Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their retail variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

Richard

On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 08:20:42 UTC+1, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their retail variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

Richard

I have been buying these on ebay for 3 years. I use them inter alia with Energizer rechargeable AA + AAA cells depending on the use. They have the same spec as the branded stuff.

On 12/10/16 08:20, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their retail variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

Richard

Probably identical except they dont have to pay for national TV advertising.


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equipment! (grin)

On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 08:20:42 UTC+1, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their retail variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

Richard

Tests have shown that brand makes little difference to performance in most cases. The well advertised brands are not exceptions.


NT

On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 08:41:54 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/10/16 08:20, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their retail variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

Richard

Probably identical except they dont have to pay for national TV advertising.


The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the company you work for. It's my second choice for batteries and a 'no brainer/ when buying PP3s as they are only about a quid each and so much better than the pound shop 2 for a quid.
1st choice being GP AA and AAA as they are cheaper and good enough for our studetns to blow fuses and LEDs with.

On 12/10/16 10:05, wrote:

Tests have shown that brand makes little difference to performance in most cases. The well advertised brands are not exceptions.

I'm more concerned which models leak! (remote controls / test equipment)

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In article ,
Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at
Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops
and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their
retail variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

In the day, used to get through hundreds of MN 1604 with radio mics. We
bought Duracell Pro in bulk. On accasion, when running out on location,
we'd get the ordinary ones from the nearest supermarket, etc. Can't really
say I noticed any difference in performance.

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Adrian Caspersz wrote:

wrote:

Tests have shown that brand makes little difference to performance
in most cases. The well advertised brands are not exceptions.

I'd have expected Duracell consumer/pro cells to roll off the same
production line, maybe the differences shown in tests are due to
different freshness?

I'm more concerned which models leak! (remote controls / test equipment)

I've had Duracell Pro/Industrial ones leak.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 08:41:54 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 12/10/16 08:20, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries
at Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal
gold tops and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper
than their retail variants but how do they compare power and
duration wise?

Richard

Probably identical except they dont have to pay for national TV
advertising.


The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't
nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the
company you work for.

Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

Or do you really think you are the only organisation that uses them?

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On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 11:09:28 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 08:41:54 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 12/10/16 08:20, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries
at Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal
gold tops and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper
than their retail variants but how do they compare power and
duration wise?

Richard

Probably identical except they dont have to pay for national TV
advertising.


The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't
nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the
company you work for.

Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

No.
Can you buy these battereis in poundshop and supermarkets ?
Why only sell them in packs of 10 ?


Or do you really think you are the only organisation that uses them?

We're not Industrial.

They replace the previous procells.

from the info.
Industrial by Duracell batteries are built to higher standards, to perform better in high-drain applications. Theyre the top choice in TV film sets, on movie sets and on production lines. Theyre bulk packed, in boxes of 10, reducing packaging costs and resulting in a lower price for you. This packaging also reduces waste, to help you €œgo green€�.

why doesn;t the general public want battereis that are better in high current applications and no one wants green packaging or to save money via reduced costs.

Try thinking about it, if at all possible, loko at the evidence.

On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 10:51:44 UTC+1, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 12/10/16 10:05, tabbypurr wrote:

Tests have shown that brand makes little difference to performance in most cases. The well advertised brands are not exceptions.

I'm more concerned which models leak! (remote controls / test equipment)

all do.


NT

On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 11:41:39 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:

from the info.
Industrial by Duracell batteries are built to higher standards, to perform better in high-drain applications. Theyre the top choice in TV film sets, on movie sets and on production lines. Theyre bulk packed, in boxes of 10, reducing packaging costs and resulting in a lower price for you. This packaging also reduces waste, to help you €œgo green€�.

guff guff

why doesn;t the general public want battereis that are better in high current applications and no one wants green packaging or to save money via reduced costs.

Try thinking about it, if at all possible, loko at the evidence.

what evidence?


NT

On 12/10/2016 11:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't
nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the
company you work for.

Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

Or do you really think you are the only organisation that uses them?


Some prisons use them because the staff bring their dead AA batteries in
and swap them for the batteries in the prison TV set remotes. It's
thought that this is a deterrent because of the searches on the way out.

Bill

On 12/10/16 11:48, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 10:51:44 UTC+1, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 12/10/16 10:05, tabbypurr wrote:

Tests have shown that brand makes little difference to performance in most cases. The well advertised brands are not exceptions.


