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mike.james wrote:
And that's presumably at our current outside temperature i.e. about 3 or 4C. No, I stood outside with a big hair drier pointed at the unit :-) Sorry... Yes, with outside just about 2C here. -- Grunff |
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"Grunff" wrote in message ... mike.james wrote: And that's presumably at our current outside temperature i.e. about 3 or 4C. No, I stood outside with a big hair drier pointed at the unit :-) :-) Sorry... Yes, with outside just about 2C here. -- Grunff Its not 100% clear where you are in the world - you might have been some where hotter than 2C given all the programs on giving up the UK for Spain etc. there are on at the moment. mikej |
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Its not 100% clear where you are in the world - you might have been some where hotter than 2C given all the programs on giving up the UK for Spain etc. there are on at the moment. I know - I was only joking. I'm in Devon. -- Grunff |
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OTOH aircon units are noisy, expensive to buy and to run, and create cold spots. Installation requires substantial construction work and several specialist trades. ??? The thread is about a modest home/office split unit. This required no construction work, and was installed by me in about 3 hours. Would I like the house to be a little cooler in the summer? Yes, and if the summers get hotter and/or cheaper (Chinese?) aircon units become available I'll reconsider it. 'Till then I and most British people seem to think airconditioning at home in the UK is not worth it for the few days per year it is so uncomfortably hot. 'Till then.. You try working in a home office with several PCs running. -- Grunff |
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"Grunff" wrote in message ... mike.james wrote: Its not 100% clear where you are in the world - you might have been some where hotter than 2C given all the programs on giving up the UK for Spain etc. there are on at the moment. I know - I was only joking. I'm in Devon. So you are somewhere warmer :-) - I'm in North Yorks and its about 0C at the moment. mikej |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:31:21 +0000, Grunff wrote:
derek wrote: OTOH aircon units are noisy, expensive to buy and to run, and create cold spots. Installation requires substantial construction work and several specialist trades. ??? Your comment : " The hardest part was the 3" hole through the 2' wall" refers. Someone else mentioned using mechanical handling to get the 60lb compressor mounted high on the outside wall. The thread is about a modest home/office split unit. This required no construction work, and was installed by me in about 3 hours. No disrespect or criticism intended, I read your original informative post with interest. The one I replied to by 666_ made a series of unsupportable comments about ceiling fans. Would I like the house to be a little cooler in the summer? Yes, and if the summers get hotter and/or cheaper (Chinese?) aircon units become available I'll reconsider it. 'Till then I and most British people seem to think airconditioning at home in the UK is not worth it for the few days per year it is so uncomfortably hot. 'Till then.. You try working in a home office with several PCs running. Several? That would change the equation, but I've already got 2 here in a room 23' x 12'. I manage with just 2 ceiling fans! To reduce the heat input I binned 2 CRT monitors and got TFT's, set up power saving plus I shut one PC down when it's not needed. All the lighting is low energy, either CF's or GE induction lamps, it's no hotter than the rest of the house with tellies etc. DG |
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derek wrote:
OTOH aircon units are noisy, expensive to buy and to run, and create cold spots. Installation requires substantial construction work and several specialist trades. ??? Your comment : " The hardest part was the 3" hole through the 2' wall" refers. Someone else mentioned using mechanical handling to get the 60lb compressor mounted high on the outside wall. Sure, it's not hanging up a picture, but certainly not "substantial construction work and several specialist trades". Most uk.d-i-yers do this kind of thing all the time. As for getting the compressor up a ladder, I think two ladders and two people would be sufficient. No disrespect or criticism intended, I read your original informative post with interest. The one I replied to by 666_ made a series of unsupportable comments about ceiling fans. No offence taken - but I've been there with fans, and they are better than nothing, and can be adequate if the insulation and light input are ok, but it just isn't the same as aircon. Nothing feels quite as nice as walking into an air conditioned room on a hot summers day. -- Grunff |
