In article ,
wrote:
I've had various clock radios and just can't be bothered with them. A
traditional alarm clock is so much easier & more reliable.

I can sleep through an alarm going off - and music. But not talk as on R4.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/01/2017 11:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/01/2017 00:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If your DAB really does sound like AM, you need to buy a decent DAB
receiver.

There are plenty of tiny tinny DAB radios about.

True. And if you hear it from next door all radio transmission systems
might sound the same too.

But assuming a competent radio, you'd need very degraded hearing for DAB
to sound like AM.

It is interesting to do A B switching on the Proms since the satellite
time delay allows you to listen to the same short chunk of music twice.

Which isn't a true AB test.

It is plenty good enough to spot what is missing from DAB audio.

What is that, as a matter of interest? Given you think it sounds like AM?

DAB was almost acceptable until they cut the bitrate down (and would
have been acceptable if they had used the right ie newer codec).

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

ISTR Cutting the bitrate was done after introduction. Using the wrong
codec was a poor engineering decision probably made by beancounters.

The CODEC was the best available at design time. To change it afterwards
would have been very costly to those who'd bought receivers.

There is nothing wrong with internet radio at all. My "DAB" tuner spends
all its time streaming internet radio these days.

Internet radio in the car?

You could do it for about £1.44 @ 320kbps on Threes 123 PAYG tariff or
for free if you have all you can eat mobile broadband.

You'd get as good mobile reception as DAB? Just where?

DAB is fine for
in car use since engine noise disguises all its shortcomings.

Really? How would that be? I can certainly hear the difference between it
an AM in my car. CD sounds a lot better than cassette there too.

The only
thing that DAB does better than FM is the dead air between programmes.

R3 at 320kbps is as near perfect as makes no difference.

The question was about clock radios. On the tiny speaker(s) most of
those have and the pretty basic electronics, the differences in audio
quality between DAB an FM etc simply ain't going to be noticed. Poor
reception on any of them might well be, though.

DAB invariably has poor reception except perhaps in central London.

Actually not with a decent aerial. My car radio will revert to FM if the
DAB signal is poor - and that hardly ever happens.

I have an audio analogue distribution system to every room in this
house. One very real benefit of using the same source in every room is
the same delay (or whatever) to all. Although I originally installed
it due to very poor FM reception in this part of London making
portable radios near useless.

The flanging effect of different DAB radios in different rooms is
hilarious. Decoder delays vary by noticeable fractions of a second.

Happens with all digital signals.

It has 5 stereo circuits. Four radio tuners - all now FreeView - and
the output of the main system in the living room. 4 radio channels
covers pretty well all I ever want - although there are tuners in the
main system.

In my bedroom, I have a pair of Chartwell LS 3/5s ceiling mounted over
the end of the bed. Switched by an alarm.

That is a fairly hefty alarm sound system with BBC monitor clones.

They're not clones. The BBC don't make their own speakers. Chartwell
Rogers and Spendor all supplied 3/5a to the BBC.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
charles wrote:
DAB invariably has poor reception except perhaps in central London.

Returning to the original topic, it was only once DAB arrived could I
get solid signal for my bedside clock radio.

I was delighted to get a decent signal for once in this part of S London
where FM from Wrotham was terrible. Until they installed the fill in at
Croyden.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman wrote:

charles wrote:

it was only once DAB arrived could I get solid signal for my
bedside clock radio.

I was delighted to get a decent signal for once in this part of S
London where FM from Wrotham was terrible. Until they installed the
fill in at Croyden.

I have an external DAB aerial here and get an excellent signal at home.

When I got DAB in the car there were a few obvious black spots that I
drove through, over the years they got filled-in, and the only one I
continued to notice was when passing a local DAB transmitter site on the
A47 a few miles east of Leicester which only carried a local MUX but
gave enough co-channel interference to knock the BBC MUX out over a few
hundred yard stretch.

Unfortunately now they seem to have provided an extra DAB transmitter
somewhere in the vicinity, which produces bubbling mud and dropouts on
the BBC MUX anywhere within a 15 mile arc east of Leicester :-(

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

you'd need very degraded hearing for DAB to sound like AM.