Favourite cell, Kodak Alkaline from Poundland, 6 for a pound.

I'm more concerned which models leak! (remote controls / test equipment)

all do.

I do remember long ago Duracell had a guarantee on their cells that
confidently said that their cells did not leak, and that they would
repair or replace any equipment that suffered if they did.

That promise has mysteriously disappeared or been hushed. Anyone find it
online?

When I've lain electronics down for a long while it's a pain to check
and remove the cells. Ruined a good camera once

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On 12/10/2016 10:05, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 08:20:42 UTC+1, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their retail variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

Richard

Tests have shown that brand makes little difference to performance in most cases. The well advertised brands are not exceptions.

Most of the sets of test results I have seen at moderate loads (~200mA),
show a spread of around 0.5Ah between the best and worst AA alkalines.
Which is a reasonable significant difference on a cell with a total
capacity in the 2 to 3Ah range.


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On 12/10/2016 11:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't
nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the
company you work for.
Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

Or do you really think you are the only organisation that uses them?

I don't expect the original logic applies now but I think the Duracell
Procell brand was conceived before Ebay, Amazon etc became established.
At that time they weren't easy for the general public to obtain and
could only be bought through wholesalers and trade distributors. Any
employee found with them in their possession would have had difficulty
explaining how they purchased them. Even if an accusation of theft
couldn't be made to stick the difficulty of explaining how you'd
acquired them was probably quite a good deterrent.

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On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 11:50:18 UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 11:41:39 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:

from the info.
Industrial by Duracell batteries are built to higher standards, to perform better in high-drain applications. Theyre the top choice in TV film sets, on movie sets and on production lines. Theyre bulk packed, in boxes of 10, reducing packaging costs and resulting in a lower price for you. This packaging also reduces waste, to help you €œgo green€�.

guff guff

why doesn;t the general public want battereis that are better in high current applications and no one wants green packaging or to save money via reduced costs.

Try thinking about it, if at all possible, loko at the evidence.

what evidence?

Work out why standard outlets that comsumers tend to buy battereis at don;t stock thses versions. if you think it;s because NO ONE wants cheap batteries that are high power and are enviromentally packaged and therefor 'green', then perhaps it's time you showed some evidence of what yuo believe.

The evidence that no one wants wants cheap batteries that are high power and are enviromentally packaged.....

https://www.duracell.co.uk/

called durcell ultra.


or you could read between the lines here.
http://professional.duracell.com/en/industrial

Or you can tell me what's so specail about Pro users ?

On 12/10/2016 13:19, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
I do remember long ago Duracell had a guarantee on their cells that
confidently said that their cells did not leak, and that they would
repair or replace any equipment that suffered if they did.

Wasn't that Ray-o Vac?

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In article ,
Mike Clarke wrote:
On 12/10/2016 11:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't
nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the
company you work for.
Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

Or do you really think you are the only organisation that uses them?

I don't expect the original logic applies now but I think the Duracell
Procell brand was conceived before Ebay, Amazon etc became established.
At that time they weren't easy for the general public to obtain and
could only be bought through wholesalers and trade distributors. Any
employee found with them in their possession would have had difficulty
explaining how they purchased them. Even if an accusation of theft
couldn't be made to stick the difficulty of explaining how you'd
acquired them was probably quite a good deterrent.

In the 1960s at BBC TV Centre, the sound maintenance dept had a large box
marked "Used U2s". Portable recorders always went out with new batteries,
so these were all part used and very useful.

--
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On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 13:49:28 UTC+1, Mike Clarke wrote:
On 12/10/2016 11:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't
nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the
company you work for.
Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

Or do you really think you are the only organisation that uses them?

I don't expect the original logic applies now but I think the Duracell
Procell brand was conceived before Ebay, Amazon etc became established.
At that time they weren't easy for the general public to obtain and
could only be bought through wholesalers and trade distributors. Any
employee found with them in their possession would have had difficulty
explaining how they purchased them. Even if an accusation of theft
couldn't be made to stick the difficulty of explaining how you'd
acquired them was probably quite a good deterrent.


Yes that's how I remember it, I never said it actually worked did I.
I often hand out these batteries brought for work and given to securataries ,
administraotrs, academics, research students, especially at christmas when they know they'll be doing lots of typing so need them for their mice and keyboards.

But at least NOW I have been getting them to return them for recyling purposes i.e they get a replacement battery.

