Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?




--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

The Natural Philosopher wrote


Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?


Jeez you send email in HTML ! **** a duck

Oh, you've exposed your real email addy.

On 09/09/14 01:33, Jabba wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote


Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?


Jeez you send email in HTML ! **** a duck

Oh, you've exposed your real email addy.

only the one I reserve for usenet

Which I think will bounce if you try it.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?

It seems to be the latest "improvement" maybe there's a classic theme
available to put it back?

On 09 Sep 2014, The Natural Philosopher grunted:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

Not here; but probably because my 'compose' window is handled by a
really excellent add-on called 'Identity Chooser' - as I use multiple
accounts on my Thunderbird, it's a method of preventing you from
accidentally sending from the wrong account (something IIRC you've done
here yourself in the past?!).

Personally I wouldn't be without it now; and it certainly gets round the
issues you've just reported too.

See the blurb from 'About Identity Chooser' below:

Identity Chooser helps you to choose the correct identity when composing
a new email.Do you remember the first time you accidentally sent a work
related email from your private email account? Embarrassing, right?
Identity Chooser helps you to prevent that. It makes choosing the sender
address explicit:

• Do you want to compose a new email? Identity Chooser forces you to
choose the sender address first.

• Do you want to forward an email? Identity Chooser forces you to choose
the sender address first.

• Do you want to send a new email to a contact in your address book?
Identity Chooser forces you to choose the sender address first.

To make it short: Every time you'll create a new message, Identity
Chooser shows you a menu with all your identities. And as a second line
of defense, Identity Chooser uses colors in the message composer to help
you detect a wrong sender address.

Everything in Identity Chooser is about making explicit choices. No
automatisms, no defaults.

And as a result you'll never send an email from the wrong email address
again


--
David

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this,

Yes, you've upgraded. :-)

or is it 'just the way it is'?

I believe that's the way it is. I don't see much to object to: I kind-of
noticed it, then shrugged and moved on.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

Who cares these days, the addresses are all known anyway.
I agree that html in usenet is rather pointless though. In the original
query, though I cannot see pictures, the main comment is that if something
has changed you do not like gfirstly go to the support forum for the
program, and if you cannot get it sorted, simply use an older version that
works as you like it.
Brian

--
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"Jabba" wrote in message
ldhosting.com...
The Natural Philosopher wrote


Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?


Jeez you send email in HTML ! **** a duck

Oh, you've exposed your real email addy.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?

Mine is somewhat different. When I open the write box the cursor is
prepositioned in the address box which shows up as a white box as normal.
Hitting the TAB key jumps to the subject box which then becomes white.
Another TAB takes you to the message body pane. This is all as it has
always been, other than a slight change in cosmetic appearance, and I
hadn't even noticed that until you mentioned it.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and
those who don't.

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 09:21:49 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

In the original query, though I cannot see pictures

Be thankful. There's some ridiculous wolf-howling-at-moon theme been
applied.

But, yes, the address and subject boxes are greyed out until you actually
come to use them. And there's some lines between where multiple address
lines go. I'm not quite sure why that's an issue worthy of the opprobium
being flung at it... Other mail clients are available, of course.

The Natural Philosopher wrote


On 09/09/14 01:33, Jabba wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote


Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?


Jeez you send email in HTML ! **** a duck

Oh, you've exposed your real email addy.

only the one I reserve for usenet

Which I think will bounce if you try it.


What about



That'll bounce too

On 09/09/14 09:09, Mike Barnes wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this,

Yes, you've upgraded. :-)

or is it 'just the way it is'?

I believe that's the way it is. I don't see much to object to: I kind-of
noticed it, then shrugged and moved on.

OK. I did have extreme weirdness at one point, but vaguely remembered
having tinkered with an old version years ago, so removed a style CSS
file and it went to something reasonable.

I may try an addon to see if that fixes it.

But at least its broken by design as it were, not by me..


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 07:52, Lobster wrote:
On 09 Sep 2014, The Natural Philosopher grunted:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

Not here; but probably because my 'compose' window is handled by a
really excellent add-on called 'Identity Chooser' - as I use multiple
accounts on my Thunderbird, it's a method of preventing you from
accidentally sending from the wrong account (something IIRC you've done
here yourself in the past?!).

Personally I wouldn't be without it now; and it certainly gets round the
issues you've just reported too.