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"Grunff" wrote in message ... derek wrote: OTOH aircon units are noisy, expensive to buy and to run, and create cold spots. Installation requires substantial construction work and several specialist trades. ??? Your comment : " The hardest part was the 3" hole through the 2' wall" refers. Someone else mentioned using mechanical handling to get the 60lb compressor mounted high on the outside wall. Sure, it's not hanging up a picture, but certainly not "substantial construction work and several specialist trades". Most uk.d-i-yers do this kind of thing all the time. As for getting the compressor up a ladder, I think two ladders and two people would be sufficient. No disrespect or criticism intended, I read your original informative post with interest. The one I replied to by 666_ made a series of unsupportable comments about ceiling fans. No offence taken - but I've been there with fans, and they are better than nothing, and can be adequate if the insulation and light input are ok, but it just isn't the same as aircon. Nothing feels quite as nice as walking into an air conditioned room on a hot summers day. It plays havoc with the body's metabolism. That is why in the USA they revert to serial killing, which crept into the UK when we started this a/c thing. So, overall a/c is dangerous to society at large because: 1) The needless electricity used adds to global warming. 2) Serial killing is now more common. 3) It stops obese people from loosing weight (obese people, who are a menace to society too, overheat too much). 4) This obesity takes its toll on the NHS with self inflicted fatty diseases. 5) Obese people give off far too much flatulence adding to the ozone layer destruction. 6) Obese people don't walk driving everywhere adding to global warming. So a/c units are bad all around. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/2003 |
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derek wrote: for the few days per year it is so uncomfortably hot. You mis-typed. "For the several months of the year it is so uncomfortably hot." I acknowledge you may not have as much heat-generating electronics around as I do. But a ceiling fan is merely better than nothing. It certainly isn't adequate for getting on for half the year. I prefer a temperature of 21 or lower. Air con is a must. I wouldn't be without it. |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Grunff" wrote in message ... Huge wrote: Life's too short, though. I know what you mean - I colour code all his posts, a lovely orange, so I can read them when I have some time to waste... Very wise. You will be very much educated by doing so. Not by the village idiot though... Are you still inhaling nicotine on mass scale? No ! I'm a non smoker, but a non bigoted one like you... |
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But given that we have CH, I don't think I'll be using it to heat. I wonder how the "recovered" heat works out cost wise compared to the CH since the heat recovery is supposed to be more than 100% efficent... if it is cheap enough (and you have a TRV on the radiator) it might be worth using. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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I wonder how the "recovered" heat works out cost wise compared to the CH since the heat recovery is supposed to be more than 100% efficent... if it is cheap enough (and you have a TRV on the radiator) it might be worth using. I'm a little dubious... First off, I'm happy to put up with fan noise in the summer for the sake of cooling, but if I can have quiet heating then I'd rather have that. Second, the room is effectively already electrically heated by the PCs - the CH is just backup :-) Third, I'm on oil, which is really, really cheap. But I'd be interested in any heat efficiency figures, just from a curiosity point of view. -- Grunff |
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"Grunff" wrote in message ... John Rumm wrote: I wonder how the "recovered" heat works out cost wise compared to the CH since the heat recovery is supposed to be more than 100% efficent... if it is cheap enough (and you have a TRV on the radiator) it might be worth using. I'm a little dubious... But I'd be interested in any heat efficiency figures, just from a curiosity point of view. The delongi unit from the same supplier quotes - 2.4Kw heat output for 760W electricity used. The millennium is less clear on its spec but seems to say 2.65KW output but doesn't quote input. mikej |
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"Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Jerry." wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Grunff" wrote in message ... Huge wrote: Life's too short, though. I know what you mean - I colour code all his posts, a lovely orange, so I can read them when I have some time to waste... Very wise. You will be very much educated by doing so. Not by the village idiot though... Are you still inhaling nicotine on mass scale? No ! I'm a non smoker, but a non bigoted one like you... Nice to know. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/2003 |
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"mike.james" wrote in message
... "Grunff" wrote in message ... John Rumm wrote: I wonder how the "recovered" heat works out cost wise compared to the CH since the heat recovery is supposed to be more than 100% efficent... if it is cheap enough (and you have a TRV on the radiator) it might be worth using. I'm a little dubious... But I'd be interested in any heat efficiency figures, just from a curiosity point of view. The delongi unit from the same supplier quotes - 2.4Kw heat output for 760W electricity used. The millennium is less clear on its spec but seems to say 2.65KW output but doesn't quote input. It does mention 4.1A @ 220V, so it looks like a very similar heat-pump efficiency. |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Grunff" wrote in message ... derek wrote: OTOH aircon units are noisy, expensive to buy and to run, and create cold