I give the cheaper GP batteries to students.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff
wouldn't nick them because they are easily identifible as being
brought by the company you work for.

Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

No. Can you buy these battereis in poundshop and supermarkets ?

Is that the only place you buy things from?

Why only sell them in packs of 10 ?

Why do supermarkets not sell AA cells individually?

Why were Procell MN1604 available in individual packs if you wanted that?

Good luck in court if you think every Procell was bought by your
organisation.

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In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 12/10/2016 11:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't
nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the
company you work for.

Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

Or do you really think you are the only organisation that uses them?


Some prisons use them because the staff bring their dead AA batteries in
and swap them for the batteries in the prison TV set remotes. It's
thought that this is a deterrent because of the searches on the way out.

You have some very odd friends.

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In article ,
Mike Clarke wrote:
On 12/10/2016 11:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't
nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the
company you work for.
Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

Or do you really think you are the only organisation that uses them?

I don't expect the original logic applies now but I think the Duracell
Procell brand was conceived before Ebay, Amazon etc became established.
At that time they weren't easy for the general public to obtain and
could only be bought through wholesalers and trade distributors. Any
employee found with them in their possession would have had difficulty
explaining how they purchased them. Even if an accusation of theft
couldn't be made to stick the difficulty of explaining how you'd
acquired them was probably quite a good deterrent.

Think you'll find the main reason a large user bought them was they were
considerably cheaper than 'branded' ones. And unless a work place searched
everyone each time they left, do you really think an 'odd' brand would put
people off nicking them?

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In article ,
charles wrote:
I don't expect the original logic applies now but I think the Duracell
Procell brand was conceived before Ebay, Amazon etc became
established. At that time they weren't easy for the general public to
obtain and could only be bought through wholesalers and trade
distributors. Any employee found with them in their possession would
have had difficulty explaining how they purchased them. Even if an
accusation of theft couldn't be made to stick the difficulty of
explaining how you'd acquired them was probably quite a good
deterrent.

In the 1960s at BBC TV Centre, the sound maintenance dept had a large
box marked "Used U2s". Portable recorders always went out with new
batteries, so these were all part used and very useful.

Likewise with radio mics. Batteries were usually changed as a precaution -
not when fully exhausted. So plenty of usable ones available for the
asking.

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On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 13:38:20 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 12/10/2016 10:05, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 08:20:42 UTC+1, Tricky Dicky wrote:

Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their retail variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

Richard

Tests have shown that brand makes little difference to performance in most cases. The well advertised brands are not exceptions.

Most of the sets of test results I have seen at moderate loads (~200mA),
show a spread of around 0.5Ah between the best and worst AA alkalines.
Which is a reasonable significant difference on a cell with a total
capacity in the 2 to 3Ah range.

but only for a small minority of brands. Price, advertising and bunnies have nothing to do with how much you get.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...413b16f948ed04

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/e...6/overview.htm

http://www.batteryshowdown.com/index.html

http://www.varta-consumer.com/~/medi...y_testing.ashx


NT

On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 13:51:41 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 11:50:18 UTC+1, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 11:41:39 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:

from the info.
Industrial by Duracell batteries are built to higher standards, to perform better in high-drain applications. Theyre the top choice in TV film sets, on movie sets and on production lines. Theyre bulk packed, in boxes of 10, reducing packaging costs and resulting in a lower price for you. This packaging also reduces waste, to help you €œgo green€�.

guff guff

why doesn;t the general public want battereis that are better in high current applications and no one wants green packaging or to save money via reduced costs.

Try thinking about it, if at all possible, loko at the evidence.

what evidence?

Work out why standard outlets that comsumers tend to buy battereis at don;t stock thses versions. if you think it;s because NO ONE wants cheap batteries that are high power and are enviromentally packaged and therefor 'green', then perhaps it's time you showed some evidence of what yuo believe.

The evidence that no one wants wants cheap batteries that are high power and are enviromentally packaged.....

https://www.duracell.co.uk/

called durcell ultra.


or you could read between the lines here.
http://professional.duracell.com/en/industrial

Or you can tell me what's so specail about Pro users ?

If a bunny video is evidence of anything then I'm a 4 eyed tree frog. You sound confused.


NT

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 00:25:35 -0700, Simon Mason wrote:

On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 08:20:42 UTC+1, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at
Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops
and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their
retail variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

Richard

I have been buying these on ebay for 3 years. I use them inter alia with
Energizer rechargeable AA + AAA cells depending on the use. They have
the same spec as the branded stuff.

