On 11/10/2015 08:41, Phi wrote:
A fresh tally of casualties killed in a stampede near the holy city of
Mecca last month has raised the death toll to 1,453, making this year's
incident the deadliest recorded during the hajj.

The figure, compiled by the Associated Press, was gathered from
officials and statements by 19 countries whose citizens were declared
dead at the pilgrimage.

The figure is substantially higher than official Saudi figures. The
kingdom's government had placed the death toll at 769 during the
stampede near Mina, a religious site outside Mecca, where religious
rites are conducted as part of the pilgrimage.

The incident sparked a diplomatic row. Iran, which announced that of 465
of its nationals were killed, blamed regional rival Saudi Arabia for
failing to protect worshippers at Islam's holiest sites and condemning
its leadership.



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Nothing good about Saudi Arabia

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On 11/10/2015 08:41, Phi wrote:
A fresh tally of casualties killed in a stampede near the holy city of
Mecca last month has raised the death toll to 1,453, making this year's
incident the deadliest recorded during the hajj.

The figure, compiled by the Associated Press, was gathered from
officials and statements by 19 countries whose citizens were declared
dead at the pilgrimage.

The figure is substantially higher than official Saudi figures. The
kingdom's government had placed the death toll at 769 during the
stampede near Mina, a religious site outside Mecca, where religious
rites are conducted as part of the pilgrimage.

The incident sparked a diplomatic row. Iran, which announced that of 465
of its nationals were killed, blamed regional rival Saudi Arabia for
failing to protect worshippers at Islam's holiest sites and condemning
its leadership.



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is



Nothing good about Saudi Arabia

They do ship quite a bit of oil.

On 11/10/2015 10:58, Rod Speed wrote:


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On 11/10/2015 08:41, Phi wrote:
A fresh tally of casualties killed in a stampede near the holy city of
Mecca last month has raised the death toll to 1,453, making this year's
incident the deadliest recorded during the hajj.

The figure, compiled by the Associated Press, was gathered from
officials and statements by 19 countries whose citizens were declared
dead at the pilgrimage.

The figure is substantially higher than official Saudi figures. The
kingdom's government had placed the death toll at 769 during the
stampede near Mina, a religious site outside Mecca, where religious
rites are conducted as part of the pilgrimage.

The incident sparked a diplomatic row. Iran, which announced that of 465
of its nationals were killed, blamed regional rival Saudi Arabia for
failing to protect worshippers at Islam's holiest sites and condemning
its leadership.



http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...453/ar-AAfh2yI

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Nothing good about Saudi Arabia

They do ship quite a bit of oil.

And inest an awfully lot of money into the UK economy.

On 11/10/2015 11:00, Bod wrote:
On 11/10/2015 10:58, Rod Speed wrote:


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On 11/10/2015 08:41, Phi wrote:
A fresh tally of casualties killed in a stampede near the holy city of
Mecca last month has raised the death toll to 1,453, making this year's
incident the deadliest recorded during the hajj.

The figure, compiled by the Associated Press, was gathered from
officials and statements by 19 countries whose citizens were declared
dead at the pilgrimage.

The figure is substantially higher than official Saudi figures. The
kingdom's government had placed the death toll at 769 during the
stampede near Mina, a religious site outside Mecca, where religious
rites are conducted as part of the pilgrimage.

The incident sparked a diplomatic row. Iran, which announced that of
465
of its nationals were killed, blamed regional rival Saudi Arabia for
failing to protect worshippers at Islam's holiest sites and condemning
its leadership.



http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...453/ar-AAfh2yI


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Nothing good about Saudi Arabia

They do ship quite a bit of oil.

And invest an awfully lot of money into the UK economy.

Maybe they do, but unfortunately they seem to have this head in the sand
attitude to criticism about most things.
Its about time they got wise and simply only allowed a certain number of
people in at a time. Due to our ability to travel these days, so many more
people can go and visit these places than they were ever intended to
sustain.
Simply trying to limit things by guiding people in via different methods
was shown to have failed some years ago, and apart from some messing around
at the edges, and installing more cctv there seems to be little or no proper
crowd control.
We have seen in the this country what happens when crowd control goes wrong
so its a well studied issue.
They after all are not short of a few bob are they?
Brian

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On 11/10/2015 08:41, Phi wrote:
A fresh tally of casualties killed in a stampede near the holy city of
Mecca last month has raised the death toll to 1,453, making this year's
incident the deadliest recorded during the hajj.

The figure, compiled by the Associated Press, was gathered from
officials and statements by 19 countries whose citizens were declared
dead at the pilgrimage.