spots. Installation requires substantial construction work and several specialist trades. ??? Your comment : " The hardest part was the 3" hole through the 2' wall" refers. Someone else mentioned using mechanical handling to get the 60lb compressor mounted high on the outside wall. Sure, it's not hanging up a picture, but certainly not "substantial construction work and several specialist trades". Most uk.d-i-yers do this kind of thing all the time. As for getting the compressor up a ladder, I think two ladders and two people would be sufficient. No disrespect or criticism intended, I read your original informative post with interest. The one I replied to by 666_ made a series of unsupportable comments about ceiling fans. No offence taken - but I've been there with fans, and they are better than nothing, and can be adequate if the insulation and light input are ok, but it just isn't the same as aircon. Nothing feels quite as nice as walking into an air conditioned room on a hot summers day. It plays havoc with the body's metabolism. That is why in the USA they revert to serial killing, which crept into the UK when we started this a/c thing. So, overall a/c is dangerous to society at large because: What a strange little person you are. I suppose Jack the Ripper was a Victorian Aircon engineer then? 1) The needless electricity used adds to global warming. 2) Serial killing is now more common. 3) It stops obese people from loosing weight (obese people, who are a menace to society too, overheat too much). 4) This obesity takes its toll on the NHS with self inflicted fatty diseases. 5) Obese people give off far too much flatulence adding to the ozone layer destruction. 6) Obese people don't walk driving everywhere adding to global warming. Personally I reckon the hot air you generate with your strange pontifications is a far larger contributer to global warming than almost any other single factor. So a/c units are bad all around. Cheers Clive |
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In message , IMM
writes It plays havoc with the body's metabolism. That is why in the USA they revert to serial killing, which crept into the UK when we started this a/c thing. So, overall a/c is dangerous to society at large because: 1) The needless electricity used adds to global warming. 2) Serial killing is now more common. 3) It stops obese people from loosing weight (obese people, who are a menace to society too, overheat too much). 4) This obesity takes its toll on the NHS with self inflicted fatty diseases. 5) Obese people give off far too much flatulence adding to the ozone layer destruction. 6) Obese people don't walk driving everywhere adding to global warming. So a/c units are bad all around. I'm going to frame this and put it on the wall -- geoff |
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writes "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: Maxie, now stop all this tomfoolery. How can you deprive the masses of my 'wisdom?' A very good question. We have been pondering it for some time, on grounds of public health and safety. Dear snotty uni person, I recommend lots of bedrest then visit the clinic. Isn't that your doctor's advice - please take it -- geoff |
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It plays havoc with the body's metabolism. That is why in the USA they revert to serial killing, which crept into the UK when we started this a/c thing. Nah, thats the chemicals leaching out of the plastic pipes they use over there. Oh.... sorry, wrong thread. Darren - scared to go into his airconditioned machine room incase of serial killers... |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... snip It plays havoc with the body's metabolism. That is why in the USA they revert to serial killing, which crept into the UK when we started this a/c thing. So, overall a/c is dangerous to society at large because: 1) The needless electricity used adds to global warming. 2) Serial killing is now more common. 3) It stops obese people from loosing weight (obese people, who are a menace to society too, overheat too much). 4) This obesity takes its toll on the NHS with self inflicted fatty diseases. 5) Obese people give off far too much flatulence adding to the ozone layer destruction. 6) Obese people don't walk driving everywhere adding to global warming. So a/c units are bad all around. Talk about ROFLO..... You make a village idiot sound like Albert Einstein ! :~( |
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:52:09 +0000, geoff wrote:
Ceiling fans on slow speed are near enough totaly silent and make rooms very comfortable No they don't. Well they do in Thailand and Malaysia I'm sure they don't there either. They certainly do Thank you. I don't want to be cool, I want to be comfortable. Hear, hear and s/cool/cold/ Even this years summer was not as hot as the above places and the humidity was nothing like it either. And yet still far too unpleasant for a ceiling fan to be any use at all. You thought that was hot ? Quite. It doesn't get unbearably hot until the low 40'sC. Last time I was in "hot" it was 43C in Elat, 6l of water/day and I was only just keeping up my normal urine rate. That was dry heat so you didn't drip. Thailand and Malaysia where humid but only in the 30'sC so not a serious problem. Bit of shock coming from Beijing at sub zero temps to Bangkok at 30C though... -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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In message , Jerry.