These days, they are what I usually get from CPC. Unless the Energizer
ones are on the (fairly frequent) special offer!



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So why do they bother to make them differently marked. I'd have thought if
its the same design, making them as different designs on the labels was an
unnecessary cost, unless they have some kind of fiddle that they do to make
more money out of them in some way.
I remember when cassette tapes were around that could record Hi Fi, Maxell
were expensive but the same ones were made as Hitachi and other own brand
ones with a lower price. Basf used to do the same with whsmith, and 3M with
currys.
I never did understand the logic.
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On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 08:20:42 UTC+1, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Bought a couple of boxes of AAA and AA Duracell industrial Batteries at
Toolstation and was wondering how they compared to the normal gold tops
and ultras available retail. They were certainly cheaper than their retail
variants but how do they compare power and duration wise?

Richard

I have been buying these on ebay for 3 years. I use them inter alia with
Energizer rechargeable AA + AAA cells depending on the use. They have the
same spec as the branded stuff.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:19:55 +0100, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 12/10/16 11:48, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 10:51:44 UTC+1, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 12/10/16 10:05, tabbypurr wrote:

Tests have shown that brand makes little difference to performance in
most cases. The well advertised brands are not exceptions.


Favourite cell, Kodak Alkaline from Poundland, 6 for a pound.

I'm more concerned which models leak! (remote controls / test
equipment)

all do.

I do remember long ago Duracell had a guarantee on their cells that
confidently said that their cells did not leak, and that they would
repair or replace any equipment that suffered if they did.

That promise has mysteriously disappeared or been hushed. Anyone find it
online?

When I've lain electronics down for a long while it's a pain to check
and remove the cells. Ruined a good camera once

I dug a Duracell C cell out of a small slide viewer last week. A bit of a
mess.

Cleaned up the contacts with a brass brish in the Dremel. Still wouldn't
work.

Turns out that the new cells were fractionally bigger and they jammed
against ribs in the case. Dremeled the ribs down a bit...



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On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:42:16 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff
wouldn't nick them because they are easily identifible as being
brought by the company you work for.

Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

No. Can you buy these battereis in poundshop and supermarkets ?

Is that the only place you buy things from?

The cheats place for batteries it seems.

Why only sell them in packs of 10 ?

Why do supermarkets not sell AA cells individually?

because very few products take single cells.
Now why don;t yuo tell me why they don;t stock the industrail durecell battery range.


Why were Procell MN1604 available in individual packs if you wanted that?

were they.



Good luck in court if you think every Procell was bought by your
organisation.

I don't why are you suggesting that because you've lost yet again.

The idea behind procell and it's implementation changed with the internet.

Do you think ebay is teh cheatest place to buy electrnic componets the traic yuo paid 30 bob for.

On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:52:21 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
I don't expect the original logic applies now but I think the Duracell
Procell brand was conceived before Ebay, Amazon etc became
established. At that time they weren't easy for the general public to
obtain and could only be bought through wholesalers and trade
distributors. Any employee found with them in their possession would
have had difficulty explaining how they purchased them. Even if an
accusation of theft couldn't be made to stick the difficulty of
explaining how you'd acquired them was probably quite a good
deterrent.

In the 1960s at BBC TV Centre, the sound maintenance dept had a large
box marked "Used U2s". Portable recorders always went out with new
batteries, so these were all part used and very useful.

Likewise with radio mics. Batteries were usually changed as a precaution -
not when fully exhausted. So plenty of usable ones available for the
asking.

I do that here typically 30 or 40 battereis if not more over a 2 week period.
30 PP3s ready for my next order in 30mins or so.
2 weeks ago I ordered ~160 AAs.

Studetns use them in the simple skills experiment. After the two weeks I test the batteries if they have 30% and 70% they get put in the 'tea' room for staff to take. 80% get put back in stock for reuse.
30% go in a specail battery recyle bin.

On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:52:59 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Mike Clarke wrote:
On 12/10/2016 11:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff wouldn't
nick them because they are easily identifible as being brought by the
company you work for.
Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a note of?

Or do you really think you are the only organisation that uses them?

