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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:00:32 -0000, bert ] wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:11:13 -0000, S Viemeister wrote: On 11/5/2013 10:12 AM, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter wrote:n On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave wrote: They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. Sheep do that sort of thing. A friend had a sheep land on his car, but both friend and sheep survived (car was a bit dented, though). I've never seen a sheep jump. Even when it really wants to get over a fence. If they could all do it, fences would be pointless. Mind you.... http://youtu.be/EvYHyA3qkFw Hebrideans are brilliant jumpers. I think you meant Hebrideans MAKE brilliant jumpers. -- Is a booby trap only dangerous for women? |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:01:08 -0000, bert ] wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:53:15 -0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:25:01 -0000, dennis@home wrote: On 03/11/2013 18:35, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: So you think its OK to annoy people by driving past their homes at 90 mph and making several orders of magnitude more noise than at 30 mph. That just shows how stupid you are. It gets me to my destination three times quicker, and the noise is made for a third of the time. No it doesn't because you will not be able to drive consistently at 90 to maintain that average. I could if pricks like you would get the **** out of my way. And farm tractors? Well yes.... -- Is a booby trap only dangerous for women? |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:12:39 -0000, bert ] wrote:
In message , Apellation Controlee writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:53:36 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:45:11 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:27:54 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 15:19:07 -0000, ARW wrote: Don't they make you sign for the letter? They go on the principle that the act of posting is proof of delivery. ****wits. Do they think the Royal Mail is infallible? Apparently. Some years ago I found that a warrant had been issued for my arrest because I had failed to answer a summons for a traffic matter. We had moved house soon after the incident in question occurred but, although my driving licence and the vehicle reg doc had been updated, the police were unable to find me when they sprang into action six months after the event. The mail redirection arrangement had expired, so communications from the police went unanswered. Something you often see in contracts. Notice is deemed to be delivered on the day after posting by Royal Mail First Class- or similar. Because the Royal Mail is infallible. -- Black holes are where god divided by zero. |
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On 05/11/2013 19:00, bert wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:11:13 -0000, S Viemeister wrote: On 11/5/2013 10:12 AM, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter wrote:n On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave wrote: A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. Sheep do that sort of thing. A friend had a sheep land on his car, but both friend and sheep survived (car was a bit dented, though). I've never seen a sheep jump. Even when it really wants to get over a fence. If they could all do it, fences would be pointless. Mind you.... http://youtu.be/EvYHyA3qkFw Hebrideans are brilliant jumpers. Only if you find a good knitter... -- Rod |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Tim Lamb writes In message o.uk, Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it, Can't think of any around here either. Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a 30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph. BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per normal BOATS? Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:08:06 +0000, bert wrote:
Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean there are no good reasons for it to be there. When the default urban limit hits the 80th anniversary and the default dual-carriageway limit the 40th anniversary next year, followed by the the default extra-urban limit the 50th anniversary in 2015 - without any review at all in that time, despite massively different road conditions - it's kinda difficult sometimes to agree with that argument. ESPECIALLY when so many roads are having politically lowered limits, apparently shotgun-style. But the level of traffic has also increased considerably during the same time. Which part of "despite massively different road conditions" did you fail to read? Which bit of traffic safety don't you understand - oh none of it. I think you miss my point - which was that you were just repeating something in the post you were replying to. But that's beside the point. I understand road safety just fine. I just don't happen to think that a relatively random number set before _any_ current driver started to drive is a good definition of it. I happen to prefer it being the responsibility of me and the people around me. Yes, traffic levels have risen. But speed limits should be set for clear roads. I don't think you've thought that through. One of us hasn't, that's true. Traffic levels are one factor that drivers should take into account when deciding if the speed limit is an appropriate speed to drive at. Why should I rely on the competence of other drivers for my personal safety. Unless the speed limit can be guaranteed to be a safe and appropriate speed for ALL traffic and weather conditions, then you already _have_ to, and always have had to. So... are you suggesting that the speed limit is always safe and appropriate? Because, if you are, then I invite you to drive past my front gate at the speed limit. As regularly as you like. So long as you don't mind me selling tickets. OTOH, road surfaces have improved (yes, improved) massively. Vehicle capabilities have improved massively. Road user perceptions and expectations have improved massively. Reaction time - and distance travelled within it - is very much the same. Is it? Really? Look at the number of young drivers esp male being involved in fatal accidents. I rather suspect that, in the video-game era, that utterly disproves the relevance of reaction time. B'sides, look at the HC stopping distances, and what a small part the thinking time/distance is. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:14:49 +0000, bert wrote:
"10% + a couple" is a safe rule of thumb so I was told many years ago. Based on a misunderstanding of the regulations covering accuracy of speedometers. Based on ACPO prosecution guidelines, actually, but... |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson wrote:
Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Tim Lamb writes In message o.uk, Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: lower Can't think of any around here either. Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a 30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph. BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per normal BOATS? Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread. Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense of humour. I didn't read that post. I thought you meant: http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg -- "One dies in Istanbul suicide attack" |
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:14:02 +0000, bert ] wrote:
In message , Apellation Controlee writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:21:35 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:04:26 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:48:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:43:09 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: ----------------8 Apparently. Some years ago I found that a warrant had been issued for my arrest because I had failed to answer a summons for a traffic matter. We had moved house soon after the incident in question occurred but, although my driving licence and the vehicle reg doc had been updated, the police were unable to find me when they sprang into action six months after the event. The mail redirection arrangement had expired, so communications from the police went unanswered. I guess I can understand that. They probably just looked at the address on file for you when you were originally summoned. Doesn't quite square with being unable to find me, which was what was claimed. Ah well yes. Perhaps they should have checked more thoroughly at that point. Although why would they think you'd moved? Not such an uncommon eventuality, I would have thought. You didn't call one a pleb by any chance? No, but the episode led to me being interviewed, which turned into me making a statement, at the conclusion of which, after I had signed it, I was given the "anything you say" routine. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:49:15 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:14:02 +0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Apellation Controlee writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:21:35 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:04:26 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:48:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: ----------------8 Doesn't quite square with being unable to find me, which was what was claimed. Ah well yes. Perhaps they should have checked more thoroughly at that point. Although why would they think you'd moved? Not such an uncommon eventuality, I would have thought. You didn't call one a pleb by any chance? No, but the episode led to me being interviewed, which turned into me making a statement, at the conclusion of which, after I had signed it, I was given the "anything you say" routine. What happens if you say "****" after that is read out? -- Drugs lead nowhere, but it's the scenic route. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:46:03 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:39:37 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:26:45 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: ----------------8 Ridiculous. But not as much as your signatures. I've got 1139 of them. Oh **** ... |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:54:00 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:46:03 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:39:37 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:26:45 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: ----------------8 Ridiculous. But not as much as your signatures. I've got 1139 of them. Oh **** ... MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! -- I imposed a declaration in opposition to your motion to modify the preliminary injunction in support of the cross motion to vacate the preliminary injunction. So noted by the Federal Court of Justice proceeding preliminary declaration. |
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:56:27 +0000, bert wrote:
Sadly... It's crazy that you can pass your test at 17 and not have any further formal training/education until 70. For standard car licence there's no retraining at 70. This is true. I thought you had to get a note from your GP to say you are still fit enough to drive but you don't even have to do that! It's effectively "self certify". Bonkers. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
I've driven along the narrow roads near Glendoll on many occasions, and at dusk there are tonnes of rabbits. I've braked hard and avoided every single one, but only because of ABS. Don't give a f about rabbits or pheasants, far to many of the blooming things. The rabbits seem to be fairly road wise, they'll normally run along the edge then dart into the side. You do get the occasional suicidal one playing chicken from the other side splat. Pheasants are just stupid, you'll see one 1/4 a mile away starting to slowly cross, at 200 yds it's in the middle of your lane, at 25 yds it's almost fully across the road, it then sees you bowling down at 60 mph and runs back across splat. The stupid things still just sit staring at me until I turn off the headlights. Hares do that, they get completely disorientated by headlights. Hehehe, my friend's (when I were a lad at school) mum crashed her car into a ditch to avoid a pheasant, which I thought was rather odd, as her husband regularly went out shooting pheasants. There is a bit of road near hear that is almost running alive with pheasants. If you don't count the best part of a dozen road kills in just over a mile there is something wrong. Yes, there is a shoot in that area. They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. There is nothing that says that the fields are seperated from the roads by a wall or fence, many bits around here aren't. And you can't see round corners either. Fortunately sheep are generally more interested in the grass verges than the tarmac, unless it's starting to get cold after a bright sunny day. In which case they will lie down on the nice warm tarmac and be very reluctant to move. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Tim Lamb writes In message o.uk, Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it, Can't think of any around here either. Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a 30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph. BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per normal BOATS? Byways Open To All Traffic -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:15:28 +0000, bert wrote:
Unless you're in North Wales, where the rule is allegedly "+1". And you can delete the "allegedly" Brunstrom left four years ago. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 21:17:38 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: I've driven along the narrow roads near Glendoll on many occasions, and at dusk there are tonnes of rabbits. I've braked hard and avoided every single one, but only because of ABS. Don't give a f about rabbits or pheasants, far to many of the blooming things. The rabbits seem to be fairly road wise, they'll normally run along the edge then dart into the side. You do get the occasional suicidal one playing chicken from the other side splat. Pheasants are just stupid, you'll see one 1/4 a mile away starting to slowly cross, at 200 yds it's in the middle of your lane, at 25 yds it's almost fully across the road, it then sees you bowling down at 60 mph and runs back across splat. Even if you don't care about them, what about your car? I had to buy a new reg plate when I didn't bother stopping for a cat. It did look funny in my rearview mirror though, spinning round on its side. The stupid things still just sit staring at me until I turn off the headlights. Hares do that, they get completely disorientated by headlights. I guess if someone shone a bright torch in your face you wouldn't know where you were. But if you knew there was a car coming, you'd at least pick a direction and leg it. Hehehe, my friend's (when I were a lad at school) mum crashed her car into a ditch to avoid a pheasant, which I thought was rather odd, as her husband regularly went out shooting pheasants. There is a bit of road near hear that is almost running alive with pheasants. If you don't count the best part of a dozen road kills in just over a mile there is something wrong. Yes, there is a shoot in that area. They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. There is nothing that says that the fields are seperated from the roads by a wall or fence, many bits around here aren't. And you can't see round corners either. Fortunately sheep are generally more interested in the grass verges than the tarmac, unless it's starting to get cold after a bright sunny day. In which case they will lie down on the nice warm tarmac and be very reluctant to move. I can see far enough round corners to stop in time. -- The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't. |
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Liquorice writes On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:56:27 +0000, bert wrote: Sadly... It's crazy that you can pass your test at 17 and not have any further formal training/education until 70. For standard car licence there's no retraining at 70. This is true. I thought you had to get a note from your GP to say you are still fit enough to drive but you don't even have to do that! It's effectively "self certify". Bonkers. Indeed. It would be much more sensible to increase the age from 70 to 75 and then increase pro rata with retirement age. -- bert |
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writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson wrote: Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Tim Lamb writes In message o.uk, Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: lower Can't think of any around here either. Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a 30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph. BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per normal BOATS? Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread. Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense of humour. I didn't read that post. I thought you meant: http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg Very common acronym used on OS maps along with RUPPs -- bert |
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writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:49:15 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:14:02 +0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Apellation Controlee writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:21:35 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:04:26 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:48:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: ----------------8 Doesn't quite square with being unable to find me, which was what was claimed. Ah well yes. Perhaps they should have checked more thoroughly at that point. Although why would they think you'd moved? Not such an uncommon eventuality, I would have thought. You didn't call one a pleb by any chance? No, but the episode led to me being interviewed, which turned into me making a statement, at the conclusion of which, after I had signed it, I was given the "anything you say" routine. What happens if you say "****" after that is read out? Or "knickers" -- bert |
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On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:10:23 -0000, bert ] wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson wrote: Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Tim Lamb writes BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per normal BOATS? Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread. Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense of humour. I didn't read that post. I thought you meant: http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg Very common acronym used on OS maps along with RUPPs Never seen those. Just colour coded roads with whole words describing them in the key at the side. -- Mental Health Outsourcing -- I was depressed last night so I called Lifeline. I got a call centre in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck. |
