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Or is he Scottish?

Get your ****ing delete key fixed, bozo.


S0 what difference does one more line make given the number of threads
that go on without any snipping?
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On 2015-01-20, bert ] wrote:
In message , Huge
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On 2015-01-19, bert ] wrote:

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Or is he Scottish?

Get your ****ing delete key fixed, bozo.


S0 what difference does one more line make given the number of threads
that go on without any snipping?

It means you're a **** as well.


Perhaps you're Scottish.
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putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on the
list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

And your time.

Takes even less time with a bread machine than buying
the bread in the shop even if you only get fresh bread
on the weekly shopping run. And you get MUCH
fresher bread than you do from the shop as well.

only the first few hours after it has come out of the machine

from then on it's the same "freshness" as from the supermarket

Maybe you eat up a whole loaf in those few hours

I don't!

tim

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In article , Capitol
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
So back to the quality thing, I find the "baked on the premises rolls"
that most supermarkets do nowadays perfectly adequate quality, a damned
sight better than commercial baked loaves, and I challenge you (again)
to prove that your bread maker does a better job

Tesco do part baked brown seeded rolls - take 10 minutes in a hot oven
to
finish. Very nice too. Keep well enough out of the fridge too.

Careful Dave, you're sounding like a heretic to the religious bread
fanatics on this group!

Yes, Tesco rolls are quite nice and we usually buy them at four for a
quid. But what does this have to do with loaves that I make in my
breadmaker?

The claim was that the bread from the machine was always better than that
from the supermarket

as *my* purchase from the supermarket consists of rolls, that is the target
you have to beat.

It's irrelevant that the breadmaker produces better bread than e.g.
Warburtons white sliced loaf in a plastic bag, because that isn't what I buy

tim

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On 17/01/2015 10:26, ARW wrote:
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of season strawberries each week.

I do wonder if some of these TV presenters actually know
themselves
the price of a pint of milk or loaf of bread?

I have no idea how much a pint of milk or a loaf of bread
is.

But you are not presenting a TV program advising how to save
money on
a £150/week grocery shopping bill.

BTW, I pay 25p/pint for skimmed milk and between 55p and a
95p for a
loaf of bread - the former bread I only regard fit for
toasting or
feeding to ducks.

1) You should *not* be feeding bread to ducks. It's not that
good for
them. Try grain instead.

2) You should not be buying bread, you can make it in a
breadmaker
quite easily and at a lower cost.

Oh, they give breadmakers away for free do they?

Dont need a bread maker. all you need is a bowl and a flat
surface

Maybe a kenwood chef..

you really think that an hour of my time is worth 50P.

no. more like 5p....

I was referring to the saving that I would make for my effort

Less effort to use a bread machine than
to go to the shop to get the bread.

I'm, going to the shop anyway

putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on the
list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

Yep.

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

Because no one makes commercial bread as good as you can make yourself.

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

Nope, mine cost $5 quite literally.

and you dont even have to get the breadmix weekly when you use a
bread machine either.

I need to go to the shops at least once a week to top up with fresh veg

You get much fresher bread if you make it yourself than
if you buy it on the weekly fresh veg shopping run.

or do you have a magic veg maker where you live?

Nope, but I get much fresher bread than what I would
get if I bought it on the weekly veg shopping run.

I actually don't like bread that is even one day old.

So your claim that getting the bread on the weekly fresh veg
run has blown up in your face and covered you with black stuff.

No

I said that I buy a week's bread at one time and put it in the freezer


You'd be much better off with a bread machine, doing loaf a
day of the appropriate size so you dont end up wasting any.

And as I can't eat a whole loaf in one day

You can if you use a bread machine and
make the sized loaf that sees no waste.

what one 2 oz roll per cycle. How "Economic" is that?


tim

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putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on the
list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

And your time.

Takes even less time with a bread machine than buying
the bread in the shop even if you only get fresh bread
on the weekly shopping run. And you get MUCH
fresher bread than you do from the shop as well.

only the first few hours after it has come out of the machine

from then on it's the same "freshness" as from the supermarket

Maybe you eat up a whole loaf in those few hours

I don't!

tim

Local Sainsburys it's often still warm on the shelf
--
bert

tim..... wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Huge wrote
tim..... wrote
Rod Speed wrote

putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on the
list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

And your time.