See the blurb from 'About Identity Chooser' below:

Identity Chooser helps you to choose the correct identity when composing
a new email.Do you remember the first time you accidentally sent a work
related email from your private email account? Embarrassing, right?
Identity Chooser helps you to prevent that. It makes choosing the sender
address explicit:

€¢ Do you want to compose a new email? Identity Chooser forces you to
choose the sender address first.

€¢ Do you want to forward an email? Identity Chooser forces you to choose
the sender address first.

€¢ Do you want to send a new email to a contact in your address book?
Identity Chooser forces you to choose the sender address first.

To make it short: Every time you'll create a new message, Identity
Chooser shows you a menu with all your identities. And as a second line
of defense, Identity Chooser uses colors in the message composer to help
you detect a wrong sender address.

Everything in Identity Chooser is about making explicit choices. No
automatisms, no defaults.

And as a result you'll never send an email from the wrong email address
again


Mmm. but you can choose identities anyway these days.

Nevertheless for the sake of 10 mins testing, I'll give it a shot



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 09:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?

It's this sort of thing that caused me to write my own email client.

well maybe you can let me beta it...;-)


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 09:21, Brian Gaff wrote:
Who cares these days, the addresses are all known anyway.
I agree that html in usenet is rather pointless though.

IN fact that wasn't Usenet.

I simply created a compose *mail* screen, not a news screen, and I
selected my usenet name to hide the ones that actually work.

usenet is strictly text only.


In the original
query, though I cannot see pictures, the main comment is that if something
has changed you do not like gfirstly go to the support forum for the
program, and if you cannot get it sorted, simply use an older version that
works as you like it.

I could but frankly its more hassle .

I tend to go with 'whats current now' as I have been caught out too
often by 'your xys app is no longer supported' stuff.

Brian



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 09:41, Bob Henson wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?

Mine is somewhat different. When I open the write box the cursor is
prepositioned in the address box which shows up as a white box as normal.
Hitting the TAB key jumps to the subject box which then becomes white.
Another TAB takes you to the message body pane. This is all as it has
always been, other than a slight change in cosmetic appearance, and I
hadn't even noticed that until you mentioned it.

Maybe I just have a set of unhappy colours.

But the boxes didn't use to be hidden before mouseover, and the lines
are new. And I hate both.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 10:11, Adrian wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 09:21:49 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

In the original query, though I cannot see pictures

Be thankful. There's some ridiculous wolf-howling-at-moon theme been
applied.


Well I like wolves and the moon.

*shrug* no need to be snotty.


But, yes, the address and subject boxes are greyed out until you actually
come to use them. And there's some lines between where multiple address
lines go. I'm not quite sure why that's an issue worthy of the opprobium
being flung at it... Other mail clients are available, of course.


I merely wanted to know if it was the expected behaviour. In order to
determine whether as is my choice, I needed to change it proactively, or
whether I had accidentally buggered something as a result of merging two
installations.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 11:29, Jabba wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote


On 09/09/14 01:33, Jabba wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote


Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?


Jeez you send email in HTML ! **** a duck

Oh, you've exposed your real email addy.

only the one I reserve for usenet

Which I think will bounce if you try it.


What about



That'll bounce too


I should hope so!



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/09/14 07:52, Lobster wrote:
On 09 Sep 2014, The Natural Philosopher grunted:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

Not here; but probably because my 'compose' window is handled by a
really excellent add-on called 'Identity Chooser' - as I use multiple
accounts on my Thunderbird, it's a method of preventing you from
accidentally sending from the wrong account (something IIRC you've done
here yourself in the past?!).

Personally I wouldn't be without it now; and it certainly gets round the
issues you've just reported too.

See the blurb from 'About Identity Chooser' below:

Identity Chooser helps you to choose the correct identity when composing
a new email.Do you remember the first time you accidentally sent a work
related email from your private email account? Embarrassing, right?
Identity Chooser helps you to prevent that. It makes choosing the sender
address explicit:

€¢ Do you want to compose a new email? Identity Chooser forces you to
choose the sender address first.

€¢ Do you want to forward an email? Identity Chooser forces you to choose
the sender address first.

€¢ Do you want to send a new email to a contact in your address book?
Identity Chooser forces you to choose the sender address first.