The figure is substantially higher than official Saudi figures. The
kingdom's government had placed the death toll at 769 during the
stampede near Mina, a religious site outside Mecca, where religious
rites are conducted as part of the pilgrimage.

The incident sparked a diplomatic row. Iran, which announced that of 465
of its nationals were killed, blamed regional rival Saudi Arabia for
failing to protect worshippers at Islam's holiest sites and condemning
its leadership.



http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...453/ar-AAfh2yI
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Nothing good about Saudi Arabia

They do ship quite a bit of oil.

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 11:37:07 UTC+1, Brian-Gaff wrote:
We have seen in the this country what happens when crowd control goes wrong
so its a well studied issue.

Does Allah want his followers to stampede? Wouldn't he rather they queued nicely?

They're supposed to be reverent people, not football fans.

Owain

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On Sunday, 11 October 2015 11:37:07 UTC+1, Brian-Gaff wrote:
We have seen in the this country what happens when crowd control goes
wrong
so its a well studied issue.

Does Allah want his followers to stampede? Wouldn't he rather they queued
nicely?

WTF!!? Stampede? Next you'll be using 'swarm' to describe them.
If they queued nicely, they'd be English.


They're supposed to be reverent people,
Yeah, right.

not football fans.

Owain

Brian-Gaff wrote

Maybe they do,

No maybe about it.

but unfortunately they seem to have this head in the sand attitude to
criticism about most things.

They do get it right with women drivers.

Its about time they got wise and simply only allowed a certain number of
people in at a time.

Just not feasible with that stoning of the devil
silly stuff that produced so many corpses.

Due to our ability to travel these days, so many more people can go and
visit these places than they were ever intended to sustain.

Simply trying to limit things by guiding people in via different methods
was shown to have failed some years ago, and apart from some messing
around at the edges, and installing more cctv there seems to be little or
no proper crowd control.

Proper crowd control just isn't possible with that many people.

Even the yanks can't manage that with events like the million
man march which doesn’t happen every year and which is a
much smaller scale than what happens there every year.

We have seen in the this country what happens when crowd control goes
wrong so its a well studied issue.

Yes, but there is no way to handle that many completely safely.

Your football matches aren't a patch on what they get numbers wise.

They after all are not short of a few bob are they?

That's not the problem.


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On 11/10/2015 08:41, Phi wrote:
A fresh tally of casualties killed in a stampede near the holy city of
Mecca last month has raised the death toll to 1,453, making this year's
incident the deadliest recorded during the hajj.

The figure, compiled by the Associated Press, was gathered from
officials and statements by 19 countries whose citizens were declared
dead at the pilgrimage.

The figure is substantially higher than official Saudi figures. The
kingdom's government had placed the death toll at 769 during the
stampede near Mina, a religious site outside Mecca, where religious
rites are conducted as part of the pilgrimage.

The incident sparked a diplomatic row. Iran, which announced that of
465
of its nationals were killed, blamed regional rival Saudi Arabia for
failing to protect worshippers at Islam's holiest sites and condemning
its leadership.



http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...453/ar-AAfh2yI
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Nothing good about Saudi Arabia

They do ship quite a bit of oil.

wrote
Brian-Gaff wrote

We have seen in the this country what happens when
crowd control goes wrong so its a well studied issue.

Does Allah want his followers to stampede?

He's never ended up with a Charge of the Light Brigade.

Wouldn't he rather they queued nicely?

They're supposed to be reverent people,

But they are stoning some devil or other at that event.

not football fans.

Numbers arent even in the same ball park.

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 11:51:45 UTC+1, wrote:
On Sunday, 11 October 2015 11:37:07 UTC+1, Brian-Gaff wrote:
We have seen in the this country what happens when crowd control goes wrong
so its a well studied issue.

Does Allah want his followers to stampede?

I'm never sure whether it's Allah or Mohammad not seen a picture of them so I can tell.

Wouldn't he rather they queued nicely?

Nah queueings a very British thing.


They're supposed to be reverent people, not football fans.

Owain

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 12:24:50 UTC+1, Richard wrote:
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WTF!!? Stampede? Next you'll be using 'swarm' to describe them.

The word was used in the original text:

"A fresh tally of casualties killed in a stampede"

If they queued nicely, they'd be English.

If there were English they'd queue nicely :-)

Owain

On Monday, 12 October 2015 12:53:50 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
If there were English they'd queue nicely :-)
Just like the football hooligans do on the way home, eh ?

Football hooligans aren't English, they're yobboes.

Yobboes are universal across countries and cultures.

Owain