Takes even less time with a bread machine than buying
the bread in the shop even if you only get fresh bread
on the weekly shopping run. And you get MUCH
fresher bread than you do from the shop as well.

only the first few hours after it has come out of the machine

Its always better than your frozen thawed bread
because with a bread machine you don’t have to
make more than you need immediately and so
never need to freeze anything.

from then on it's the same "freshness" as from the supermarket

Nope. With the bread machine you can do what
you like on how you store it for the few hours till
its all consumed. You get no say on that with the
supermarket, you are stuck with how they do that.

Maybe you eat up a whole loaf in those few hours

I don't!

But you could if you had a bread machine and only
make what you will consume in a few hours and so
don’t need to freeze anything and get to wear the
worse result you get with thawed frozen bread.

You are free to make just one roll at a time
with a bread machine if you want to do that.

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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article , Capitol
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
So back to the quality thing, I find the "baked on the premises rolls"
that most supermarkets do nowadays perfectly adequate quality, a
damned
sight better than commercial baked loaves, and I challenge you (again)
to prove that your bread maker does a better job

Tesco do part baked brown seeded rolls - take 10 minutes in a hot oven
to
finish. Very nice too. Keep well enough out of the fridge too.

Careful Dave, you're sounding like a heretic to the religious bread
fanatics on this group!

Yes, Tesco rolls are quite nice and we usually buy them at four for a
quid. But what does this have to do with loaves that I make in my
breadmaker?

The claim was that the bread from the machine was always better than that
from the supermarket

as *my* purchase from the supermarket consists of rolls, that is the
target you have to beat.

Trivially easy to do that, bread machines make rolls too.

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On 17/01/2015 10:26, ARW wrote:
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of season strawberries each week.

I do wonder if some of these TV presenters actually know
themselves
the price of a pint of milk or loaf of bread?

I have no idea how much a pint of milk or a loaf of bread
is.

But you are not presenting a TV program advising how to save
money on
a £150/week grocery shopping bill.

BTW, I pay 25p/pint for skimmed milk and between 55p and a
95p for a
loaf of bread - the former bread I only regard fit for
toasting or
feeding to ducks.

1) You should *not* be feeding bread to ducks. It's not that
good for
them. Try grain instead.

2) You should not be buying bread, you can make it in a
breadmaker
quite easily and at a lower cost.

Oh, they give breadmakers away for free do they?

Dont need a bread maker. all you need is a bowl and a flat
surface

Maybe a kenwood chef..

you really think that an hour of my time is worth 50P.

no. more like 5p....

I was referring to the saving that I would make for my effort

Less effort to use a bread machine than
to go to the shop to get the bread.

I'm, going to the shop anyway

putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on
the list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

Yep.

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

Because no one makes commercial bread as good as you can make yourself.

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

Nope, mine cost $5 quite literally.

and you dont even have to get the breadmix weekly when you use a
bread machine either.

I need to go to the shops at least once a week to top up with fresh
veg

You get much fresher bread if you make it yourself than
if you buy it on the weekly fresh veg shopping run.

or do you have a magic veg maker where you live?

Nope, but I get much fresher bread than what I would
get if I bought it on the weekly veg shopping run.

I actually don't like bread that is even one day old.

So your claim that getting the bread on the weekly fresh veg
run has blown up in your face and covered you with black stuff.

No

Yep.

I said that I buy a week's bread at one time and put it in the freezer

And that means that you are stuck with thawed frozen
bread for the bulk of the bread you eat. That is MUCH
worse than not ever having to eat any thawed frozen bread
because you use a bread machine to make just what you
will eat on a particular day and dont freeze anything.

You'd be much better off with a bread machine, doing loaf a
day of the appropriate size so you dont end up wasting any.

And as I can't eat a whole loaf in one day

You can if you use a bread machine and
make the sized loaf that sees no waste.

what one 2 oz roll per cycle.

If that is all the bread you eat, sure.

How "Economic" is that?

Still much cheaper than bought bread and you
dont have to wear the thawed frozen bread at all.

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On 2015-01-19, tim..... wrote:

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putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on
the
list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

And your time.

