into three main
buckets:

- Customer is time poor


Certainly true, the Medway Towns are commuter land for London.

- Customer thinks that job is beyond them


It surprises me that people regard flat pack as difficult. One customer
said he would rather have a tooth extracted without anasthetic than assemble
it. Another said his idea of hell was assembling flatpack for eternity.

- Customer can't get a single-trade person to look at the job

They cant get most of them to return a call :-)

Now think about assembling flat pack and ask your typical customers
whether they would tackle it. I suspect that a fair proportion
would.
A single-trade person probably wouldn't be interested unless he were
desperate.
So this leaves........ Mr and Mrs Time Poor. I suspect that they
are less price sensitive than the others.

All of which takes us back to a thread from a couple of weeks back
where the question of does one charge what the customer will stand?
For different reasons, IIRC, most people said yes to that.

Perhaps your flat pack asssembly prices could tolerate a little
elevation......


I'm thinking my prices in general could tolerate that.


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A.Lee wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money
really, not difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies
offering me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local,
which I have declined.


If they operate in Leicester, then you can pass my details on - any
inside work would be a bonus for the winter.


Sent it direct, can you let me know that it arrived?


Cheers. Got it.
I've just got a deal with a local property management company - I'd
dropped a leaflet in to them a couple of weeks ago, and got a call last
Wednesday.They needed quotes for fitting a new toilet pan in one of
their rented properties, and a new sink in their office.
They were amazed that I had arrived the same day to get the details,
then even more amazed when I said I'd go straight away to see what the
toilet job needed.
They were telling me that they had rung up a number of plumbers, many of
whom had asked for cash upfront to give a quote, another had agreed to
do the job, but had never turned up.
I did the quotes that night, dropped them in Thursday morning, got a
call at 9:15am Thrusday, "yes, do them", so out on Saturday to do the
toilet - 2 hours from leaving to getting back home, including a trip to
screwfix to get a new seat, and then at their office at 9am Monday to do
the sink. They were well pleased.
Now, apparently, they will be ringing me first to price up any jobs.
And for once, I was making decent money - though I have given them
12mths warranty, but I must have still been a lot cheaper than any other
quote.
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One company charges £45 for the first hour & £30 an hour afterwards, two
others charges £30 for the first hour, then £45 an hour afterwards +VAT!

That works out at between £250 & £400 for an eight hour day compared to my
£160!

And you're allowing for the travel etc... on that as well are you?

Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?


I think most people would pay you to build something and expect you to
be there for an hour or 2, which added to the price of the furniture
in the first place would probably still be less than the alternative
which would be commissioning someone to build something built in.


One problem which is bound to occur, is ...

Who pays for your time lost because you can't assemble something because
bits are missing or damaged ?


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A.Lee wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

A.Lee wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money
really, not difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies
offering me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local,
which I have declined.

If they operate in Leicester, then you can pass my details on - any
inside work would be a bonus for the winter.


Sent it direct, can you let me know that it arrived?


Cheers. Got it.
I've just got a deal with a local property management company - I'd
dropped a leaflet in to them a couple of weeks ago, and got a call
last Wednesday.They needed quotes for fitting a new toilet pan in one
of their rented properties, and a new sink in their office.
They were amazed that I had arrived the same day to get the details,
then even more amazed when I said I'd go straight away to see what the
toilet job needed.
They were telling me that they had rung up a number of plumbers, many
of whom had asked for cash upfront to give a quote, another had
agreed to do the job, but had never turned up.
I did the quotes that night, dropped them in Thursday morning, got a
call at 9:15am Thrusday, "yes, do them", so out on Saturday to do the
toilet - 2 hours from leaving to getting back home, including a trip
to screwfix to get a new seat, and then at their office at 9am Monday
to do the sink. They were well pleased.
Now, apparently, they will be ringing me first to price up any jobs.
And for once, I was making decent money - though I have given them
12mths warranty, but I must have still been a lot cheaper than any
other quote.
Alan.


Letting agents can be a good source of work, but of the original 6 I've
worked for I've kicked 4 into touch.

Typical problems; they want everything done yesterday, they keep you waiting
for your money, they expect too much - typical example, luxury flat with a
leaking shower tray. Stripped out silicone, re siliconed. Small area of
plaster damaged by leak, still wet. Noted on invoice that I couldn't fill
it till it dried. Only charged for time on site. Returned 2 weeks later to
fill plaster, charged for half an hour. Invoice queried "shouldn't that
have been included in the original price"?