Try listening to R5L at times when they've stolen Capacity Units for
e.g. additional R2 "pop-up" stations. When they put mobile callers on
the air you can hear the codec "hunting" between fairly**** and very****
modes every few seconds to keep within available bandwidth.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 00:54:47 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/01/2017 11:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/01/2017 00:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If your DAB really does sound like AM, you need to buy a decent DAB
receiver.

There are plenty of tiny tinny DAB radios about.

True. And if you hear it from next door all radio transmission systems
might sound the same too.

But assuming a competent radio, you'd need very degraded hearing for DAB
to sound like AM.

Even if it's 64 kbps mono?

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:12:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:03:06 UTC, Chris J Dixon wrote:
My present device is now approaching 20 years old, and I am
wondering about getting one which does its tuning using something
more sophisticated than the traditional knob and length of
string.

As ever, my life on the edge of the bell curve seems to mean that
designers have priorities different from mine.

Amongst the desirable attributes I wish to retain a

Large clear LED digits easily read by the short-sighted,
permanently illuminated (no need to reach out and tap anything),
also displayed when the radio is on, but not so bright that they
light the whole bedroom.

At least two easily selectable alarms.

Radio when used as alarm to be the same volume as when last
listened, which can be set as low as I want.

Control buttons easily located and operated without my head
leaving the pillow, ideally on the front.

Sleep timer with adjustable duration.

Mains operated, with automatic clock synchronisation.

Setting not requiring navigation through lengthy menus.

I guess for future-proofing DAB should be included.

Reading reviews, many seem to fail on several of my requirements.

Any suggestions?

Chris

I've had various clock radios and just can't be bothered with them. A traditional alarm clock is so much easier & more reliable.

I would disagree with that. A 'traditional' alarm clock requires to
be set each night and from the risk management perspective I cannot
trust myself to do that. A clock radio defaulting to 'on' seems much
safer.

In article , Scott
wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:12:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:03:06 UTC, Chris J Dixon wrote:
My present device is now approaching 20 years old, and I am wondering
about getting one which does its tuning using something more
sophisticated than the traditional knob and length of string.

As ever, my life on the edge of the bell curve seems to mean that
designers have priorities different from mine.

Amongst the desirable attributes I wish to retain a

Large clear LED digits easily read by the short-sighted, permanently
illuminated (no need to reach out and tap anything), also displayed
when the radio is on, but not so bright that they light the whole
bedroom.

At least two easily selectable alarms.

Radio when used as alarm to be the same volume as when last listened,
which can be set as low as I want.

Control buttons easily located and operated without my head leaving
the pillow, ideally on the front.

Sleep timer with adjustable duration.

Mains operated, with automatic clock synchronisation.

Setting not requiring navigation through lengthy menus.

I guess for future-proofing DAB should be included.

Reading reviews, many seem to fail on several of my requirements.

Any suggestions?

Chris

I've had various clock radios and just can't be bothered with them. A
traditional alarm clock is so much easier & more reliable.

I would disagree with that. A 'traditional' alarm clock requires to be
set each night and from the risk management perspective I cannot trust
myself to do that. A clock radio defaulting to 'on' seems much safer.

I found that modern travel alarms work on a frequency I can't hear without
my hearing aids. Being woken by the radio is possible.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

charles wrote:

it was only once DAB arrived could I get solid signal for my
bedside clock radio.

I was delighted to get a decent signal for once in this part of S
London where FM from Wrotham was terrible. Until they installed the
fill in at Croyden.

I have an external DAB aerial here and get an excellent signal at home.

When I got DAB in the car there were a few obvious black spots that I
drove through, over the years they got filled-in, and the only one I
continued to notice was when passing a local DAB transmitter site on the
A47 a few miles east of Leicester which only carried a local MUX but
gave enough co-channel interference to knock the BBC MUX out over a few
hundred yard stretch.

Unfortunately now they seem to have provided an extra DAB transmitter
somewhere in the vicinity, which produces bubbling mud and dropouts on
the BBC MUX anywhere within a 15 mile arc east of Leicester :-(

There are bound to be some parts of the country where reception is poor.
Hopefully addressed as time goes by. But then that's absolutely no
different from any other transmission system.

--
*i souport publik edekashun.

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
you'd need very degraded hearing for DAB to sound like AM.

Try listening to R5L at times when they've stolen Capacity Units for
e.g. additional R2 "pop-up" stations. When they put mobile callers on
the air you can hear the codec "hunting" between fairly**** and very****
modes every few seconds to keep within available bandwidth.

