I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?

Daniele

D.M. Procida wrote:
I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?

Daniele

Depends on the quality of the steel that the "steel" is made from.

D.M. Procida wrote

I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?

It obviously depends on how well its made and how often you use it.

Can't say I have ever seen one that is no longer any
use tho presumably butchers must see that at times.

On 04/02/17 21:03, D.M. Procida wrote:
I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?

Daniele

IME about a week.


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And whether its just hardened on the surface so to speak
I never did see the point of these.
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D.M. Procida wrote:
I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?

Daniele

Depends on the quality of the steel that the "steel" is made from.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 08:51:50 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

And whether its just hardened on the surface so to speak
I never did see the point of these.
Brian

A steel is for polishing the already (very) sharp edge of a knife, it
does not, as such, sharpen it, but it does 'touch-it-up'

I have a two steels, one very old (bone handled, & belonged to my
grandfather) and a more modern one (meat inspection quality) the first is
smooth but not polished, the second has an almost mirror finish.

Neither do any good unless the knife is sharp to start with, but they
both put one heck of an edge on my knives.

HTH,BIBID

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(i.e. they last a very long time if good & you know how to use them & can
sharpen a knife on a whet-stone/hone)

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On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 09:02:14 -0000 (UTC), The Nomad
wrote:

A steel is for polishing the already (very) sharp edge of a knife, it
does not, as such, sharpen it, but it does 'touch-it-up'

The ridged ones may sharpen it a bit, i.e. in the sense of "take off material";
the diamond-coated and ceramic ones are more of a very fine whetstone and will
certainly take off traces.

None of them will do a thing for the usual knife that's been dragged of the
granite countertop, tossed in drawer, and was last sharpened in another
millenium.

I have a two steels, one very old (bone handled, & belonged to my
grandfather) and a more modern one (meat inspection quality) the first is
smooth but not polished, the second has an almost mirror finish.

Neither do any good unless the knife is sharp to start with, but they
both put one heck of an edge on my knives.

Wot e said.

I have a steel that is smooth out of the box, and is of hardened steel. It will
improve the edge.

So, if you have a ridged one, it may over time turn into a smooth one: less
material removed, sharper edge, more polishing. I'd leave it.


Thomas Prufer

Thomas Prufer wrote:

On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 09:02:14 -0000 (UTC), The Nomad
wrote:

I have a two steels, one very old (bone handled, & belonged to my
grandfather) and a more modern one (meat inspection quality) the first is
smooth but not polished, the second has an almost mirror finish.

I have a steel that is smooth out of the box, and is of hardened steel. It
will improve the edge.

So, if you have a ridged one, it may over time turn into a smooth one: less
material removed, sharper edge, more polishing. I'd leave it.

Great! I shall worry no longer about my ancient and
perhaps-not-so-ridged steel. I do the actual sharpening of blunted
knives with a whetstone.

Presumably, almost any hard surface would work for putting the edge to
rights.

Daniele

On 04/02/17 21:03, D.M. Procida wrote:
I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?

Daniele


I had one (and not a cheap one, Sabatier iirc) which seemed to be
useless when it came out of the box. I spent a long time wondering if my
technique was at fault, but at the end of the day I don't blame myself.
Never managed to do anything useful with it.

For some years I used the plastic backed diamond whetstones that you get
from tool shops but I finally discovered that for kitchen knives a nice
rough burr is much easier to acheive and much more effective in use than
a finely polished razor edge.

So I recommend this ( know, you didn't ask ):

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AnySharp-Kn...nife+sharpener

Tim W

On 04/02/2017 21:03, D.M. Procida wrote:
I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?

IME more than 30 years. I can't say how much longer.

Andy

On 05/02/17 19:52, TimW wrote:
On 04/02/17 21:03, D.M. Procida wrote:
I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?

Daniele


I had one (and not a cheap one, Sabatier iirc) which seemed to be
useless when it came out of the box. I spent a long time wondering if my
technique was at fault, but at the end of the day I don't blame myself.
Never managed to do anything useful with it.

For some years I used the plastic backed diamond whetstones that you get
from tool shops but I finally discovered that for kitchen knives a nice
rough burr is much easier to acheive and much more effective in use than
a finely polished razor edge.

So I recommend this ( know, you didn't ask ):

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AnySharp-Kn...nife+sharpener


Tim W

bear in mind that 'good edge' and 'stainless steel' don't belong on the
same knife


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On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 21:03:48 +0000,
(D.M. Procida) wrote:

I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?


Not used more than a few times a year I still have one with the
carving set from 1973.

However leather strops were also common in butchers when I was young.

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On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:01:52 PM UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 21:03:48 +0000,
(D.M. Procida) wrote:

I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?


Not used more than a few times a year I still have one with the
carving set from 1973.

However leather strops were also common in butchers when I was young.

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AnthonyL

Not just butchers, barbers used them consistantly on their cut throat razors, usually before starting a wet shave.

These devices are for honing the edge, not polishing it.

ISTR that most barbers had their cut throat razors sharoened professionally

On 08/02/2017 08:40, fred wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:01:52 PM UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 21:03:48 +0000,
(D.M. Procida) wrote:

I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?


Not used more than a few times a year I still have one with the
carving set from 1973.

However leather strops were also common in butchers when I was young.

Not just butchers, barbers used them consistantly on their cut throat razors, usually before starting a wet shave.

These devices are for honing the edge, not polishing it.

A leather strop would just straighten out pieces of the edge that had
curled over, not 'hone', i.e. sharpen it.

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Max Demian

On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 11:51:09 AM UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 08/02/2017 08:40, fred wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:01:52 PM UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 21:03:48 +0000,
(D.M. Procida) wrote:

I presume they eventually wear out to the point of being no more use
than a smooth steel surface, but how long might that typically take?


Not used more than a few times a year I still have one with the
carving set from 1973.

However leather strops were also common in butchers when I was young.

Not just butchers, barbers used them consistantly on their cut throat razors, usually before starting a wet shave.

These devices are for honing the edge, not polishing it.

A leather strop would just straighten out pieces of the edge that had
curled over, not 'hone', i.e. sharpen it.

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Max Demian

Bollix

There is a difference betweeb honing and sharpening. After being sharpened an edge can be honed several times before it needs re-sharpening. Two different operations with two different purposes.

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 11:51:06 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

A leather strop would just straighten out pieces of the edge that had
curled over, not 'hone', i.e. sharpen it.

Eh? Sure it'll hone. Some/all strops are rubbed with an abrasive. For example:
"Flexcut Gold Polishing Compound", for "Flexcut SlipStrop".

Or what a harness maker told me: bit of leather glued to wood, rubbed with
neatsfoot oil and fine (say, 4000 grit) carborundum powder. The abrasive will
remain in the leather pretty much indefinitely.


Thomas Prufer