To make it short: Every time you'll create a new message, Identity
Chooser shows you a menu with all your identities. And as a second line
of defense, Identity Chooser uses colors in the message composer to help
you detect a wrong sender address.

Everything in Identity Chooser is about making explicit choices. No
automatisms, no defaults.

And as a result you'll never send an email from the wrong email address
again


Mmm. but you can choose identities anyway these days.

Nevertheless for the sake of 10 mins testing, I'll give it a shot

While you're at it you might also consider Virtual Identity, which I
like a lot.

blurb
Virtual Identity is an extension / add-on for Mozilla Thunderbird and
the Mozilla Seamonkey Suite. Using Virtual Identity you can simply edit
the sender-address in your email to whatever you like - as long as your
mail-server accepts the resulting mail. This is useful especially for
people who have an own mail-server and dont like adding every possible
account as an Identity in the mail-client.

The feature to create instant, temporary Identities gives also increased
possibilities to reply to other emails. Therefore the Virtual Identity
extension contains a feature called Smart-Reply, which creates an
identity based on information found in an received email without user
interaction. Additionally Virtual Identity is able to save used Virtual
Identities and reuse them for every new mail to the same recipient.
/blurb

What the last paragraph is trying to say g is that when you compose an
email, VI chooses the identity that you used when you last wrote to that
person. Handy.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:52:06 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

On 09 Sep 2014, The Natural Philosopher grunted:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

Not here; but probably because my 'compose' window is handled by a
really excellent add-on called 'Identity Chooser' - as I use multiple
accounts on my Thunderbird, it's a method of preventing you from
accidentally sending from the wrong account (something IIRC you've done
here yourself in the past?!).

Personally I wouldn't be without it now; and it certainly gets round the
issues you've just reported too.

See the blurb from 'About Identity Chooser' below:

Identity Chooser helps you to choose the correct identity when composing
a new email.Do you remember the first time you accidentally sent a work
related email from your private email account? Embarrassing, right?
Identity Chooser helps you to prevent that. It makes choosing the sender
address explicit:

• Do you want to compose a new email? Identity Chooser forces you to
choose the sender address first.

• Do you want to forward an email? Identity Chooser forces you to choose
the sender address first.

• Do you want to send a new email to a contact in your address book?
Identity Chooser forces you to choose the sender address first.

To make it short: Every time you'll create a new message, Identity
Chooser shows you a menu with all your identities. And as a second line
of defense, Identity Chooser uses colors in the message composer to help
you detect a wrong sender address.

Everything in Identity Chooser is about making explicit choices. No
automatisms, no defaults.

And as a result you'll never send an email from the wrong email address
again

This last statement is a very bold claim. They forgot to add the
rider:

"(unless you're really stupid or careless)"

which all rather suggests they didn't employ the services of a
professional ad copy writer, further reinforced by the final word not
being preceded by "ever".

At least whoever wrote that copy managed to resist adding that touch
of hyperbole (which they could've gotten away with if they'd bothered
to add the rider regarding end user stupidity or carelessness). :-)
--
J B Good

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:35:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

In the original query, though I cannot see pictures

Be thankful. There's some ridiculous wolf-howling-at-moon theme been
applied.

Well I like wolves and the moon.

I'm very happy for you.

*shrug* no need to be snotty.

I originally typed something along the lines of "...and I wonder if it's
the theme that's causing the behaviour". Then I actually looked, and
found that it does the same on a vanilla install here, too. I just hadn't
noticed.

On 09/09/2014 10:11, Adrian wrote:

But, yes, the address and subject boxes are greyed out until you actually
come to use them. And there's some lines between where multiple address
lines go. I'm not quite sure why that's an issue worthy of the opprobium
being flung at it... Other mail clients are available, of course.

Start typing a recipient's address, click on the correct one out of
those offered, and a new 'To:' field is opened below the first. Click in
it and press Backspace to get rid of it.

Crazy.

Yet another [non] improvement in a program that worked well enough already.

--
F

On 09/09/14 12:57, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 09/09/14 09:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?

It's this sort of thing that caused me to write my own email client.

well maybe you can let me beta it...;-)

Have a look at:

http://www.iletter.org.uk/

and decide if it might suit you. No Linux version ATM, but no reason
there shouldn't be.