Not a service I listen to, so can't comment from experience. But if it is
transmitting phone calls is quality that important? And that transmitted
quality actually worse than the source material?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Scott wrote:
I've had various clock radios and just can't be bothered with them. A
traditional alarm clock is so much easier & more reliable.

I would disagree with that. A 'traditional' alarm clock requires to
be set each night and from the risk management perspective I cannot
trust myself to do that. A clock radio defaulting to 'on' seems much
safer.

Wonder if he really does mean a traditional - ie wind up alarm?

--
*Welcome to **** Creek - sorry, we're out of paddles*

Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman wrote:

There are bound to be some parts of the country where reception is poor.
Hopefully addressed as time goes by.

Of course, and I have noticed it getting better in several places.

But then that's absolutely no
different from any other transmission system.

But what I was pointing out is that it also gets worse in other places
too. Presumably the COFDM guard interval is not long enough to see
multi-reception as "helpful" in such cases?

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Try listening to R5L at times when they've stolen Capacity Units for
e.g. additional R2 "pop-up" stations. When they put mobile callers on
the air you can hear the codec "hunting" between fairly**** and very****
modes every few seconds to keep within available bandwidth.

Not a service I listen to, so can't comment from experience. But if it is
transmitting phone calls is quality that important? And that transmitted
quality actually worse than the source material?

Yes mobile quality itself can be poor at times, BUT it beCOMES RATHER
DISTRActing to LISTen to when it toggles BETWEEN DIFFERENT qualities
several TIMES WITHin a sentence.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
Scott wrote:
I've had various clock radios and just can't be bothered with them. A
traditional alarm clock is so much easier & more reliable.

I would disagree with that. A 'traditional' alarm clock requires to
be set each night and from the risk management perspective I cannot
trust myself to do that. A clock radio defaulting to 'on' seems much
safer.

Wonder if he really does mean a traditional - ie wind up alarm?

.... which, coming to think of it, *doesn't* need setting each night
does it? I.e. surely you just silence it 'now' when it has woken you
up but that doesn't prevent it ringing again tomorrow.

The same issue applies to any alarm - you have to differentiate
somehow between 'yes, I really have woken up and got out of bed today
thank you' and 'I want the alarm not to ring again at all, even
tomorrow'.

--
Chris Green
·

Chris Green wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

Wonder if he really does mean a traditional - ie wind up alarm?

... which, coming to think of it, *doesn't* need setting each night
does it? I.e. surely you just silence it 'now' when it has woken you
up but that doesn't prevent it ringing again tomorrow.

The mechanical ones I remember, you had to pull the knob up to enable it
to ring, and when it went off, pushed it down again to silence it, so
that would prevent it ringing again tomorrow if you forgot to pull the
knob back up later that day, and if you pulled it up too soon, it would
go off 12 hours early.

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Try listening to R5L at times when they've stolen Capacity Units for
e.g. additional R2 "pop-up" stations. When they put mobile callers
on the air you can hear the codec "hunting" between fairly**** and
very**** modes every few seconds to keep within available bandwidth.

Not a service I listen to, so can't comment from experience. But if it
is transmitting phone calls is quality that important? And that
transmitted quality actually worse than the source material?

Yes mobile quality itself can be poor at times, BUT it beCOMES RATHER
DISTRActing to LISTen to when it toggles BETWEEN DIFFERENT qualities
several TIMES WITHin a sentence.

What I'm not clear about is why this only seems to happen with phone
calls? Even the very worst broadcast rate is going to be better than a
phone.

But given audio quality isn't something that important with phone ins -
why not just use AM if its better than DAB?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Yes mobile quality itself can be poor at times, BUT it beCOMES RATHER
DISTRActing to LISTen to when it toggles BETWEEN DIFFERENT qualities
several TIMES WITHin a sentence.

What I'm not clear about is why this only seems to happen with phone
calls? Even the very worst broadcast rate is going to be better than a
phone.

Maybe something that's been through a GSM codec, then A-Law companding
(I presume the BBC will accept calls over an ISDN/30 circuit) then an
MP2 codec can trigger some edge case?

It might be some other part of the broadcast chain, but it's not an
effect I've ever heard on a mobile phone call myself and it happens very
frequently on R5L.