Takes even less time with a bread machine than buying
the bread in the shop even if you only get fresh bread
on the weekly shopping run. And you get MUCH
fresher bread than you do from the shop as well.

only the first few hours after it has come out of the machine

from then on it's the same "freshness" as from the supermarket

Maybe you eat up a whole loaf in those few hours

I don't!

tim

Local Sainsburys it's often still warm on the shelf

But if you want bread like that, you have to go to the
shop every day and that's a lot more effort than doing
a loaf in the bread machine every day and a loaf that
will just last for one day.

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And that means that you are stuck with thawed frozen
bread for the bulk of the bread you eat.

No it doesn't. If you were so inclined you could cut your crusty loaf
into portions and wrap it, or rolls, in tinfoil before putting it in the freezer.

If the bread or rolls are properly wrapped in tinfoil its possible
to warm them out of the freezer - in a double saucepan and have
them coming out of the tinfoil moist, and actually smelling of fresh bread.

Not that I do it all the time, but it can be useful over holidays
when there are no bakers open.



michael adams

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On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 22:20:30 +0000, michael adams wrote:

And that means that you are stuck with thawed frozen bread for the bulk
of the bread you eat.

No it doesn't. If you were so inclined you could cut your crusty loaf
into portions and wrap it, or rolls, in tinfoil before putting it in the
freezer.

If the bread or rolls are properly wrapped in tinfoil its possible to
warm them out of the freezer - in a double saucepan and have them
coming out of the tinfoil moist, and actually smelling of fresh bread.

But it is still thawed frozen bread.

michael adams wrote
Rod Speed wrote

And that means that you are stuck with thawed frozen bread for the bulk
of the bread you eat.

No it doesn't. If you were so inclined you could cut your crusty loaf into
portions and wrap it, or rolls, in tinfoil before putting it in the
freezer.

Still thawed frozen bread.

If the bread or rolls are properly wrapped in tinfoil its possible to warm
them out of the freezer - in a double saucepan and have them coming out
of the tinfoil moist, and actually smelling of fresh bread.

Nothing like real freshly baked bread.

Not that I do it all the time, but it can be useful over holidays when
there are no bakers open.

Those are completely irrelevant when you have a bread machine.

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On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 22:20:30 +0000, michael adams wrote:

And that means that you are stuck with thawed frozen bread for the bulk
of the bread you eat.

No it doesn't. If you were so inclined you could cut your crusty loaf
into portions and wrap it, or rolls, in tinfoil before putting it in the
freezer.

If the bread or rolls are properly wrapped in tinfoil its possible to
warm them out of the freezer - in a double saucepan and have them
coming out of the tinfoil moist, and actually smelling of fresh bread.

But it is still thawed frozen bread.

Thawed frozen bread could be classed as an oxymoron.

And anyway it's not just any old thawed frozen bread.

Its formerly frozen bread, which is carefully thawed in tinfoil, so as to retain
all its moisture


michael adams

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Rod Speed wrote:
Its always better than your frozen thawed bread
because with a bread machine you don’t have to
make more than you need immediately and so
never need to freeze anything.

I probably eat about the equivalent of one roll per day. Would you really
go to the bother of making your own in such a small quantity?

--
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michael adams wrote
Adrian wrote
michael adams wrote

And that means that you are stuck with thawed frozen bread for the bulk
of the bread you eat.

No it doesn't. If you were so inclined you could cut your crusty loaf
into portions and wrap it, or rolls, in tinfoil before putting it in the
freezer.

If the bread or rolls are properly wrapped in tinfoil its possible to
warm them out of the freezer - in a double saucepan and have them
coming out of the tinfoil moist, and actually smelling of fresh bread.

But it is still thawed frozen bread.

Thawed frozen bread could be classed as an oxymoron.

Only by those who don’t understand what an oxymoron is.

And anyway it's not just any old thawed frozen bread.

Still much worse than freshly baked bread.

Its formerly frozen bread, which is carefully thawed in tinfoil, so as to
retain all its moisture

Still much worse than freshly baked bread.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Its always better than your frozen thawed bread
because with a bread machine you don't have to
make more than you need immediately and so
never need to freeze anything.

I probably eat about the equivalent of one roll per day. Would you
really go to the bother of making your own in such a small quantity?

