In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
But I'd point you at the union I belonged to where new equipment and
working practices came thick and fast. In broadcast.
Grab any new technology and make it work so it becomes essential. Then
negotiate a settlement - if needed - afterwards.

Point of ignorance.. did *new technology* in the broadcast industry
displace labour?

Yes, in many cases. Film, for example, requires more people than tape. But
in a continually expanding industry, you re-train them to a similar skill.


I turned down a job offer at Vinten, Bury St. Edmunds where they were
proposing to remote control TV cameras. ( 1968?) Thinking back, I doubt
that would displace anyone.

They have in areas where camera moves tend to be simple and repeative.
Like say a news studio.

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On 13/06/15 10:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
All it required was sensible negotiations between the workforce and
employer.


I waited the first 30 years of my life for that.

It never happened.

When I met people like you in the workplace, I understood why.


Something you union haters wouldn't approve of.


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On 13/06/15 14:51, Adrian wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:37:04 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

Where is the short term gain from shutting a bankrupt company down?

Well, apart from it being illegal to trade whilst insolvent,

Unless you are a government...

it's the
best way to draw a line under the losses.

If its not bankrupt then you can keep getting dividends so why close it?

If it's not profitable, there's no profits to distribute.


In some cases you will get more from closing it and selling its assets
than you will get by running it.

And that's the other way the shareholders get decent returns - out of
selling their shares.

'Asset stripping' so called by lefty****s was in fact often a valid way
of recycling defunct businesses into new ones.


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On 13/06/15 16:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 10:32:48 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

And automation requires investment...

So now we get back to the fact the unions prevent that investment
because they insisted on keeping the same number of jobs even though
there was no work to do.

All it required was sensible negotiations between the workforce and
employer.

Something you union haters wouldn't approve of.

There's sensible negotiations, and there's pointless negotiations.

If the unions approached the negotiations with a red line through
reducing the number of staff, then the latter is fairly inevitable.

See also: Wapping.

The main print unions were just plain stupid.

s/main print //


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On 13/06/15 16:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian wrote:
Thought you said you were going to think. Not let the Mail do it for
you.

Kneejerk, much?

I remember the '70s and early '80s quite clearly. I remember having to
constantly have candles around because the power went off. I remember
bread being hard to get and bins not being emptied. I remember some
newspapers being unavailable for months on end. I remember the "quality"
of the British motor industry.

And do you remember the various prices and incomes policies where wages
were controlled but prices not? At a time of high inflation. Not
surprising there were strikes.

I remember a lot of people in denial that entire industries couldn't
continue as they'd been for decades, and doing their best to petulantly
sabotage them rather than accept that the world was leaving them behind.

As I said earlier, many of those industries were profitable in similar
high wage countries. Where suitable investment had taken place. Not
something you can do when an industry is failing - it has to be ongoing.

Always someone else's fault isn'ty it?

Why do you think no one *wanted* to invest in British industry?



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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/06/15 10:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
All it required was sensible negotiations between the workforce and
employer.


I waited the first 30 years of my life for that.

It never happened.

No surprise there. People who expess your sort of views are never going to
be accepted by other union members. Nor management, come to that.

When I met people like you in the workplace, I understood why.

Thanks for the compliment.

Something you union haters wouldn't approve of.

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On 14/06/15 18:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/06/15 10:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
All it required was sensible negotiations between the workforce and
employer.


I waited the first 30 years of my life for that.

It never happened.

No surprise there. People who expess your sort of views are never going to
be accepted by other union members. Nor management, come to that.

No. I simply don't have that level of illiteracy, but hey, what has it
to do with me?

I wasn't on either side, just watching deals fail to be done. Oddly when
I did have to deal with actual real people who actually worked, I did
just fine myself.



When I met people like you in the workplace, I understood why.

Thanks for the compliment.

I wonder what youy call an insult. "Tony Blair is not a socialist?"




Something you union haters wouldn't approve of.



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