But given audio quality isn't something that important with phone ins -
why not just use AM if its better than DAB?

Because of the other bad effects with AM in an car.

On 04/01/2017 10:03, Chris J Dixon wrote:
I guess for future-proofing DAB should be included.

I would say DAB+ as well. Some stations in the UK started using it.

gr, hwh

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Yes mobile quality itself can be poor at times, BUT it beCOMES RATHER
DISTRActing to LISTen to when it toggles BETWEEN DIFFERENT qualities
several TIMES WITHin a sentence.

What I'm not clear about is why this only seems to happen with phone
calls? Even the very worst broadcast rate is going to be better than a
phone.

Maybe something that's been through a GSM codec, then A-Law companding
(I presume the BBC will accept calls over an ISDN/30 circuit) then an
MP2 codec can trigger some edge case?

I'm not really sure. Not something I've experienced. Perhaps
uk.tech.broadcast might help - if there's anyone left on that who knows
about such things.

It might be some other part of the broadcast chain, but it's not an
effect I've ever heard on a mobile phone call myself and it happens very
frequently on R5L.

I take it you don't hear the same on AM?

But given audio quality isn't something that important with phone ins -
why not just use AM if its better than DAB?

Because of the other bad effects with AM in an car.

Quite.

I'll have a listen to R5L on DAB to see if I can hear what you report. The
other possibility is something in your receiver? Have you also tried
FreeView?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

it's not an effect I've ever heard on a mobile phone call myself
and it happens very frequently on R5L.

I take it you don't hear the same on AM?

I have been trying to switch to AM whenever I notice it in the car, but
inevitably when I do so they drop the caller soon after, so I can't tell
if it would continue or not ...

I'll have a listen to R5L on DAB to see if I can hear what you
report. The other possibility is something in your receiver? Have you
also tried FreeView?

Not freeview, but iPlayer Radio, where I haven't noticed it.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 12:57:57 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Try listening to R5L at times when they've stolen Capacity Units for
e.g. additional R2 "pop-up" stations. When they put mobile callers
on the air you can hear the codec "hunting" between fairly**** and
very**** modes every few seconds to keep within available bandwidth.

Not a service I listen to, so can't comment from experience. But if it
is transmitting phone calls is quality that important? And that
transmitted quality actually worse than the source material?

Yes mobile quality itself can be poor at times, BUT it beCOMES RATHER
DISTRActing to LISTen to when it toggles BETWEEN DIFFERENT qualities
several TIMES WITHin a sentence.

What I'm not clear about is why this only seems to happen with phone
calls? Even the very worst broadcast rate is going to be better than a
phone.

But given audio quality isn't something that important with phone ins -
why not just use AM if its better than DAB?

I have noticed this too - where the bitrate is low there is a curious
distortion of phone calls. In my non-technical way I just assumed
these were mobile phones digitally encoded and one coding system was
clashing with another.

Lots of radios don't have AM. Stations like LBC are not available on
AM (outside London).

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

you'd need very degraded hearing for DAB to sound like AM.

Try listening to R5L at times when they've stolen Capacity Units for e.g.
additional R2 "pop-up" stations. When they put mobile callers on the air
you can hear the codec "hunting" between fairly**** and very**** modes
every few seconds to keep within available bandwidth.

AM never sounds like that.

"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 00:54:47 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/01/2017 11:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/01/2017 00:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If your DAB really does sound like AM, you need to buy a decent DAB
receiver.

There are plenty of tiny tinny DAB radios about.

True. And if you hear it from next door all radio transmission systems
might sound the same too.

But assuming a competent radio, you'd need very degraded hearing for DAB
to sound like AM.

Even if it's 64 kbps mono?

Yes, that doesn't sound anything like AM.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 05:41:42 +1100, "Hankat"
wrote:



"Scott" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 00:54:47 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/01/2017 11:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/01/2017 00:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If your DAB really does sound like AM, you need to buy a decent DAB
receiver.

There are plenty of tiny tinny DAB radios about.

True. And if you hear it from next door all radio transmission systems
might sound the same too.

But assuming a competent radio, you'd need very degraded hearing for DAB
to sound like AM.

Even if it's 64 kbps mono?

Yes, that doesn't sound anything like AM.

Sound is based on a person's perception of course.