No bother at all. Takes less of my time to do the equivalent
of one roll per day than farting around freezing and thawing.

Even if I only ate it as toast, still more work to toast frozen
slices than to toast bread that has never been frozen.

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tim..... wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Huge wrote
tim..... wrote
Rod Speed wrote

putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on
the list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

And your time.

Takes even less time with a bread machine than buying
the bread in the shop even if you only get fresh bread
on the weekly shopping run. And you get MUCH
fresher bread than you do from the shop as well.

only the first few hours after it has come out of the machine

Its always better than your frozen thawed bread

well of course it is, I don't deny that. But IMHO it's still better than
bread that's been left to go "stale" in the cupboard overnight.

FWIW my sister has exactly the opposite view so YMMV, but mine doesn't!


because with a bread machine you don’t have to
make more than you need immediately and so
never need to freeze anything.

I really don't get the economics of using a bread machine to make one 2 oz
roll

It seems about as (non)sensical as heating up the oven to put in one part
baked roll

you'll have to explain that bit further



from then on it's the same "freshness" as from the supermarket

Nope. With the bread machine you can do what
you like on how you store it for the few hours till
its all consumed. You get no say on that with the
supermarket, you are stuck with how they do that.

Maybe you eat up a whole loaf in those few hours

I don't!

But you could if you had a bread machine and only
make what you will consume in a few hours and so
don’t need to freeze anything and get to wear the
worse result you get with thawed frozen bread.

You are free to make just one roll at a time
with a bread machine if you want to do that.

This isn't about what I "want" to do it's about what you are claiming is
more "economic" for me to do

tim

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Its always better than your frozen thawed bread
because with a bread machine you don't have to
make more than you need immediately and so
never need to freeze anything.

I probably eat about the equivalent of one roll per day. Would you really
go to the bother of making your own in such a small quantity?

No bother at all. Takes less of my time to do the equivalent
of one roll per day than farting around freezing and thawing.

what effort is there in putting a bag of rolls in the freezer

and then

taking them out once a day, 30 minutes before you want to eat it?

Even if I only ate it as toast, still more work to toast frozen slices
than to toast bread that has never been frozen.

rubbish

tim

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In article , Capitol
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
So back to the quality thing, I find the "baked on the premises
rolls"
that most supermarkets do nowadays perfectly adequate quality, a
damned
sight better than commercial baked loaves, and I challenge you
(again)
to prove that your bread maker does a better job

Tesco do part baked brown seeded rolls - take 10 minutes in a hot oven
to
finish. Very nice too. Keep well enough out of the fridge too.

Careful Dave, you're sounding like a heretic to the religious bread
fanatics on this group!

Yes, Tesco rolls are quite nice and we usually buy them at four for a
quid. But what does this have to do with loaves that I make in my
breadmaker?

The claim was that the bread from the machine was always better than that
from the supermarket

as *my* purchase from the supermarket consists of rolls, that is the
target you have to beat.

Trivially easy to do that,

no it's not

the point being that the baked on the premises rolls from the supermarket
are (IMHO) a far superior quality than the commercial baked full loaves, so
the bar that you have to reach is far higher

tim

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On 17/01/2015 10:26, ARW wrote:
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of season strawberries each week.

I do wonder if some of these TV presenters actually know
themselves
the price of a pint of milk or loaf of bread?

I have no idea how much a pint of milk or a loaf of bread
is.

But you are not presenting a TV program advising how to
save money on
a £150/week grocery shopping bill.

BTW, I pay 25p/pint for skimmed milk and between 55p and a
95p for a
loaf of bread - the former bread I only regard fit for
toasting or
feeding to ducks.

1) You should *not* be feeding bread to ducks. It's not that
good for
them. Try grain instead.

2) You should not be buying bread, you can make it in a
breadmaker
quite easily and at a lower cost.

Oh, they give breadmakers away for free do they?

Dont need a bread maker. all you need is a bowl and a flat
surface

Maybe a kenwood chef..

you really think that an hour of my time is worth 50P.

no. more like 5p....

I was referring to the saving that I would make for my effort

Less effort to use a bread machine than
to go to the shop to get the bread.

I'm, going to the shop anyway

putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on
the list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

Yep.

