Has anyone any experience with taking apart a fold-down wall bed? This was
bought some years ago and unfortunately I don't now have the detailed
instructions which came with it. All I really remember is that the two sets
of enclosed tension springs which govern the balance of the fold-down part
have to be slackened off at some crucial stage of the process, but exactly
when, and exactly what state of fold-down-ness the bed must be at when it's
done, I can't recall at all.

I've contacted the supplier who has said they'll look for the instructions.
My particular model doesn't seem to be in their catalogue any more, though
they have one that appears generally similar, the "Smart" model:
http://www.wallbed.co.uk/wallbed_smart.htm


Many thanks.

On 17/05/16 19:23, Bert Coules wrote:
Has anyone any experience with taking apart a fold-down wall bed? This
was bought some years ago and unfortunately I don't now have the
detailed instructions which came with it. All I really remember is that
the two sets of enclosed tension springs which govern the balance of the
fold-down part have to be slackened off at some crucial stage of the
process, but exactly when, and exactly what state of fold-down-ness the
bed must be at when it's done, I can't recall at all.

I've contacted the supplier who has said they'll look for the
instructions. My particular model doesn't seem to be in their catalogue
any more, though they have one that appears generally similar, the
"Smart" model: http://www.wallbed.co.uk/wallbed_smart.htm

In the US, they are called Murphy Beds if that's any help.

http://www.motivointeriors.com/how-t...d-or-wall-bed/


Not for you but here's an interesting alternative to that concept.

Adaptive space-saving bed snaps into ceiling when not needed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnj4w4dlWMs

--
Adrian C

On 17/05/2016 19:23, Bert Coules wrote:
Has anyone any experience with taking apart a fold-down wall bed? This
was bought some years ago and unfortunately I don't now have the
detailed instructions which came with it. All I really remember is that
the two sets of enclosed tension springs which govern the balance of the
fold-down part have to be slackened off at some crucial stage of the
process, but exactly when, and exactly what state of fold-down-ness the
bed must be at when it's done, I can't recall at all.

I simply unscrewed one, without knowing anything about slackening off
springs, although I held the bed in the position that had minimum
tension on the springs. I survived - as you can tell - and somebody else
reinstalled it without difficulty. This was a Wentel bed IIRC.




I've contacted the supplier who has said they'll look for the
instructions. My particular model doesn't seem to be in their catalogue
any more, though they have one that appears generally similar, the
"Smart" model: http://www.wallbed.co.uk/wallbed_smart.htm


Many thanks.

"GB" wrote:

I simply unscrewed one, without knowing anything about slackening off
springs, although I held the bed in the position that had minimum tension
on the springs.

Thanks for that. I haven't tried to gauge it yet but I imagine that the
minimum-tension position is with the bed approximately halfway up (or down).
And that if the springs are slacked off then, the weight of the bed frame
immediately becomes a fairly prominent factor.

On 17/05/2016 19:23, Bert Coules wrote:
Has anyone any experience with taking apart a fold-down wall bed? This
was bought some years ago and unfortunately I don't now have the
detailed instructions which came with it. All I really remember is that
the two sets of enclosed tension springs which govern the balance of the
fold-down part have to be slackened off at some crucial stage of the
process, but exactly when, and exactly what state of fold-down-ness the
bed must be at when it's done, I can't recall at all.

I've contacted the supplier who has said they'll look for the
instructions. My particular model doesn't seem to be in their catalogue
any more, though they have one that appears generally similar, the
"Smart" model: http://www.wallbed.co.uk/wallbed_smart.htm


Many thanks.



It's going to work in a similar way to an up-and-over garage door. The
spring tension is least with the door open - being just sufficient to
hold it in the up position - and increases as the door is closed, in
order to provide assistance with opening it again.

In order to remove garage door springs, you need to prop the door open
and then unscrew the tensioners.