I do perceive a similarity between DAB and AM in terms of absence of
high frequencies, lack of mono and in general a sort of dull booming
sound quite different from how FM sounded before they went crazy with
Optimod or how a CD on a good audio system sounds now..

On 07/01/2017 11:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

There are bound to be some parts of the country where reception is poor.

like where I live, right in the middle of the well known not-spot
between midhurst horsham, bognor and worthing. Otherwise known as the
South Downs.

On 05/01/2017 14:31, bm wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
...

For homebuilding, yes, but then you have the choice of unregulated with a
ridiculously high output impedance, losing a lot of energy in a passive
regulator or building your own SMPS to do the job.

On the subject of wallwarts, does anyone switch'em all off when they leave
the house?
Routers and net stuff as well?
They are a bit of a worry.



Yes. Only the Humax box is left on standby.

On 06/01/2017 00:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
If your DAB really does sound like AM, you need to buy a decent DAB
receiver.

SNR ratio is way better, but THD is worse. And perhaps because I'm more
used to AM the errors on DAB annoy me more.

It's not our system. CDs sound fine, and so does FM (on the rare
occasions I use it)

Andy

"Andrew" wrote in message
news
On 05/01/2017 14:31, bm wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
...

For homebuilding, yes, but then you have the choice of unregulated with
a
ridiculously high output impedance, losing a lot of energy in a passive
regulator or building your own SMPS to do the job.

On the subject of wallwarts, does anyone switch'em all off when they
leave
the house?
Routers and net stuff as well?
They are a bit of a worry.



Yes. Only the Humax box is left on standby.

Pathetically anal IMO.

"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 22:17 7 Jan 2017, Hankat wrote:



"Andrew" wrote in message
news
On 05/01/2017 14:31, bm wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in
message ...

For homebuilding, yes, but then you have the choice of
unregulated with a
ridiculously high output impedance, losing a lot of energy in
a passive regulator or building your own SMPS to do the job.

On the subject of wallwarts, does anyone switch'em all off
when they leave
the house?
Routers and net stuff as well?
They are a bit of a worry.



Yes. Only the Humax box is left on standby.

Pathetically anal IMO.


That's too obvious a troll, Rod. You're slipping! :-)

Statement of fact. Only a pathetically anal individual
would ensure that everything is switched off before
leaving the house except the humax.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 22:17 7 Jan 2017, Hankat wrote:



"Andrew" wrote in message
news On 05/01/2017 14:31, bm wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in
message ...

For homebuilding, yes, but then you have the choice of
unregulated with a
ridiculously high output impedance, losing a lot of energy in
a passive regulator or building your own SMPS to do the job.

On the subject of wallwarts, does anyone switch'em all off
when they leave
the house?
Routers and net stuff as well?
They are a bit of a worry.



Yes. Only the Humax box is left on standby.

Pathetically anal IMO.


That's too obvious a troll, Rod. You're slipping! :-)

Statement of fact. Only a pathetically anal individual
would ensure that everything is switched off before
leaving the house except the humax.

Depends whether you mind your house burning down due to ****e Chinese warts.
You wouldn't mind, obviously. A tin shack rebuild is trivial.
Rods home -
http://www.ann7.com/wp-content/uploa...shack-fire.png
Us Brits tend to have tens of quidsworth of tackle to protect.
You buggers just sit back watching bush fires you've started whilst knocking
back the Fosters.
Peanuts at yard sales.

"bm" wrote in message
eb.com...

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 22:17 7 Jan 2017, Hankat wrote:



"Andrew" wrote in message
news On 05/01/2017 14:31, bm wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in
message ...

For homebuilding, yes, but then you have the choice of
unregulated with a
ridiculously high output impedance, losing a lot of energy in
a passive regulator or building your own SMPS to do the job.

On the subject of wallwarts, does anyone switch'em all off
when they leave
the house?
Routers and net stuff as well?
They are a bit of a worry.



Yes. Only the Humax box is left on standby.

Pathetically anal IMO.


That's too obvious a troll, Rod. You're slipping! :-)

Statement of fact. Only a pathetically anal individual
would ensure that everything is switched off before
leaving the house except the humax.