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

Because no one makes commercial bread as good as you can make
yourself.

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

Nope, mine cost $5 quite literally.

and you dont even have to get the breadmix weekly when you use a
bread machine either.

I need to go to the shops at least once a week to top up with fresh
veg

You get much fresher bread if you make it yourself than
if you buy it on the weekly fresh veg shopping run.

or do you have a magic veg maker where you live?

Nope, but I get much fresher bread than what I would
get if I bought it on the weekly veg shopping run.

I actually don't like bread that is even one day old.

So your claim that getting the bread on the weekly fresh veg
run has blown up in your face and covered you with black stuff.

No

Yep.

I said that I buy a week's bread at one time and put it in the freezer

And that means that you are stuck with thawed frozen
bread for the bulk of the bread you eat. That is MUCH
worse

No it isn't

it is slightly worse IMHO

tim

tim..... wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tim..... wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Huge wrote
tim..... wrote
Rod Speed wrote

putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on
the list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

And your time.

Takes even less time with a bread machine than buying
the bread in the shop even if you only get fresh bread
on the weekly shopping run. And you get MUCH
fresher bread than you do from the shop as well.

only the first few hours after it has come out of the machine

Its always better than your frozen thawed bread

well of course it is, I don't deny that. But IMHO it's still better than
bread that's been left to go "stale" in the cupboard overnight.

Sure, but it still makes sense to use a bread machine
instead of freezing and thawing bought bread.

FWIW my sister has exactly the opposite view so YMMV, but mine doesn't!

It does actually, you have just admitted that.

because with a bread machine you don’t have to make more than you need
immediately and so never need to freeze anything.

I really don't get the economics of using a bread machine to make one 2 oz
roll

Yeah, you clearly don’t.

It seems about as (non)sensical as heating up the oven to put in one part
baked roll

Not when you use a small convection
oven or a bread machines.

you'll have to explain that bit further

The electricity use is completely different.

from then on it's the same "freshness" as from the supermarket

Nope. With the bread machine you can do what
you like on how you store it for the few hours till
its all consumed. You get no say on that with the
supermarket, you are stuck with how they do that.

Maybe you eat up a whole loaf in those few hours

I don't!

But you could if you had a bread machine and only
make what you will consume in a few hours and so
don’t need to freeze anything and get to wear the
worse result you get with thawed frozen bread.

You are free to make just one roll at a time
with a bread machine if you want to do that.

This isn't about what I "want" to do it's about what you are claiming is
more "economic" for me to do

I didn’t say that. I said that its cheaper than bought
bread even if you only do one 2 oz roll a day, and
you get a much better result than freezing what
you buy at the shop for a week and thawing that.

tim..... wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Its always better than your frozen thawed bread
because with a bread machine you don't have to
make more than you need immediately and so
never need to freeze anything.

I probably eat about the equivalent of one roll per day. Would you
really go to the bother of making your own in such a small quantity?

No bother at all. Takes less of my time to do the equivalent
of one roll per day than farting around freezing and thawing.

what effort is there in putting a bag of rolls in the freezer

and then

taking them out once a day, 30 minutes before you want to eat it?

More farting around than just putting the breadmix,
water and yeast in the bread machine the night before
so its ready when you want to eat it at breakfast etc.

Even if I only ate it as toast, still more work to toast frozen
slices than to toast bread that has never been frozen.

rubbish

Fact. Its harder to toast than fresh bread.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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So back to the quality thing, I find the "baked on the premises
rolls"
that most supermarkets do nowadays perfectly adequate quality, a
damned
sight better than commercial baked loaves, and I challenge you
(again)
to prove that your bread maker does a better job

Tesco do part baked brown seeded rolls - take 10 minutes in a hot
oven to
finish. Very nice too. Keep well enough out of the fridge too.

Careful Dave, you're sounding like a heretic to the religious bread
fanatics on this group!

Yes, Tesco rolls are quite nice and we usually buy them at four for a
quid. But what does this have to do with loaves that I make in my
breadmaker?

The claim was that the bread from the machine was always better than
that from the supermarket

as *my* purchase from the supermarket consists of rolls, that is the
target you have to beat.