writes "IMM" wrote in message ... snip It plays havoc with the body's metabolism. That is why in the USA they revert to serial killing, which crept into the UK when we started this a/c thing. So, overall a/c is dangerous to society at large because: 1) The needless electricity used adds to global warming. 2) Serial killing is now more common. 3) It stops obese people from loosing weight (obese people, who are a menace to society too, overheat too much). 4) This obesity takes its toll on the NHS with self inflicted fatty diseases. 5) Obese people give off far too much flatulence adding to the ozone layer destruction. 6) Obese people don't walk driving everywhere adding to global warming. So a/c units are bad all around. Talk about ROFLO..... You make a village idiot sound like Albert Einstein ! :~( Don't talk that way about my mate John. He is always trying (very) -- geoff |
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Liquorice writes Quite. It doesn't get unbearably hot until the low 40'sC. Last time I was in "hot" it was 43C in Elat, 6l of water/day and I was only just keeping up my normal urine rate. That was dry heat so you didn't drip. Thailand and Malaysia where humid but only in the 30'sC so not a serious problem. Bit of shock coming from Beijing at sub zero temps to Bangkok at 30C though... Singapore to English winter - landing with a thin silk shirt on - brrr I find it hard to believe what a nation of wimps we're turning into. -- geoff |
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"geoff" wrote in message news  In message , Dave Liquorice writes Quite. It doesn't get unbearably hot until the low 40'sC. Last time I was in "hot" it was 43C in Elat, 6l of water/day and I was only just keeping up my normal urine rate. That was dry heat so you didn't drip. Thailand and Malaysia where humid but only in the 30'sC so not a serious problem. Bit of shock coming from Beijing at sub zero temps to Bangkok at 30C though... Singapore to English winter - landing with a thin silk shirt on - brrr I find it hard to believe what a nation of wimps we're turning into. Maxie, that is so true. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 06/12/2003 |
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"Nick Finnigan" wrote in message ... "mike.james" wrote in message ... "Grunff" wrote in message ... John Rumm wrote: I wonder how the "recovered" heat works out cost wise compared to the CH since the heat recovery is supposed to be more than 100% efficent... if it is cheap enough (and you have a TRV on the radiator) it might be worth using. I'm a little dubious... But I'd be interested in any heat efficiency figures, just from a curiosity point of view. The delongi unit from the same supplier quotes - 2.4Kw heat output for 760W electricity used. The millennium is less clear on its spec but seems to say 2.65KW output but doesn't quote input. It does mention 4.1A @ 220V, so it looks like a very similar heat-pump efficiency. What is the COP? --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 06/12/2003 |
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"Clive Summerfield" wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "Grunff" wrote in message ... derek wrote: OTOH aircon units are noisy, expensive to buy and to run, and create cold spots. Installation requires substantial construction work and several specialist trades. ??? Your comment : " The hardest part was the 3" hole through the 2' wall" refers. Someone else mentioned using mechanical handling to get the 60lb compressor mounted high on the outside wall. Sure, it's not hanging up a picture, but certainly not "substantial construction work and several specialist trades". Most uk.d-i-yers do this kind of thing all the time. As for getting the compressor up a ladder, I think two ladders and two people would be sufficient. No disrespect or criticism intended, I read your original informative post with interest. The one I replied to by 666_ made a series of unsupportable comments about ceiling fans. No offence taken - but I've been there with fans, and they are better than nothing, and can be adequate if the insulation and light input are ok, but it just isn't the same as aircon. Nothing feels quite as nice as walking into an air conditioned room on a hot summers day. It plays havoc with the body's metabolism. That is why in the USA they revert to serial killing, which crept into the UK when we started this a/c thing. So, overall a/c is dangerous to society at large because: What a strange little person you are. I am not little. I suppose Jack the Ripper was a Victorian Aircon engineer then? The Americans had a/c long before us using ice, hence a/c units are rated in tons, which comes from tons of ice used. Jack the Ripper was American and would be have been exposed to a/c. The a/c is the connection. I'm afraid we have potential serial killers on this ng. They should be stopped from doing what they are doing before it is too late. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 06/12/2003 |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes It plays havoc with the body's metabolism. That is why in the USA they revert to serial killing, which crept into the UK when we started this a/c thing. So, overall a/c is dangerous to society at large because: 1) The needless electricity used adds to global warming. 2) Serial killing is now more common. 3) It stops obese people from loosing weight (obese people, who are a menace to society too, overheat too much). 4) This obesity takes its toll on the NHS with self inflicted fatty diseases. 5) Obese people give off far too much flatulence adding to the ozone layer destruction. 6) Obese people don't walk driving everywhere adding to global warming. So a/c units are bad all around. I'm going to frame this and put it on the wall Maxie, that is encouraging! You should have wisdom in eyeshot. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 06/12/2003 |
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In message , IMM