Extending that analogy to your bed, my starting point would be to remove
the springs with the bed fully up against the wall. However, you
probably can't get at the springs in that position - in which case you
need to fold it down by the least amount that *does* provide access, and
prop it in that position so that it doesn't collapse without its springs.
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On 17/05/2016 20:21, Roger Mills wrote:
On 17/05/2016 19:23, Bert Coules wrote:
Has anyone any experience with taking apart a fold-down wall bed? This
was bought some years ago and unfortunately I don't now have the
detailed instructions which came with it. All I really remember is that
the two sets of enclosed tension springs which govern the balance of the
fold-down part have to be slackened off at some crucial stage of the
process, but exactly when, and exactly what state of fold-down-ness the
bed must be at when it's done, I can't recall at all.

I've contacted the supplier who has said they'll look for the
instructions. My particular model doesn't seem to be in their catalogue
any more, though they have one that appears generally similar, the
"Smart" model: http://www.wallbed.co.uk/wallbed_smart.htm


Many thanks.



It's going to work in a similar way to an up-and-over garage door. The
spring tension is least with the door open - being just sufficient to
hold it in the up position - and increases as the door is closed, in
order to provide assistance with opening it again.

In order to remove garage door springs, you need to prop the door open
and then unscrew the tensioners.

Extending that analogy to your bed, my starting point would be to remove
the springs with the bed fully up against the wall. However, you
probably can't get at the springs in that position - in which case you
need to fold it down by the least amount that *does* provide access, and
prop it in that position so that it doesn't collapse without its springs.

Does this help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfMHbBzhJYE

Roger Mills wrote:

Extending that analogy to your bed, my starting point would be to remove
the springs with the bed fully up against the wall. However, you probably
can't get at the springs in that position - in which case you need to fold
it down by the least amount that *does* provide access, and prop it in
that position so that it doesn't collapse without its springs.

That makes good sense. Thanks. I must have done this (albeit tensioning
rather than the opposite) when I first put the bed together, but annoyingly
I have no memory of it at all.

"ss" wrote:

Does this help...?

Thanks for that. The bed in the video is less sophisticated than the one
I'm working with, in that mine has the springs completely enclosed in sealed
metal housings and they have adjustable tension, but it's interesting that
the American model has a latched position for attaching the bed frame to the
cabinet and that it's at the sort of angle that others have recommended.

I do like the method they use to square up the cabinet: give it a kick.

On 17/05/2016 21:02, Bert Coules wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:

Extending that analogy to your bed, my starting point would be to
remove the springs with the bed fully up against the wall. However,
you probably can't get at the springs in that position - in which case
you need to fold it down by the least amount that *does* provide
access, and prop it in that position so that it doesn't collapse
without its springs.

That makes good sense. Thanks. I must have done this (albeit
tensioning rather than the opposite) when I first put the bed together,
but annoyingly I have no memory of it at all.


I would search on utube and see if you can find similar, the ones I have
looked at all appear to have a locking mechanism for installation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADSsQ9WrhQM

"ss" wrote:

...the ones I have looked at all appear
to have a locking mechanism for installation.

Sorry about that. Trying again...

"ss" wrote:

...the ones I have looked at all appear
to have a locking mechanism for installation.

The fundamental difference is that with mine the spring mechanism is part of
the bed frame rather than the cabinet. The adjusting device is the large
bolt-head:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...0mechanism.jpg

On 18/05/2016 09:49, Bert Coules wrote:
Sorry about that. Trying again...

"ss" wrote:

...the ones I have looked at all appear
to have a locking mechanism for installation.

The fundamental difference is that with mine the spring mechanism is
part of the bed frame rather than the cabinet. The adjusting device is
the large bolt-head:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...0mechanism.jpg


Probably not any good but this looks like a similar type of spring.

http://www.selbywallbedsystems.com/W...t_for_web-.pdf

http://www.selbywallbedsystems.com/Q..._side_view.JPG

"ss" wrote:

Probably not any good but this looks like a similar type of spring...

Very similar in fact, the only real difference seeming to be the extended
"handle" on the adjusting screw. And that site gives 15 degrees from
vertical as the proper position for changing the tension, so it's valuable
confirmation. Many thanks.