Trivially easy to do that,

no it's not

Corse it is.

the point being that the baked on the premises rolls from the supermarket
are (IMHO) a far superior quality than the commercial baked full loaves,
so the bar that you have to reach is far higher

Still trivially easy to do that over frozen and thawed rolls.

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of season strawberries each week.

I do wonder if some of these TV presenters actually know
themselves
the price of a pint of milk or loaf of bread?

I have no idea how much a pint of milk or a loaf of bread
is.

But you are not presenting a TV program advising how to
save money on
a £150/week grocery shopping bill.

BTW, I pay 25p/pint for skimmed milk and between 55p and a
95p for a
loaf of bread - the former bread I only regard fit for
toasting or
feeding to ducks.

1) You should *not* be feeding bread to ducks. It's not
that good for
them. Try grain instead.

2) You should not be buying bread, you can make it in a
breadmaker
quite easily and at a lower cost.

Oh, they give breadmakers away for free do they?

Dont need a bread maker. all you need is a bowl and a flat
surface

Maybe a kenwood chef..

you really think that an hour of my time is worth 50P.

no. more like 5p....

I was referring to the saving that I would make for my effort

Less effort to use a bread machine than
to go to the shop to get the bread.

I'm, going to the shop anyway

putting a week's bread in the basket is just one of the things on
the list

But you get much better bread with a bread machine

do you

Yep.

how do you know that the bread that I buy isn't as good

Because no one makes commercial bread as good as you can make
yourself.

and its cheaper than even the cheapest in the shop

only if you ignore the cost of the bread maker

Nope, mine cost $5 quite literally.

and you dont even have to get the breadmix weekly when you use a
bread machine either.

I need to go to the shops at least once a week to top up with fresh
veg

You get much fresher bread if you make it yourself than
if you buy it on the weekly fresh veg shopping run.

or do you have a magic veg maker where you live?

Nope, but I get much fresher bread than what I would
get if I bought it on the weekly veg shopping run.

I actually don't like bread that is even one day old.

So your claim that getting the bread on the weekly fresh veg
run has blown up in your face and covered you with black stuff.

No

Yep.

I said that I buy a week's bread at one time and put it in the freezer

And that means that you are stuck with thawed frozen bread for the bulk
of the bread you eat. That is MUCH worse

No it isn't

Corse it is.

it is slightly worse IMHO

Your horrible opinion is completely irrelevant on that.

On 22/01/2015 10:04, Rod Speed wrote:
tim..... wrote

Even if I only ate it as toast, still more work to toast frozen
slices than to toast bread that has never been frozen.

rubbish

Fact. Its harder to toast than fresh bread.

You must have led and be leading a remarkably easy life if you count
another 20 seconds in the toaster as 'hard'.

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I really don't get the economics of using a bread machine to make one 2
oz roll

It seems about as (non)sensical as heating up the oven to put in one
part baked roll


Is this about economics or taste?

If you just want cheap bread buy supermarket sliced.

And most ovens have room for other things as well as a part baked roll. ;-)

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RJH wrote:
On 22/01/2015 10:04, Rod Speed wrote:
tim..... wrote

Even if I only ate it as toast, still more work to toast frozen
slices than to toast bread that has never been frozen.

rubbish

Fact. Its harder to toast than fresh bread.

You must have led and be leading a remarkably easy life if you count
another 20 seconds in the toaster as 'hard'.


But think of all the energy you've wasted freezing it - and that extra
time in the toaster. ;-)

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Thawed frozen bread could be classed as an oxymoron.

Only by those who don’t understand what an oxymoron is.


So you're claiming are you that bread, or anything else for that
matter, can be both thawed and frozen at the same time ?

Wouldn't either process defeat the purpose of the other ?


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michael adams wrote
Adrian wrote
michael adams wrote

And that means that you are stuck with thawed frozen bread for the bulk
of the bread you eat.

No it doesn't. If you were so inclined you could cut your crusty loaf
into portions and wrap it, or rolls, in tinfoil before putting it in the
freezer.

If the bread or rolls are properly wrapped in tinfoil its possible to
warm them out of the freezer - in a double saucepan and have them
coming out of the tinfoil moist, and actually smelling of fresh bread.

But it is still thawed frozen bread.

Thawed frozen bread could be classed as an oxymoron.