Depends whether you mind your house burning down due to ****e Chinese
warts.
You wouldn't mind, obviously. A tin shack rebuild is trivial.
Rods home -
http://www.ann7.com/wp-content/uploa...shack-fire.png
Us Brits tend to have tens of quidsworth of tackle to protect.
You buggers just sit back watching bush fires you've started whilst
knocking back the Fosters.
Peanuts at yard sales.

Notice the splendid rustic fire surround, still burning on the drive,
ejected from the North wing of the shack by Wodney himself.
The fire officer on the right is about to recover as many bread makers as he
can carry. Closely followed by an army of midshipmen from the Neptune
convict ship, searching for homebrew.

On 07/01/17 20:40, Hankat wrote:


"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

you'd need very degraded hearing for DAB to sound like AM.

Try listening to R5L at times when they've stolen Capacity Units for
e.g. additional R2 "pop-up" stations. When they put mobile callers on
the air you can hear the codec "hunting" between fairly**** and
very**** modes every few seconds to keep within available bandwidth.

AM never sounds like that.

Agreed. Its stuck at 'totally****' all the time.

I know, you either get a radio that happens to have a clock alarm in it that
sort of just about works, or a clock radio that must be intended for mensa
members with very very long arms and able to identify buttons from feel when
they are all the same shape.
No knobs no switches that click, and often either a built in searchlight
or a tiny screen you cannot see in stupid colours like pink on light blue.
Brian

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Remember, if you don't like where I post
or what I say, you don't have to
read my posts! :-)
"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message
...
My present device is now approaching 20 years old, and I am
wondering about getting one which does its tuning using something
more sophisticated than the traditional knob and length of
string.

As ever, my life on the edge of the bell curve seems to mean that
designers have priorities different from mine.

Amongst the desirable attributes I wish to retain a

Large clear LED digits easily read by the short-sighted,
permanently illuminated (no need to reach out and tap anything),
also displayed when the radio is on, but not so bright that they
light the whole bedroom.

At least two easily selectable alarms.

Radio when used as alarm to be the same volume as when last
listened, which can be set as low as I want.

Control buttons easily located and operated without my head
leaving the pillow, ideally on the front.

Sleep timer with adjustable duration.

Mains operated, with automatic clock synchronisation.

Setting not requiring navigation through lengthy menus.

I guess for future-proofing DAB should be included.

Reading reviews, many seem to fail on several of my requirements.

Any suggestions?

Chris
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On 04/01/2017 09:21, Woody wrote:

We faced the problem of not being able to see the clock at night so I
bought a clock radio of Sainsburys own brand (£13) which has red LED
digits about 2.5" high and put it on the other side of the room just
as a clock. Surprisingly the digits are not too bright and it is
very easy to read.

I have a projection (Red LED) clock that displays the time on my bedroom
ceiling. Its much easier to see than a bedside clock.




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On 10/01/2017 23:27, alan_m wrote:
On 04/01/2017 09:21, Woody wrote:

We faced the problem of not being able to see the clock at night so I
bought a clock radio of Sainsburys own brand (£13) which has red LED
digits about 2.5" high and put it on the other side of the room just
as a clock. Surprisingly the digits are not too bright and it is
very easy to read.

I have a projection (Red LED) clock that displays the time on my bedroom
ceiling. Its much easier to see than a bedside clock.

I have a speaking watch which I wear 24 hours a day during my work week.
At weekends, I don't care what time it is. :-)

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alan_m wrote:

I have a projection (Red LED) clock that displays the time on my bedroom
ceiling. Its much easier to see than a bedside clock.

That very much depends upon your eyesight.

Chris
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In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
alan_m wrote:

I have a projection (Red LED) clock that displays the time on my
bedroom ceiling. Its much easier to see than a bedside clock.

That very much depends upon your eyesight.

Very true. The intensity of the characters is very much less than decent
LED - even on a white wall.

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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
alan_m wrote:

I have a projection (Red LED) clock that displays the time on my
bedroom ceiling. Its much easier to see than a bedside clock.

That very much depends upon your eyesight.

Very true. The intensity of the characters is very much less than decent
LED - even on a white wall.

I suspect focus might be more of a problem

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In article ,
charles wrote:
Very true. The intensity of the characters is very much less than
decent LED - even on a white wall.

I suspect focus might be more of a problem

Not so much with a laser.

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On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:49:33 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

snip

It is still working in my garage right now as you can see here and it is -5C.

It's -5C in your garage???

Bloody hell - what is it outside?