I don't expect the original logic applies now but I think the Duracell
Procell brand was conceived before Ebay, Amazon etc became established.
At that time they weren't easy for the general public to obtain and
could only be bought through wholesalers and trade distributors. Any
employee found with them in their possession would have had difficulty
explaining how they purchased them. Even if an accusation of theft
couldn't be made to stick the difficulty of explaining how you'd
acquired them was probably quite a good deterrent.

Think you'll find the main reason a large user bought them was they were
considerably cheaper than 'branded' ones.

But only by large users as you say.


And unless a work place searched
everyone each time they left, do you really think an 'odd' brand would put
people off nicking them?

Yes.

Do you really think that colouring diesel red would put people off using it. ?
Do you think putting "not for human consumption" puts people of ingesting some chemicals.

It was mainly aimed atv factories and lareg institions that if suspicious could ask to see teh batteries in yuor walkman or even those just in your pocket.

Any employee could claim I brought them in the local shop, no I didn;lt keep the reciept, but on revealing procell batteries were present would prove that the person stole them and didn't buy them at the local shop.

Any employee found with procells in their pocket or equipment could only have got them from one place, that was the point of the lableing them originally.

Adrian Caspersz wrote:

I do remember long ago Duracell had a guarantee on their cells that
confidently said that their cells did not leak, and that they would
repair or replace any equipment that suffered if they did.

That promise has mysteriously disappeared or been hushed. Anyone find it
online?

I've heard people on other groups saying it still applies, probably
limited to USA, e.g.

"If not completely satisfied with your Duracell battery product, call
1-800-551-2355 (9:00AM €“ 5:00PM EST). Duracell guarantees its batteries
against defects in materials and workmanship. Should any device be
damaged due to a battery defect, we will repair or replace it at our
option. Leaking battery and damaged device must be provided as proof of
claim."

https://www.duracell.com/en-us/technology/battery-care-use-and-disposal

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:42:16 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff
wouldn't nick them because they are easily identifible as being
brought by the company you work for.

Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a
note of?

No. Can you buy these battereis in poundshop and supermarkets ?

Is that the only place you buy things from?

The cheats place for batteries it seems.

You cheat with batteries?

Why only sell them in packs of 10 ?

Why do supermarkets not sell AA cells individually?

because very few products take single cells.

And just what takes 10?


Now why don;t yuo tell me why they don;t stock the industrail durecell
battery range.

Is that the only brand your supermarket or poundshop doesn't sell?

Why were Procell MN1604 available in individual packs if you wanted
that?

were they.

Yes. From BBC stores at one point. Likely to to with H&S - knowing the BBC.



Good luck in court if you think every Procell was bought by your
organisation.

I don't why are you suggesting that because you've lost yet again.

Really? You don't think the fact that Procell were cheaper to a large
buyer of such things made any difference?

The idea behind procell and it's implementation changed with the
internet.

In a flash, I take it. Remember the ads well.
'Due to the arrival of the internet, Duracell have changed their branding'

Do you think ebay is teh cheatest place to buy electrnic componets the
traic yuo paid 30 bob for.

How would you know? Your employer doesn't trust you to buy from the best
value supplier. You've said.

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whisky-dave wrote:
Likewise with radio mics. Batteries were usually changed as a
precaution - not when fully exhausted. So plenty of usable ones
available for the asking.

I do that here typically 30 or 40 battereis if not more over a 2 week
period. 30 PP3s ready for my next order in 30mins or so. 2 weeks ago I
ordered ~160 AAs.

Studetns use them in the simple skills experiment. After the two weeks I
test the batteries if they have 30% and 70% they get put in the
'tea' room for staff to take. 80% get put back in stock for reuse. 30%
go in a specail battery recyle bin.

Very expensive power. A few mains power supplies with proper output
protection would soon pay for themselves.

For things like portable appliances, mains ain't an option.

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whisky-dave wrote:
And unless a work place searched everyone each time they left, do you
really think an 'odd' brand would put people off nicking them?

Yes.

Do you really think that colouring diesel red would put people off using
it. ? Do you think putting "not for human consumption" puts people of
ingesting some chemicals.

It was mainly aimed atv factories and lareg institions that if
suspicious could ask to see teh batteries in yuor walkman or even those
just in your pocket.

Any employee could claim I brought them in the local shop, no I didn;lt
keep the reciept, but on revealing procell batteries were present would
prove that the person stole them and didn't buy them at the local shop.

Any employee found with procells in their pocket or equipment could only
have got them from one place, that was the point of the lableing them
originally.