writes What a strange little person you are. I am not little. I suppose Jack the Ripper was a Victorian Aircon engineer then? The Americans had a/c long before us using ice, hence a/c units are rated in tons, which comes from tons of ice used. Jack the Ripper was American and would be have been exposed to a/c. The a/c is the connection. I'm afraid we have potential serial killers on this ng. They should be stopped from doing what they are doing before it is too late. I think one sacrifice would be perfectly adequate -- geoff |
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5) Obese people give off far too much flatulence adding to the ozone layer destruction. Errrm - I think you will find that flatulence gas is mostly methane - that's a greenhouse gas certainly - but not ozone depleting... If you are going to spout nonsense you could at least try to get some basis in scientific fact. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"Nick Finnigan" wrote in message ... The delongi unit from the same supplier quotes - 2.4Kw heat output for 760W electricity used. The millennium is less clear on its spec but seems to say 2.65KW output but doesn't quote input. It does mention 4.1A @ 220V, so it looks like a very similar heat-pump efficiency. True - I didn't notice that info. Of course these figures have to depend on outside air temp and more data on that would be nice. It seems almost too good to be true that you can fit an air con unit for £500 and not only get cooling in summer but relatively cheap heat in winter - not a main heat source but it reduces the cost of heating using electricity by more than half. mikej |
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geoff wrote: In message , rnet writes In article , "Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:46:25 +0000, Simon Gardner wrote: Ceiling fans on slow speed are near enough totaly silent and make rooms very comfortable No they don't. Well they do in Thailand and Malaysia I'm sure they don't there either. They certainly do I dout it. I have been at similar lattitudes on other continents and they are ****-all use there. It keeps you very slightly less hot. It certainly deson't keep you cool. For that you need aircon. I don't want to be cool, I want to be comfortable. That's right. Under 21 degrees. There is a big difference between a slow 4' ceiling fan and an ordinary stand or table fan. The ceiling fan sets up a gentle (or not so gentle on high...) whole room circulation, the table fan just blows a little bit of air about. Even this years summer was not as hot as the above places and the humidity was nothing like it either. And yet still far too unpleasant for a ceiling fan to be any use at all. You thought that was hot ? It was hot. I had the numbers to prove it. |
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geoff wrote: In message , rnet writes In article , derek wrote: for the few days per year it is so uncomfortably hot. You mis-typed. "For the several months of the year it is so uncomfortably hot." I acknowledge you may not have as much heat-generating electronics around as I do. But a ceiling fan is merely better than nothing. It certainly isn't adequate for getting on for half the year. I prefer a temperature of 21 or lower. Air con is a must. I wouldn't be without it. Give it a few years and you might not have much choice I already have the choice. I choose to exercise it. |
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:55:42 +0000, geoff wrote:
I find it hard to believe what a nation of wimps we're turning into. Agreed, was a bit nippy yesterday afternoon airtemp around -1C Moderate Breeze (F4, 15mph) wind chill down to between -10C and -15C didn't stop No.1 son wanting to go out for a walk, sans hat and mittens. Mind you he wanted to come in get them within 5 mins but we went straight back out again. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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You try working in a home office with several PCs running. Jesus H. YOU try working in a tin topped uninsulated factory unit in Johannesburg, with intenal temperatures goind up top 40C, and the heatsink you left in the sun, measuring 55C BEFORE YOU EVEN SWITCHED IT ON. I remember complaining to my boss that I could no longer work as my sweat was making the ink run on the circuit I was drawing. "No problem" he said. "Today we drink beer instead?" So we did. Sleeping at night in a tin topped house with no insulation was equally hard. But possible. Ive been in full humidity 40C + conditions (Mexico), and near Death Valley, been up and about by day peaking around 55C and at night something like 50C without aircon. And in this country you whinge if it gets over 30C. Wusses the lot of you. |
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A very good and sensible post. If you put in extra insulation the cooling load would be less. Up to the point at which the inside air temperature is equal to the external, at which point insulation is totally useless. In fact, at this point, floor insulation - which isolates the floor from the always cooler ground, is, in fact, counter productive. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/2003 |
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Untimely airconditioning thread
IMM wrote:
It plays havoc with the body's metabolism. That is why in the USA they revert to serial killing, which crept into the UK when we started this a/c thing. My God. Is this guy for real? The secret of Myra Hindly is out. She had AIR CONDITIONING!!! So, overall a/c is dangerous to society at large because: 1) The needless electricity used adds to global warming. True. So what? So does youir constant hot air production. 2) Serial killing is now more common. No, its not. 3) It stops obese people from loosing weight (obese people, who are a menace to society too, overheat too much). I don't think so.Eating rap food and doing no exercise makes people fat. You are more likley to be active in aircon than not. I know. Ive done both had both. 4) This obesity takes its toll on the NHS with self inflicted fatty diseases. 5) Obese people give off far too much flatulence adding to the ozone layer destruction. 6) Obese people don't walk driving everywhere adding to global warming. I challenge you to walk 10 miles in 85% humidity and 40C plus temperatures anyway. So a/c units are bad all around. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/2003 |
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