Only by those who don't understand what an oxymoron is.

But it can bre bt those that understand English whixch is where you fail.
The reason is that Frozen and thawed are two differnt states of the bread.
You can't have a frozen thawed load.
In the same way you can't have raw cooked meat.

And anyway it's not just any old thawed frozen bread.

Still much worse than freshly baked bread.

what do you mean by much worse is that worse than being worse and to what degree.


Its formerly frozen bread, which is carefully thawed in tinfoil, so as to
retain all its moisture

Still much worse than freshly baked bread.

RJH wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tim..... wrote

Even if I only ate it as toast, still more work to toast frozen
slices than to toast bread that has never been frozen.

rubbish

Fact. Its harder to toast than fresh bread.

You must have led and be leading a remarkably easy life if you count
another 20 seconds in the toaster as 'hard'.

It isn't the time that matters, it’s the thawing you have to
do first, or the worse result you get with very thick slices.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
tim..... wrote

I really don't get the economics of using
a bread machine to make one 2 oz roll

It seems about as (non)sensical as heating
up the oven to put in one part baked roll

Is this about economics or taste?

Both. I have previously said that using a bread machine
not only gives you a MUCH better taste than with frozen
and thawed supermarket bread, but its cheaper as well.

If you just want cheap bread buy supermarket sliced.

No thanks, I make it in the bread machine and get it cheaper
than the supermarket and tastes much better as well.

And most ovens have room for other things as well as a part baked roll.
;-)

Sure, but you arent necessarily cooking anything
else in the oven at that time, particularly if you
are only having the roll for breakfast. Even with
evening meal, I hardly ever use the big wall oven
anymore, normally use one of the small convection
ovens. And even with those, I often do a baked
potato in one for the evening meal but that isn't
the right temperature for the part baked roll and
I don’t personally have any bread with my evening
meal anyway.

michael adams wrote
Rod Speed wrote
michael adams wrote

Thawed frozen bread could be classed as an oxymoron.

Only by those who don’t understand what an oxymoron is.

So you're claiming are you that bread, or anything else for that matter,
can be both thawed and frozen at the same time ?

No, the freezing and thawing are obviously at different times,
not the same time.

Wouldn't either process defeat the purpose of the other ?

Not when you want to see the bread keep longer when
frozen and prefer to eat it at room temperature and so
need to thaw it to see it back at room temp again.

whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
michael adams wrote
Adrian wrote
michael adams wrote

And that means that you are stuck with thawed
frozen bread for the bulk of the bread you eat.

No it doesn't. If you were so inclined you could
cut your crusty loaf into portions and wrap it,
or rolls, in tinfoil before putting it in the freezer.

If the bread or rolls are properly wrapped in tinfoil its possible to
warm them out of the freezer - in a double saucepan and have them
coming out of the tinfoil moist, and actually smelling of fresh bread.

But it is still thawed frozen bread.

Thawed frozen bread could be classed as an oxymoron.

Only by those who don't understand what an oxymoron is.

But it can bre bt those that understand English whixch is where you fail.

Clearly completely blotto, as always.

The reason is that Frozen and thawed are two differnt states of the bread.

You quite sure you ain't one of those rocket scientist drunks ?

You can't have a frozen thawed load.

But you can have a thawed previously frozen loaf.

In the same way you can't have raw cooked meat.

But you can have cooked meat that was once raw meat.

And anyway it's not just any old thawed frozen bread.

Still much worse than freshly baked bread.

what do you mean by much worse

It's obvious to anyone but a drunk what that means.

is that worse than being worse and to what degree.

If I told you that I'd have to kill you, again.

Its formerly frozen bread, which is carefully
thawed in tinfoil, so as to retain all its moisture

Still much worse than freshly baked bread.

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michael adams wrote
Rod Speed wrote
michael adams wrote

Thawed frozen bread could be classed as an oxymoron.

Only by those who don’t understand what an oxymoron is.

So you're claiming are you that bread, or anything else for that matter, can be both
thawed and frozen at the same time ?

No, the freezing and thawing are obviously at different times,
not the same time.

Then that would be thawed, frozen bread.

Presumably you were off sick from school, on the day your
classmates were all taught about commas.

