I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message news

I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to
print in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

Buy the laser.

Richard wrote:
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
news

I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted
me the best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for
shopping lists, notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor
black text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never
needed to print in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead.
Google is my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

Buy the laser.

Yes.

On 28/02/2017 20:57, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?


I bought a very cheap Ricoh laser printer a while back. An SP100e. I
have found it very troublesome, with lots of misfeeds. It was also, for
some reason, very difficult to install the drivers. Fortunately, it's
running out of toner, after only about 300 pages, so I can throw it away
soon!

The one you spotted on Tesco is £3 cheaper on Amazon, btw.

On 28/02/2017 21:19, GB wrote:
On 28/02/2017 20:57, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me
the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping
lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor
black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to
print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead.
Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263


I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?


I bought a very cheap Ricoh laser printer a while back. An SP100e. I
have found it very troublesome, with lots of misfeeds. It was also, for
some reason, very difficult to install the drivers. Fortunately, it's
running out of toner, after only about 300 pages, so I can throw it away
soon!

The one you spotted on Tesco is £3 cheaper on Amazon, btw.





I would agree laser, but possibly a better secondhand on ebay maybe £40

eg
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-Pr...AOSw~AVYtDB c

On 28/02/17 20:57, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?


I've no experience with Ricoh but as others have questioned it I thought
it worth adding that i've had a few small cheap mono Brothers (HL2xxx)
and they've been OK.

On 2/28/2017 8:57 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?





Certainly would not waste time on the inkjet.

I find it hard to imagine how anyone would do as little printing as you
do. Tesco option sounds pretty low risk given SOGA. I've had a few
second-hand HP laserjets off eBay, they have generally been fine.

These days, duplex printers are cheap and reliable, personally I would
not touch a single sided one for general use.

I have a Brother b&w laser printer which cost around £30 last year and is
perfectly fine for general use. It's a sobering thought that when I bought
my first laser printer it cost me well over a thousand pounds. OK, it was
more substantial and better built than the Brother but even so...

Bert

On 28/02/17 22:49, Bert Coules wrote:
I have a Brother b&w laser printer which cost around £30 last year and
is perfectly fine for general use. It's a sobering thought that when I
bought my first laser printer it cost me well over a thousand pounds.
OK, it was more substantial and better built than the Brother but even
so...

Bert

I got a small HP color laser

Perfect and cheap


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its shoes.

On 28/02/17 22:49, Bert Coules wrote:
I have a Brother b&w laser printer which cost around £30 last year and
is perfectly fine for general use. It's a sobering thought that when I
bought my first laser printer it cost me well over a thousand pounds.
OK, it was more substantial and better built than the Brother but even
so...

A friend is on the point of buying a brother colour laser printer for £99.

http://www.johnlewis.com/brother-hl-...inter/p2481101

I've had a look around and cannot fault this model. By reports it's well
built, cheap to run, only that it's single sided, but ...


--
Adrian C

On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 20:57:58 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

Lasers are massively more reliable. Inkjets hate occasional use.


NT

On 28/02/17 22:59, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 28/02/17 22:49, Bert Coules wrote:
I have a Brother b&w laser printer which cost around £30 last year and
is perfectly fine for general use. It's a sobering thought that when I
bought my first laser printer it cost me well over a thousand pounds.
OK, it was more substantial and better built than the Brother but even
so...

A friend is on the point of buying a brother colour laser printer for £99.

http://www.johnlewis.com/brother-hl-...inter/p2481101


I've had a look around and cannot fault this model. By reports it's well
built, cheap to run, only that it's single sided, but ...


Just spend the money
https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Color-La...dp/B00TON9YK6/


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"Saki"

On 2/28/2017 10:59 PM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 28/02/17 22:49, Bert Coules wrote:
I have a Brother b&w laser printer which cost around £30 last year and
is perfectly fine for general use. It's a sobering thought that when I
bought my first laser printer it cost me well over a thousand pounds.
OK, it was more substantial and better built than the Brother but even
so...