Can be a good source of work though, just be aware.


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Perhaps your flat pack asssembly prices could tolerate a little
elevation......


I'm thinking my prices in general could tolerate that.


I think so.

Remember that you can always come down on price. Going up is much
harder because then you have to justify it in some way.

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One problem which is bound to occur, is ...

Who pays for your time lost because you can't assemble something
because bits are missing or damaged ?


Only happened once to me actually. Chest of 8 drawers with one drawer front
badly damaged. IKEA replaced the entire unit. I went back & changed the
front & customer was happy to pay.

Very rare IME to find bits missing, they seem to have got very good at that.
I've attracted a fair amount of surplus fittings due to over supply. For
example, in a unit that is available with either hinged or sliding doors
they include the hinges with the sliding option - therefor I gain 16 hinges
which can be used for all sorts of things.


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One problem which is bound to occur, is ...

Who pays for your time lost because you can't assemble something
because bits are missing or damaged ?


Only happened once to me actually. Chest of 8 drawers with one drawer front
badly damaged. IKEA replaced the entire unit. I went back & changed the
front & customer was happy to pay.

Very rare IME to find bits missing, they seem to have got very good at that.
I've attracted a fair amount of surplus fittings due to over supply. For
example, in a unit that is available with either hinged or sliding doors
they include the hinges with the sliding option - therefor I gain 16 hinges
which can be used for all sorts of things.

Well, if that's your experience, OK

I just pointed it out as some (e.g. me) would beg to differ

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Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?


Only if you know you have to read the destructions in the page order
1, 3, 14, 7, 2, 9, 21 etc.
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Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money really, not
difficult at all.



Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled?
Hardly rocket science is it?


Radio 2 was talking about girl guides yesterday afternoon. I only caught
about 1 word in 2 because I was welding up a kitchen range grate, but
seemingly flat pack assembly is now a subject taught to them. Presumably
fire lighting is off the agenda due to the safety Nazis and fear of parents
suing.

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Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money really, not
difficult at all.



Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled?
Hardly rocket science is it?


Radio 2 was talking about girl guides yesterday afternoon. I only caught
about 1 word in 2 because I was welding up a kitchen range grate, but
seemingly flat pack assembly is now a subject taught to them. Presumably
fire lighting is off the agenda due to the safety Nazis and fear of parents
suing.

Julian.


I think it was Radio 4, unless both channels were carrying it. At any
rate, yes you're right, that was the item. I wasn't clear whether
they were actually teaching flat pack assembly or just raised that as
an example of what 21st century Girl Guides are looking to learn to
equip them for life. Practising safe sex was another example. They
didn't get into whether or not there was going to be a badge for
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Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money really, not
difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies
offering me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local, which I
have declined.

Decided to check out what they charge the customer.

One company charges £45 for the first hour & £30 an hour afterwards, two
others charges £30 for the first hour, then £45 an hour afterwards +VAT!

That works out at between £250 & £400 for an eight hour day compared to my
£160!

Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled?
Hardly rocket science is it?


You cost £20 an hour. My time costs £50 an hour, before overheads. I happen
to quite like assembling flat pack furniture, but I don't like gardening, so
guess what I pay to have done.

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Surely there comes a point where it would have been cheaper to buy
whatever it was ready-assembled ??


It would greatly increase transportation costs - and the furniture
might then fail to fall apart in a timely fashion.


Flat pack doesn't fall apart if you put glue in the correct places.
Having said that I bought ready assembled when I did my kitchen as it was no
more expensive than flat pack.


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Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled?
Hardly
rocket science is it?


Only if you know you have to read the destructions in the page order
1, 3, 14, 7, 2, 9, 21 etc.


Instructions? What are they for?


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Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?


Why does anyone pay to have something done?
o Can't do it themselves (at all, or well enough).
o Don't have time to do it themselves.


Or a bit of both, because the job gets faster with experience.

My wife has now decided to *get* the experience with basic hand tools
that she'd missed earlier on in life, so flat-pack assembly has been
taken entirely out of my hands. All I'm allowed to do is provide
consultancy, and then I'm sent away... oh dear, isn't that awful...

She is slow but meticulous, but sure enough she's getting better and
faster, and has now moved on to fitting loo seats as well. (Don't worry,
Dave, we're 400 miles away :-)


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Instructions? What are they for?


As the saying goes - "if all else fails - read the instructions, if
that also fails - follow them."

Usually they are necessary if only to discover why you have three
brackets of an odd shape, 26 screws and a piece of wood with "front"
written on it in your pile of leftovers after is finished.