Nice theory. But it hasn't stopped you giving them away to all and sundry,
though? Or do you regard them as yours to do with as you wish?

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On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 16:28:00 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:42:16 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
The idea is/was that companies would buy them and their staff
wouldn't nick them because they are easily identifible as being
brought by the company you work for.

Do they have individual serial numbers on them that you keep a
note of?

No. Can you buy these battereis in poundshop and supermarkets ?

Is that the only place you buy things from?

The cheats place for batteries it seems.

You cheat with batteries?

Why only sell them in packs of 10 ?

Why do supermarkets not sell AA cells individually?

because very few products take single cells.

And just what takes 10?

The 10 way battery holders I have, and my canon motor drive took 12 AAs
Why do you think they sell then in boxes of 12.

https://www.rapidonline.com/conrad-e...ry-x12-51-2130

any more dumb Qs




Now why don;t yuo tell me why they don;t stock the industrail durecell
battery range.

Is that the only brand your supermarket or poundshop doesn't sell?

It's the ones I'm looking for yes. I want branded batteries.




Why were Procell MN1604 available in individual packs if you wanted
that?

were they.

Yes. From BBC stores at one point. Likely to to with H&S - knowing the BBC.

I don;t buy batteries from the BBC.


Good luck in court if you think every Procell was bought by your
organisation.

I don't why are you suggesting that because you've lost yet again.

Really? You don't think the fact that Procell were cheaper to a large
buyer of such things made any difference?

No idea, you'll have to prove it though.
But of course you'll believ anything won't you.

How can yuo make a small range of batteries cheaper than you can make them in bulk anyway ?


The idea behind procell and it's implementation changed with the
internet.

In a flash, I take it. Remember the ads well.
'Due to the arrival of the internet, Duracell have changed their branding'

and some idiot thought all the ******* gettign away with cheap diesel meant for farmers I know we'll add red dye that'll stop them from using it.


Do you think ebay is teh cheatest place to buy electrnic componets the
traic yuo paid 30 bob for.

How would you know? Your employer doesn't trust you to buy from the best
value supplier. You've said.

They do trust us but they are worried by ebay and that they'll be expected to claim the money back if things go wrong.
I buy from ebay for myself and amazon.

We let the studetns buy stuff themsleve from ebay the last on brought an accelerometer that didn;t seem to work so we told him to send it back.
It had a diagonally mark on it which I've heard the manufacueres do on some devices that aren't in spec but can be sold on.
He brought an out of spec product for 20% the price of a working one.
I brought him a working one ADXL335 or something similar we paid about £10 he got his on ebay for £1.50

On 12/10/16 15:06, Brian Gaff wrote:
So why do they bother to make them differently marked. I'd have thought if
its the same design, making them as different designs on the labels was an
unnecessary cost, unless they have some kind of fiddle that they do to make
more money out of them in some way.
I remember when cassette tapes were around that could record Hi Fi, Maxell
were expensive but the same ones were made as Hitachi and other own brand
ones with a lower price. Basf used to do the same with whsmith, and 3M with
currys.
I never did understand the logic.

Bless. Its simple. You take a basic product, and you sell it into the
'utility' market with low branding and a keen price. Then you brand it
and advertise it nationally, and sell to a completely different market -
the stupid Consumer**** market, who think that because its twice the
price, and they saw it on TV, its twice as good.


Brian



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Adrian Caspersz Wrote in message:
On 12/10/16 11:48, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 10:51:44 UTC+1, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 12/10/16 10:05, tabbypurr wrote:

Tests have shown that brand makes little difference to performance in most cases. The well advertised brands are not exceptions.


Favourite cell, Kodak Alkaline from Poundland, 6 for a pound.

I'm more concerned which models leak! (remote controls / test equipment)

all do.

I do remember long ago Duracell had a guarantee on their cells that
confidently said that their cells did not leak, and that they would
repair or replace any equipment that suffered if they did.

That promise has mysteriously disappeared or been hushed. Anyone find it
online?

When I've lain electronics down for a long while it's a pain to check
and remove the cells. Ruined a good camera once

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Yes, that was in the days when Duracell was actually Mallory.

The chief engineer of a large hotel in Manchester took Mallory at
their word, and claimed for hundreds of TV handsets that
suffered corrosion damage. I can't remember the outcome, but I
seem to remember there were two different places of manufacture,
Belgium and somewhere else, and one fared better than the other.

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