A friend is on the point of buying a brother colour laser printer for £99.

http://www.johnlewis.com/brother-hl-...inter/p2481101


I've had a look around and cannot fault this model. By reports it's well
built, cheap to run, only that it's single sided, but ...


I have a Brother A3 all in one; prints and scans duplex, it's the dog's
whatsits. About £160 from Amazon iirc.

On 2/28/2017 11:04 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 20:57:58 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

Lasers are massively more reliable. Inkjets hate occasional use.


NT

Would have said this once, but they have got much better. That said
laser is no brainer for OP.

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:16:36 +0000, newshound wrote:

Lasers are massively more reliable. Inkjets hate occasional use.

Would have said this once, but they have got much better. That said
laser is no brainer for OP.

If the OP is happy with "win printer". It'll *only* work with
Windows, it's just a print engine. All the processing to convert a
document to the data stream require by the engine is done by the
windows host PC.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:15:57 -0000
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote:

Richard wrote:
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
news

I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted
me the best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for
shopping lists, notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very
poor black text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have
Never needed to print in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead.
Google is my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

Buy the laser.

Yes.



And again. Mine sits there, doing nothing, for as long as I want to
leave it, then when I need it, it just works. My old deskjet is now a
doorstop.

--
Davey.

On 28/02/2017 23:15, newshound wrote:
On 2/28/2017 10:59 PM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 28/02/17 22:49, Bert Coules wrote:
I have a Brother b&w laser printer which cost around £30 last year and
is perfectly fine for general use. It's a sobering thought that when I
bought my first laser printer it cost me well over a thousand pounds.
OK, it was more substantial and better built than the Brother but even
so...

A friend is on the point of buying a brother colour laser printer for
£99.

http://www.johnlewis.com/brother-hl-...inter/p2481101



I've had a look around and cannot fault this model. By reports it's well
built, cheap to run, only that it's single sided, but ...


I have a Brother A3 all in one; prints and scans duplex, it's the dog's
whatsits. About £160 from Amazon iirc.

I got a HP duplex scanner/laser print. It works but the scan sheet feed
has a tendency to grab multiple sheets and scan a bit crooked.

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:49:14 +0000, Bert Coules wrote:

I have a Brother b&w laser printer which cost around £30 last year and
is perfectly fine for general use. It's a sobering thought that when I
bought my first laser printer it cost me well over a thousand pounds.
OK, it was more substantial and better built than the Brother but even
so...

I have an HP Laserjet 4M+ that I was given in 1997. It's done about
100,000 pages for me. I have another that cost me £3.50, and that's done
about 30,000 pages.

I moved away from a Lexmark Optra+ (rebadged) inkjet for colour as I only
used it occasionally and it was costing a fortune in dried up cartridges.
I have a cheap Samsung colour laser instead.

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wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message.
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"newshound" wrote in message
.. .
On 2/28/2017 8:57 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me
the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping
lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor
black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to
print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google
is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?





Certainly would not waste time on the inkjet.

I find it hard to imagine how anyone would do as little printing as you
do.

I do even less and almost all of it was stuff others want to print.

The only printing on paper I do myself is when some dinosaur
operation wants me to print something, sign it and post it to
them. Havent had one for years now, quite literally.

I do a bit of printing to blank CDs and DVDs
and with some labels, but that’s about it.

Tesco option sounds pretty low risk given SOGA. I've had a few second-hand
HP laserjets off eBay, they have generally been fine.

These days, duplex printers are cheap and reliable, personally I would not
touch a single sided one for general use.

I don’t print enough on paper to matter.

in 1569580 20170228 205736 "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote:
I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

I recently bought a Brother HL-1212W (b&w) from Argos for £50.
Excellent print quality and toner cartridge does 1000 pages
and costs £15 on eBay.
It's WiFi so I can print from my Android phone.

How do colour laser printers, especially lower-cost ones, compare with
inkjets for producing photo-quality prints on good glossy paper?