And full stops as well. To judge by your second sentence.


michael adams

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michael adams wrote
Rod Speed wrote
michael adams wrote
Rod Speed wrote
michael adams wrote

Thawed frozen bread could be classed as an oxymoron.

Only by those who don’t understand what an oxymoron is.

So you're claiming are you that bread, or anything else for that matter,
can be both thawed and frozen at the same time ?

No, the freezing and thawing are obviously at different times,
not the same time.

Then that would be thawed, frozen bread.

Its also thawed frozen bread.

Presumably you were off sick from school, on the day your classmates were
all taught about commas.

That was never absolutely always required.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Th...rozen+bread%22

And full stops as well. To judge by your second sentence.

When your dyson breaks, just scoot around the floor on
your bare arse and don’t complain to me about the splinters.

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RJH wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tim..... wrote

Even if I only ate it as toast, still more work to toast frozen
slices than to toast bread that has never been frozen.

rubbish

Fact. Its harder to toast than fresh bread.

You must have led and be leading a remarkably easy life if you count
another 20 seconds in the toaster as 'hard'.

It isn't the time that matters, it’s the thawing you have to
do first,

but you don't

you put it in the toaster frozen

works perfectly

tim

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In article ,
tim..... wrote:
I really don't get the economics of using a bread machine to make one 2
oz roll

It seems about as (non)sensical as heating up the oven to put in one
part baked roll


Is this about economics or taste?

It's about the best compromise

and I have already said (twice) that what I consider the best is buying
"baked on the premises" rolls and putting them in the freezer

If you just want cheap bread buy supermarket sliced.

I didn't say that I wanted cheap bread. It's the claim of the Bread machine
maniacs that it is cheaper


And most ovens have room for other things as well as a part baked roll.
;-)

Well of course, but if I'm not cooking anything else in the over that day
what then?

For normal meals, I use my oven about a dozen times a year, everything else
either gets cooked under the grill or on the hob

putting bread in the oven is a wasteful exercise in my house

tim

tim..... wrote
Rod Speed wrote
RJH wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tim..... wrote

Even if I only ate it as toast, still more work to toast frozen
slices than to toast bread that has never been frozen.

rubbish

Fact. Its harder to toast than fresh bread.

You must have led and be leading a remarkably easy life if you count
another 20 seconds in the toaster as 'hard'.

It isn't the time that matters, it’s the thawing you have to do first,

but you don't

Michael clearly does.

you put it in the toaster frozen

works perfectly

Doesn’t with the very thick slices I prefer, nothing like perfect
toast, much worse than the bread that has never been frozen.

tim..... wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
tim..... wrote

I really don't get the economics of using a bread machine to make one 2
oz roll

It seems about as (non)sensical as heating up the oven to put in one
part baked roll

Is this about economics or taste?

It's about the best compromise

No compromise at all when you use a bread machine
to give you the best bread possible, at the lowest cost
possible, and as fresh as possible because you only
make what you will be eating that day etc.

and I have already said (twice) that what I consider the best is buying
"baked on the premises" rolls and putting them in the freezer

That is MUCH worse than freshly baked on YOUR
premises that doesn't need to be frozen because
you only make enough for the current day.

If you just want cheap bread buy supermarket sliced.

I didn't say that I wanted cheap bread. It's the claim of the Bread
machine maniacs that it is cheaper

It isn't a claim, it's a fact. And much better bread too.

And most ovens have room for other things as well as a part baked roll.
;-)

Well of course, but if I'm not cooking anything else in the over that day
what then?

You use a small convection oven to do the roll.
https://www.bigdiscount.com.au/17l-c..._UAxoCXSXw_wcB
I got the current one at a garage/yard sale for $5.
Looks like it had never been used.

For normal meals, I use my oven about a dozen times a year,

I use it a bit more than that but currently only for pizzas.

Everything else is done in the convection oven and that does
get used most days, but not when doing steaks or pizza or currys.

everything else either gets cooked under the grill or on the hob

I do almost nothing on the hob anymore. I use electric fry pans
for stuff like the curry, and do the potatoes and frozen veg and
rice in the microwave. And have baked potatoes done in the
convection oven most days.

putting bread in the oven is a wasteful exercise in my house

Not if you use a convection oven or a bread machine.