Looks pretty good to me. Always liked Eudora.

I'd like the ability to tweak icons and colours, but thats presumably
held in style sheets?



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 12:52, Adrian wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:35:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

In the original query, though I cannot see pictures

Be thankful. There's some ridiculous wolf-howling-at-moon theme been
applied.

Well I like wolves and the moon.

I'm very happy for you.

*shrug* no need to be snotty.

I originally typed something along the lines of "...and I wonder if it's
the theme that's causing the behaviour". Then I actually looked, and
found that it does the same on a vanilla install here, too. I just hadn't
noticed.

well that was the first thing that occurred to me, too.

So I disabled everything

--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 12:43, Johny B Good wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:52:06 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

On 09 Sep 2014, The Natural Philosopher grunted:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

Not here; but probably because my 'compose' window is handled by a
really excellent add-on called 'Identity Chooser' - as I use multiple
accounts on my Thunderbird, it's a method of preventing you from
accidentally sending from the wrong account (something IIRC you've done
here yourself in the past?!).

Personally I wouldn't be without it now; and it certainly gets round the
issues you've just reported too.

See the blurb from 'About Identity Chooser' below:

Identity Chooser helps you to choose the correct identity when composing
a new email.Do you remember the first time you accidentally sent a work
related email from your private email account? Embarrassing, right?
Identity Chooser helps you to prevent that. It makes choosing the sender
address explicit:

€¢ Do you want to compose a new email? Identity Chooser forces you to
choose the sender address first.

€¢ Do you want to forward an email? Identity Chooser forces you to choose
the sender address first.

€¢ Do you want to send a new email to a contact in your address book?
Identity Chooser forces you to choose the sender address first.

To make it short: Every time you'll create a new message, Identity
Chooser shows you a menu with all your identities. And as a second line
of defense, Identity Chooser uses colors in the message composer to help
you detect a wrong sender address.

Everything in Identity Chooser is about making explicit choices. No
automatisms, no defaults.

And as a result you'll never send an email from the wrong email address
again

This last statement is a very bold claim. They forgot to add the
rider:

"(unless you're really stupid or careless)"

which all rather suggests they didn't employ the services of a
professional ad copy writer, further reinforced by the final word not
being preceded by "ever".

At least whoever wrote that copy managed to resist adding that touch
of hyperbole (which they could've gotten away with if they'd bothered
to add the rider regarding end user stupidity or carelessness). :-)

Well its installed and apart from the pale orange, which really doesn't
fit well with wolves and the moon, its a pretty neat little add on.

Now to peek inside the source and see if I can fix that colour..



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 13:03, F wrote:
On 09/09/2014 10:11, Adrian wrote:

But, yes, the address and subject boxes are greyed out until you actually
come to use them. And there's some lines between where multiple address
lines go. I'm not quite sure why that's an issue worthy of the opprobium
being flung at it... Other mail clients are available, of course.

Start typing a recipient's address, click on the correct one out of
those offered, and a new 'To:' field is opened below the first. Click in
it and press Backspace to get rid of it.

Crazy.

Yet another [non] improvement in a program that worked well enough already.

Yes, definitely in the 'because we can' rather than 'because people
wanted it' camp of 'enhancements'

I mean its usable, and you can get used to anything. Even Apple OSX,
but that doesn't mean you have to like the effort.

--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

F wrote:
Start typing a recipient's address, click on the correct one out of
those offered, and a new 'To:' field is opened below the first. Click in
it and press Backspace to get rid of it.

I find that when I move to the "Subject" field, that new "To" field
disappears. No extra effort required. Why do you press Backspace?

Start typing recipient's name or address - press down arrow as often as
necessary to highlight the right one - press Tab to select it, Tab again
if there's no second recipient, start typing the Subject. Couldn't be
easier.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 09/09/14 12:57, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 09/09/14 09:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?

It's this sort of thing that caused me to write my own email client.

well maybe you can let me beta it...;-)

Have a look at:

http://www.iletter.org.uk/

and decide if it might suit you. No Linux version ATM, but no reason
there shouldn't be.

Looks pretty good to me. Always liked Eudora.

I'd like the ability to tweak icons and colours, but thats presumably
held in style sheets?


Eudora has been a modified version of Thunderbird for a long time now
(2006?) so it should do anything Thunderbird does. You cans change all the
text colours in Thunderbird with some research.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Alcohol and Calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive.