Bert

On 01/03/17 08:17, Bert Coules wrote:
How do colour laser printers, especially lower-cost ones, compare with
inkjets for producing photo-quality prints on good glossy paper?

Bert

MUCH better


--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

MUCH better.

Interesting. Thanks.

Bert

On 28/02/2017 21:53, R D S wrote:
On 28/02/17 20:57, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

If you only print small amounts then almost any printer will do. If you
only want B&W then a laser printer is much more likely to work after a
long period of disuse. Inkjets used infrequently clog up the heads and
drink copious amounts of ink cleaning them again.

That said modern inkjets are pretty good for domestic use and there are
some pretty good deals on combined scan/print/copy devices.

I've no experience with Ricoh but as others have questioned it I thought
it worth adding that i've had a few small cheap mono Brothers (HL2xxx)
and they've been OK.

If you don't mind industrial ugly physically big then end of line
printers can be had from the likes of Morgan Computers. Built to last
rather than the cheap tat sold insupermarkets.

I have a Samsung ML2550 mono duplex and a Dell 1320cn colour that way. I
chose them for having cheap aftermarket toner available (Samsung is a
bit more expensive in that respect since the drum gets swapped too).

In its day the Dell was capable of photoreal output quality but things
have moved on since then. Even so some industrial colour printers have
dire colour photograph reproduction so are easily beaten by an inkjet.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 01/03/17 09:12, Martin Brown wrote:
Even so some industrial colour printers have dire colour photograph
reproduction so are easily beaten by an inkjet

That is all down to whose toner you buy and how you set up the color curves.



--
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But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

newshound wrote:
On 2/28/2017 10:59 PM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 28/02/17 22:49, Bert Coules wrote:
I have a Brother b&w laser printer which cost around £30 last year and
is perfectly fine for general use. It's a sobering thought that when I
bought my first laser printer it cost me well over a thousand pounds.
OK, it was more substantial and better built than the Brother but even
so...

A friend is on the point of buying a brother colour laser printer for £99.

http://www.johnlewis.com/brother-hl-...inter/p2481101


I've had a look around and cannot fault this model. By reports it's well
built, cheap to run, only that it's single sided, but ...


I have a Brother A3 all in one; prints and scans duplex, it's the dog's
whatsits. About £160 from Amazon iirc.

I have an OKI all-in-one, A4 but does FAX as well, duplex copying is
worth it for the entertainment value! About the same price and 'just
works' whenever you want to print.

--
Chris Green
·

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/03/17 08:17, Bert Coules wrote:
How do colour laser printers, especially lower-cost ones, compare with
inkjets for producing photo-quality prints on good glossy paper?

Bert

MUCH better

Quite the opposite, laser colour printing is good for posters,
letterheads etc. but can't match inkjet for photo printing.
This is true for 'domestic' priced ones anyway, I guess if you spend
thousands of pounds on a colour laser printer you might get photo
quality printing.

--
Chris Green
·

On 01/03/17 07:56, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1569580 20170228 205736 "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote:
I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

I recently bought a Brother HL-1212W (b&w) from Argos for £50.
Excellent print quality and toner cartridge does 1000 pages
and costs £15 on eBay.
It's WiFi so I can print from my Android phone.


I have a tiny B&W Samsung laser that is so small it sits on a shelf in
the hall. Quality is excellent - and it is all of about 6"x6" x 14-16" wide.

Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?


I have one of these cheap Ricohs a punt. Basically, a bit ****. Pain to set
up using supplied disk and heaven help you if you lose the disk. Unlike
every other printer I've owned I've had no luck with downloading working
drivers.

I would spend a bit more on a Brother.

Tim

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Please don't feed the trolls

On 01/03/2017 10:50, Tim+ wrote:

I have one of these cheap Ricohs a punt. Basically, a bit ****. Pain to set
up using supplied disk and heaven help you if you lose the disk. Unlike
every other printer I've owned I've had no luck with downloading working
drivers.