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Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?


Why does anyone pay to have something done?
o Can't do it themselves (at all, or well enough).
o Don't have time to do it themselves.


Or a bit of both, because the job gets faster with experience.

My wife has now decided to *get* the experience with basic hand tools
that she'd missed earlier on in life, so flat-pack assembly has been
taken entirely out of my hands. All I'm allowed to do is provide
consultancy, and then I'm sent away... oh dear, isn't that awful...


Umm... shouldn't she go and join the girl guides, they seem to have a
new angle on flat pack furniture....


She is slow but meticulous, but sure enough she's getting better and
faster, and has now moved on to fitting loo seats as well. (Don't worry,
Dave, we're 400 miles away :-)



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On 2007-07-26 11:32:22 +0100, Owain said:

Andy Hall wrote:
I think it was Radio 4, unless both channels were carrying it. At any
rate, yes you're right, that was the item. I wasn't clear whether
they were actually teaching flat pack assembly or just raised that as
an example of what 21st century Girl Guides are looking to learn to
equip them for life.


The National Union of Amalgamated Flat-Pack Assemblers would be turning
in their grave...


National Association of Flat-Pack Fixers or NAFF for short......



Practising safe sex was another example. They didn't get into
whether or not there was going to be a badge for this.....


Hopefully not one with a pin.

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I happen
to quite like assembling flat pack furniture, but I don't like gardening, so
guess what I pay to have done.

Colin Bignell


I'm glad I'm not the only one. Our house is fully Ikea'd, and I love
putting together their stuff - its like Lego for Dads.

I know its not hard, but it certainly beats any of the other household
chores that SWMBO might pass my way.

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My wife has now decided to *get* the experience with basic hand tools
that she'd missed earlier on in life, so flat-pack assembly has been
taken entirely out of my hands. All I'm allowed to do is provide
consultancy, and then I'm sent away... oh dear, isn't that awful...


Umm... shouldn't she go and join the girl guides, they seem to have a
new angle on flat pack furniture....


Well, it makes a lot of sense. Let them spit curses at B&Q, IKEA and all
their creations, for a change, while us blokes are pressing dried
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Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?



Why does anyone pay to have something done?
o Can't do it themselves (at all, or well enough).
o Don't have time to do it themselves.
o Cheaper not to (earn more per hour doing something
else than it costs per hour to have someone else do it).


You missed out my usual option, though I do a lot of DIY in the house.

I can't be arsed to get my tools out :-)

The new central heating boiler was one and the second was the new 1 1/2
bathroom improvement. I just sloping shouldered it and left others to do
it. I did my own kitchen about 10 years ago and I remember spending
about half a day working out the waste pipe work under the double sink
and the dishwasher out flow.

The installation of lots of extra sockets, moving the gas hob location
all went to plan and were very easy. As was the rest of the job.

Over the years, I have realized that some jobs do not prove a problem,
but the odd one or two can have some very nasty surprises. Or am I
getting too old for this sort of work?

Probably :-(

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Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled? Hardly
rocket science is it?



Only if you know you have to read the destructions in the page order
1, 3, 14, 7, 2, 9, 21 etc.


That sounds like a video recorder I bought quite a few years ago.

It was two weeks after I bought it, that I could write instructions down
for my wife to program it to record something.

I am a licensed radio amateur and of my two main radios, one is menu
driven and the other has either a switch, button or control knob to
alter the settings. Guess which is the easier to drive?

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Flat pack assembly is a fairly common job for me. Easy money really, not
difficult at all.

I've been approached by a few national flat pack assembly companies
offering me work - at around £22 an hour - and not really local, which I
have declined.

Decided to check out what they charge the customer.

One company charges £45 for the first hour & £30 an hour afterwards, two
others charges £30 for the first hour, then £45 an hour afterwards +VAT!

That works out at between £250 & £400 for an eight hour day compared to my
£160!

Why would anyone pay that sort of money to have flat pack assembled?
Hardly rocket science is it?


If they work in the Leeds area you could pass them on to me
john(at)ledgerj(dot)freeserve(dot)co(dot)uk

Cheers

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If they work in the Leeds area you could pass them on to me
john(at)ledgerj(dot)freeserve(dot)co(dot)uk


http://www.flatpackamigos.co.uk/

http://www.flatpackconstruction.co.uk/

http://www.screwdriver-flatpack.co.uk/

Google for flatpack assembly & you will find loads.


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