On 09/09/14 13:25, Mike Barnes wrote:
F wrote:
Start typing a recipient's address, click on the correct one out of
those offered, and a new 'To:' field is opened below the first. Click in
it and press Backspace to get rid of it.

I find that when I move to the "Subject" field, that new "To" field
disappears. No extra effort required. Why do you press Backspace?

Start typing recipient's name or address - press down arrow as often as
necessary to highlight the right one - press Tab to select it, Tab again
if there's no second recipient, start typing the Subject. Couldn't be
easier.

except why if its so easy are we remarking on it?

I have been using thunderbird for YEARS and Eudora before that and they
all ways have had simple intuitive interfaces that made it pretty clear
that you had a form to fill in.

Suddenly the form is not there. Until you mouseover. No form I have ever
seen on any website or application dissappears when you mouse away.

Except thunderbird.

If every other app in the world behaved like that, fine.

I mean, why didn't they make the mouse go backwards in that window? Or
have it shut down the whole fsking computer?

Why stop at disappearing forms.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 13:56, Bob Henson wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 09/09/14 12:57, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 09/09/14 09:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?

It's this sort of thing that caused me to write my own email client.

well maybe you can let me beta it...;-)

Have a look at:

http://www.iletter.org.uk/

and decide if it might suit you. No Linux version ATM, but no reason
there shouldn't be.

Looks pretty good to me. Always liked Eudora.

I'd like the ability to tweak icons and colours, but thats presumably
held in style sheets?


Eudora has been a modified version of Thunderbird for a long time now
(2006?) so it should do anything Thunderbird does. You cans change all the
text colours in Thunderbird with some research.

Anyway I can report that installing the identity thingy add on and
getting rid of all its clever colors and disabling just about every
single smart feature it has, has given me a pleasant usable window.


And thanks to all who replied, to establish firstly that it was 'normal'
behaviour and secondly that there was an addon that removed its grosser
obscenities.

I now have 50 shades of gray and form boxes that don't vanish, merely
get a little recessed on mouseover.

And the new computer just got a little bit better.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/2014 13:25, Mike Barnes wrote:
F wrote:
Start typing a recipient's address, click on the correct one out of
those offered, and a new 'To:' field is opened below the first. Click in
it and press Backspace to get rid of it.

I find that when I move to the "Subject" field, that new "To" field
disappears. No extra effort required. Why do you press Backspace?

Because the new 'To:' field doesn't disappear. It's left there, greyed
out, with a blank entry.

Start typing recipient's name or address - press down arrow as often as
necessary to highlight the right one - press Tab to select it, Tab again
if there's no second recipient, start typing the Subject. Couldn't be
easier.

I use the mouse to select the recipient and then to move to the
'Subject:' field and then the message field. I've done that for several
years now and it's always worked fine. Now, someone with time on their
hands, has decided to fiddle and fix something that wasn't broken. But
is now.

--
F

On 09/09/2014 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Well its installed and apart from the pale orange, which really doesn't
fit well with wolves and the moon, its a pretty neat little add on.

Now to peek inside the source and see if I can fix that colour..




Version 31.1 works OK on windows.

It has some resource leakage and needs to be shut down and restarted
every couple of weeks to avoid ending up with missing controls but
that's what you get with free software.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/09/14 13:25, Mike Barnes wrote:
F wrote:
Start typing a recipient's address, click on the correct one out of
those offered, and a new 'To:' field is opened below the first. Click in
it and press Backspace to get rid of it.

I find that when I move to the "Subject" field, that new "To" field
disappears. No extra effort required. Why do you press Backspace?

Start typing recipient's name or address - press down arrow as often as
necessary to highlight the right one - press Tab to select it, Tab again
if there's no second recipient, start typing the Subject. Couldn't be
easier.

except why if its so easy are we remarking on it?

You're remarking on it because you think it's more difficult than it
actually is. I don't know why you click in the new "To" box and press
backspace, but AFAICS you actually don't need to do that. Unless you can
explain why.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:03:24 +0100, F wrote:

...and a new 'To:' field is opened below the first. Click in
it and press Backspace to get rid of it.

Or just ignore it completely.