My problem with it was that I had the Ricoh disc, but the laptop didn't
have an optical disc drive. I got the driver installed eventually, but
only on one of the two USB ports!



I would spend a bit more on a Brother.

I've had loads of HPs, an Oki, some Samsungs. None have caused the
annoyance that the Ricoh has.

Incidentally, if anyone wants an HP LJ5, I have one looking for a new
home. It would need to be collected from N London. One careful owner
since new. It needs a new toner cartridge but is otherwise fine. I
fitted a new fuser unit, and it hasn't done all that many pages since then.




Tim

R D S wrote:
On 28/02/17 20:57, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?


I've no experience with Ricoh but as others have questioned it I thought
it worth adding that i've had a few small cheap mono Brothers (HL2xxx)
and they've been OK.


I have a colour Brother Laser and it is excellent. I can print from my
smartphone, which is very useful for pictures. It always works for the
last 3 years. My son has the older version and his is now about 6 years
old without problems apart from having to buy the expensive Brother
toner cartridges after 5 years!

In article ,
wrote:
Lasers are massively more reliable. Inkjets hate occasional use.

Don't think that's as true as once was. Mine can go weeks with not being
used, but is still fine.

My cheap Samsung laser is a pile of poo.

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*People want trepanners like they want a hole in the head*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

It happens that Mr Pounder Esquire formulated :
I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.

For that low level of printing a cheap laser printer would suit you
much better. No wasted ink cleaning the head, no choking up. You can
even get old office laser printers just for the cost of your collecting
one - look on your local Freecycle.

On 01/03/2017 09:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/03/17 09:12, Martin Brown wrote:

Even so some industrial colour printers have dire colour photograph
reproduction so are easily beaten by an inkjet

That is all down to whose toner you buy and how you set up the color
curves.

Perhaps but some of the ones I have seen in multinational corporate
organisations look like they were setup by someone who was colour blind!

It didn't look too bad on printing PPT presentations apart from the soot
and whitewash and incredibly dark rendition of embedded images. I
wouldn't put it past their IT department to have printer colour
management completely mangled, applied twice or not at all. But my
printer could run rings around them printing the same content.

I haven't found the toner to be a problem. I stuck with Dell OEM toner
for a while (buying up cartridges secondhand from returned units with
the print engine trashed by ham fisted installers). I even bought an
entire spare printer to get 2 full sets of original Dell toner at one
point. I now use decent grade third party cartridges with no real loss
of quality - and still cheaper than refilling them myself! I save the
empties in the loft to refill one day if it ever becomes worthwhile.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/03/2017 09:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/03/17 09:12, Martin Brown wrote:

Even so some industrial colour printers have dire colour photograph
reproduction so are easily beaten by an inkjet

That is all down to whose toner you buy and how you set up the color
curves.

Perhaps but some of the ones I have seen in multinational corporate
organisations look like they were setup by someone who was colour blind!

It didn't look too bad on printing PPT presentations apart from the soot
and whitewash and incredibly dark rendition of embedded images. I
wouldn't put it past their IT department to have printer colour
management completely mangled, applied twice or not at all. But my
printer could run rings around them printing the same content.

I haven't found the toner to be a problem. I stuck with Dell OEM toner
for a while (buying up cartridges secondhand from returned units with
the print engine trashed by ham fisted installers). I even bought an
entire spare printer to get 2 full sets of original Dell toner at one
point. I now use decent grade third party cartridges with no real loss
of quality - and still cheaper than refilling them myself! I save the
empties in the loft to refill one day if it ever becomes worthwhile.

I have an A3 laser - bought 2nd hand, I tried every setting to get the
colour balance correct. Then the Cyan toner ran out - so I bought genuine
HP toner - problem gone.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In message , Martin Brown
writes
I haven't found the toner to be a problem. I stuck with Dell OEM toner
for a while (buying up cartridges secondhand from returned units with
the print engine trashed by ham fisted installers). I even bought an
entire spare printer to get 2 full sets of original Dell toner at one
point. I now use decent grade third party cartridges with no real loss
of quality - and still cheaper than refilling them myself! I save the
empties in the loft to refill one day if it ever becomes worthwhile.

My Dell C1765nf runs fine on non-oem toner, but it was given to me by
the previous owner. He had a paper jam, which Dell said could not be
cured without an uneconomic major dismantle. They replaced the printer
foc, but he was not happy to take the risk of a recurrence. I'm careful
with the paper.

It might be worth googling whatever printer is chosen + "paper jam".

My main worry with lasers is with the print media. I've had 2 antique
Xerox P12 lasers, both bought for pennies. I ran some sort of coated
paper through the first and it never worked again, hence bought the
second one to use up the toner. I keep meaning to look up what can and
can't be run through a laser printer.
--
Bill

On 01/03/2017 12:21, Bill wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
I haven't found the toner to be a problem. I stuck with Dell OEM toner
for a while (buying up cartridges secondhand from returned units with
the print engine trashed by ham fisted installers). I even bought an
entire spare printer to get 2 full sets of original Dell toner at one
point. I now use decent grade third party cartridges with no real loss
of quality - and still cheaper than refilling them myself! I save the
empties in the loft to refill one day if it ever becomes worthwhile.

My Dell C1765nf runs fine on non-oem toner, but it was given to me by
the previous owner. He had a paper jam, which Dell said could not be
cured without an uneconomic major dismantle. They replaced the printer
foc, but he was not happy to take the risk of a recurrence. I'm careful
with the paper.

I have had the duplex feed on the other printer jam more often, but
taking one apart doesn't bother me all that much. DIY after all. A bit
of care and low light to avoid trashing the photosensitive drum - most
often long tweezers and a bit of brute force will get it out.
(not necessarily in one piece)

It might be worth googling whatever printer is chosen + "paper jam".

Certainly some are more prone to jams than others. The more convoluted
the paper path and thicker the paper the more likely it is to jam.

My main worry with lasers is with the print media. I've had 2 antique
Xerox P12 lasers, both bought for pennies. I ran some sort of coated
paper through the first and it never worked again, hence bought the
second one to use up the toner. I keep meaning to look up what can and
can't be run through a laser printer.

Typically they have a maximum permissible thickness I think mine is
220gsm and a severe dislike of anything that will melt when hot.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

On 28/02/2017 20:57, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I do very very very little printing. 500 sheets of paper has lasted me the
best part of 10 years. Most of that paper has been used for shopping lists,
notes etc.
My very old gifted Epson Stylus Photo R300 is now printing very poor black
text, even with a new cart. Colour is fine. But I have Never needed to print
in colour.
I've done everything that can be done with the software.
I'm planning to take it apart - gulp - and clean the printhead. Google is
my friend.
Then I saw this:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/ricoh-s...skuId=676-1263

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?

Yup. Laser always wins for infrequent use - no head clogging, head
cleaning and all that other nonsense.



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Cheers,

John.

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On 28/02/2017 21:53, R D S wrote:
On 28/02/17 20:57, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

I will not be printing 700 pages even from beyond the grave.
Should I mess around or just give Tesco 30 quid?


I've no experience with Ricoh but as others have questioned it I thought
it worth adding that i've had a few small cheap mono Brothers (HL2xxx)
and they've been OK.

I have not tried the Ricoh entry level machines, although their high end
colour workgroup machines are very good (a favourite with Estate Agents
and similar businesses to 30K pages/month)

The small brothers I have tried, and they are generally good as well.


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John.

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On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 11:26:04 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Lasers are massively more reliable. Inkjets hate occasional use.

Don't think that's as true as once was. Mine can go weeks with not being
used, but is still fine.

Inkjets can. You just don't get long term reliability if you print infrequently. I guess it depends what you do but when I print I need it to work.

My cheap Samsung laser is a pile of poo.


NT