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:29:26 +0100, F wrote:

I find that when I move to the "Subject" field, that new "To" field
disappears. No extra effort required. Why do you press Backspace?

Because the new 'To:' field doesn't disappear. It's left there, greyed
out, with a blank entry.

And?

On 09/09/14 14:33, Dennis@home wrote:
On 09/09/2014 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Well its installed and apart from the pale orange, which really doesn't
fit well with wolves and the moon, its a pretty neat little add on.

Now to peek inside the source and see if I can fix that colour..




Version 31.1 works OK on windows.

It has some resource leakage and needs to be shut down and restarted
every couple of weeks to avoid ending up with missing controls but
that's what you get with free software.

No, thats what you get with windows...;-)


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/14 14:29, F wrote:
Now, someone with time on their hands, has decided to fiddle and fix
something that wasn't broken. But is now.

Story of 14 years of Labour government really ;-)

and 4 years of coalition.

--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

F wrote:
On 09/09/2014 13:25, Mike Barnes wrote:
F wrote:
Start typing a recipient's address, click on the correct one out
of those offered, and a new 'To:' field is opened below the
first. Click in it and press Backspace to get rid of it.

I find that when I move to the "Subject" field, that new "To"
field disappears. No extra effort required. Why do you press
Backspace?

Because the new 'To:' field doesn't disappear. It's left there,
greyed out, with a blank entry.

Correction accepted, but how is that a problem?

I use the mouse to select the recipient and then to move to the
'Subject:' field and then the message field. I've done that for several
years now and it's always worked fine. Now, someone with time on their
hands, has decided to fiddle and fix something that wasn't broken. But
is now.

I don't understand. If you do what you used to do, it still works,
doesn't it? If it doesn't work, what actually happens?

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On 09/09/14 14:47, Adrian wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:29:26 +0100, F wrote:

I find that when I move to the "Subject" field, that new "To" field
disappears. No extra effort required. Why do you press Backspace?

Because the new 'To:' field doesn't disappear. It's left there, greyed
out, with a blank entry.

And?

There is expected behaviour when filling in forms, and there is
thunderbird 31.

Why NOT have the gear lever on your car retract until you put your foot
on the brakes or take it off the accelerator, I mean, you dont need it
do you?

Just because everyone else leaves it where you left it, doesnt mean we
cant do better.





--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 09/09/2014 01:33, Jabba wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote


Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?


Jeez you send email in HTML ! **** a duck

Oh, you've exposed your real email addy.

Don't you love Nominet:

Domain name:
shaman.co.uk

Registrant's address:
ElectricMail Ltd

Data validation:
Registrant contact details validated by Nominet on 10-Dec-2012

Yet ElectricMail Ltd was dissolved in 2009! I don't dig their "validation"!

Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Bob Henson
wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 09/09/14 12:57, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 09/09/14 09:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Because I hate what mine is doing...see the compose window....

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/TBCW.png

Have I done something to deserve this, or is it 'just the way it is'?

It's this sort of thing that caused me to write my own email client.

well maybe you can let me beta it...;-)

Have a look at:

http://www.iletter.org.uk/

and decide if it might suit you. No Linux version ATM, but no reason
there shouldn't be.

Looks pretty good to me. Always liked Eudora.

I'd like the ability to tweak icons and colours, but thats presumably
held in style sheets?

Eudora has been a modified version of Thunderbird for a long time now
(2006?) so it should do anything Thunderbird does. You cans change all the
text colours in Thunderbird with some research.

No it hasn't.

What happened is that some of the Qualcomm developers (including Steve
Dorner, the original author) wanted to continue development. Qualcomm
stopped Eudora work because it wasn't part of their core business. Now,
the problem was that by then Eudora contained some proprietary code, so
the notion that some folks had of Qualcomm allowing those developers to
just start from where they'd left off, using the Eudora codebase in an
open source kind of manner, was never going to fly. (Although most
people don't seem to be aware of that).

So this team decided to take Thunderbird and start working on it to
make it into an improved Eudora. For reasons that I don't understand,
after eventually releasing Eudora 8.0 v1, and then renaming it Eudora
OSE, they gave up. That's a good five years ago now and Eudora 8, with
less features than the final Windows version from 2006 or so, is now
essentially abandonware.


And what is that but a modified version of Thunderbird?

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Results are what you expect, and consequences are what you get.