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bert wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson wrote: Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Tim Lamb writes In message o.uk, Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: lower Can't think of any around here either. Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a 30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph. BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per normal BOATS? Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread. Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense of humour. I didn't read that post. I thought you meant: http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg Very common acronym used on OS maps along with RUPPs As the lootenant claims to live North of the border, he may not have seen the signs, or seen the designation on a map, as there is no requirement to put signs up telling you there's a right of way in Scotland. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:17:51 -0000, bert ] wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:49:15 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:14:02 +0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Apellation Controlee writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:21:35 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: Not such an uncommon eventuality, I would have thought. You didn't call one a pleb by any chance? No, but the episode led to me being interviewed, which turned into me making a statement, at the conclusion of which, after I had signed it, I was given the "anything you say" routine. What happens if you say "****" after that is read out? Or "knickers" Several adjectives describing the knickers in detail would make for an amusing court session. -- It's always funny, until someone gets hurt... then it's just hilarious. |
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On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:24:41 -0000, John Williamson wrote:
bert wrote: In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson wrote: Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote: BOATS? Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread. Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense of humour. I didn't read that post. I thought you meant: http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg Very common acronym used on OS maps along with RUPPs As the lootenant claims to live North of the border, he may not have seen the signs, or seen the designation on a map, as there is no requirement to put signs up telling you there's a right of way in Scotland. We're more civilised than you lot. -- I don't care what they say, I don't think "phone sex" is any fun at all, unless you happen to be in the same booth with her. |
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I rather suspect attendance on an SAC would only reinforce my long- standing belief in the need for regular re-testing of all drivers... Oh, good! I am happy to report that I'll get to find out soon... mutter |
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... On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:24:44 +0000, Adrian wrote: I rather suspect attendance on an SAC would only reinforce my long- standing belief in the need for regular re-testing of all drivers... Oh, good! I am happy to report that I'll get to find out soon... mutter You have the NIP or have you just been filmed:-). -- Adam --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 11:48:40 +0000, ARW wrote:
I rather suspect attendance on an SAC would only reinforce my long- standing belief in the need for regular re-testing of all drivers... Oh, good! I am happy to report that I'll get to find out soon... mutter You have the NIP or have you just been filmed:-). The very friendly Dayglo-clad man hidden in a hedge told me, once he'd put his hairdryer down. |
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On 05/11/2013 19:31, Adrian wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:08:06 +0000, bert wrote: Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean there are no good reasons for it to be there. When the default urban limit hits the 80th anniversary and the default dual-carriageway limit the 40th anniversary next year, followed by the the default extra-urban limit the 50th anniversary in 2015 - without any review at all in that time, despite massively different road conditions - it's kinda difficult sometimes to agree with that argument. ESPECIALLY when so many roads are having politically lowered limits, apparently shotgun-style. But the level of traffic has also increased considerably during the same time. Which part of "despite massively different road conditions" did you fail to read? Which bit of traffic safety don't you understand - oh none of it. I think you miss my point - which was that you were just repeating something in the post you were replying to. But that's beside the point. I understand road safety just fine. I just don't happen to think that a relatively random number set before _any_ current driver started to drive is a good definition of it. I happen to prefer it being the responsibility of me and the people around me. Yes, traffic levels have risen. But speed limits should be set for clear roads. I don't think you've thought that through. One of us hasn't, that's true. Traffic levels are one factor that drivers should take into account when deciding if the speed limit is an appropriate speed to drive at. Why should I rely on the competence of other drivers for my personal safety. Unless the speed limit can be guaranteed to be a safe and appropriate speed for ALL traffic and weather conditions, then you already _have_ to, and always have had to. So... are you suggesting that the speed limit is always safe and appropriate? Because, if you are, then I invite you to drive past my front gate at the speed limit. As regularly as you like. So long as you don't mind me selling tickets. OTOH, road surfaces have improved (yes, improved) massively. Vehicle capabilities have improved massively. Road user perceptions and expectations have improved massively. Reaction time - and distance travelled within it - is very much the same. Is it? Really? Look at the number of young drivers esp male being involved in fatal accidents. I rather suspect that, in the video-game era, that utterly disproves the relevance of reaction time. B'sides, look at the HC stopping distances, and what a small part the thinking time/distance is. Didn't Top Gear do a test many years ago where they showed that a Landrover Discovery took longer than the HC stopping distance to stop from 70 mph and a Porsche 911 took half the official distance, yet we set the same speed limit for both. Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56, knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping distance. SteveW |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote:
Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56, knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping distance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY |
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On 05/11/2013 18:01, bert wrote:
Like the idiots around here who ignore them on level crossings. But is it as a result of poorly though out safety measures? I've been stuck at a level crossing for five minutes BEFORE any sign of a train. If this is common is it any wonder why people think they have a large margin of safety when jumping lights. Around my way the council have changed all predestrain crossing lights times to give a pedestrian what seem half an hour to cross the road and they have introduced left and right filter lights on all cross road etc. The result is that there are no longer gaps in traffic for people attempting to cross other than at a official crossing and many drivers running the red light in order not to be stuck at a junction for a long period. -- mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk |
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On 03/11/2013 21:29, dennis@home wrote:
Tomtoms let you mark them and share with others. I just keep marking them even if there isn't one. Since TT allowed this so many rat-runs have become dead end streets. :) -- mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk |
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On 03/11/2013 21:40, dennis@home wrote:
People that claim the safe speed is higher than the speed limit assume they are the only road user and have X-ray vision so they can see through objects. The Police around my way seem to have X-ray vision and assume no pedestrian is deaf or blind. -- mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:12:24 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
wrote: On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote: Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56, knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping distance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY Does anyone remember the signs on the back of trucks: "Caution - Air Brakes!" ? |
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On 10/11/2013 20:47, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:12:24 +0000 (UTC), Adrian wrote: On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote: Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56, knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping distance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY Does anyone remember the signs on the back of trucks: "Caution - Air Brakes!" ? And cars which proudly claimed disc brakes - even "all round"! -- Rod |
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On 10/11/2013 18:12, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote: Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56, knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping distance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY Quite impressive. I travel by bus to get to work and the journey involves a lot of NSL A-roads, I was quite impressed how quickly and smoothly the buses come to a complete stop when going down hill at full pelt (56-62mph). The auto box seems to drop down gears as it slows down to increase the braking effect. -- David |
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gremlin_95 wrote on Nov 10, 2013:
On 10/11/2013 18:12, Adrian wrote: On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote: Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56, knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping distance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY Quite impressive. I travel by bus to get to work and the journey involves a lot of NSL A-roads, I was quite impressed how quickly and smoothly the buses come to a complete stop when going down hill at full pelt (56-62mph). The auto box seems to drop down gears as it slows down to increase the braking effect. The auto dsg on my Golf does that too. It's very effective for downhill braking, -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire mike_lane at mac dot com |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:58:11 +0000, gremlin_95
wrote: On 10/11/2013 18:12, Adrian wrote: On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote: Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56, knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping distance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY Quite impressive. I travel by bus to get to work and the journey involves a lot of NSL A-roads, I was quite impressed how quickly and smoothly the buses come to a complete stop when going down hill at full pelt (56-62mph). The auto box seems to drop down gears as it slows down to increase the braking effect. I don't know if they caught on but, about 30 years back, I was on a bus that was fitted with a magnetic arrester device. The braking, even from the device alone, was breathtaking. |
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Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:58:11 +0000, gremlin_95 wrote: On 10/11/2013 18:12, Adrian wrote: On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote: Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56, knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping distance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY Quite impressive. I travel by bus to get to work and the journey involves a lot of NSL A-roads, I was quite impressed how quickly and smoothly the buses come to a complete stop when going down hill at full pelt (56-62mph). The auto box seems to drop down gears as it slows down to increase the braking effect. I don't know if they caught on but, about 30 years back, I was on a bus that was fitted with a magnetic arrester device. The braking, even from the device alone, was breathtaking. Retarders. Some of them use electromagnets to energise what is, effectively, a shorted out generator. http://www.telma.com/ Others use a pump in the gearbox to force oil through an adjustable hole. When working and used correctly, they replace about 90% of the friction braking. Hybrid buses use the motor and recovered energy to put some charge back into the batteries, too. They're fitted to the vast majority of large buses and coaches, and are beginning to catch on in the lorry world, too. They are also a legal requirement in Germany, and come in very handy on some of their long, steep, motorway hills. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Huge wrote:
What are those things that fiddle with the valving on diesel engines to create engine braking? Make the most appalling racket; seems like they convert kinetic energy into noise! [Googles] Ahhhh ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_brake They don't fiddle with the valves, they just close a restrictor in the exhaust outlet. They're not very effective, but they *are* cheap to fit. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:02:48 +0000, Huge wrote:
What are those things that fiddle with the valving on diesel engines to create engine braking? Make the most appalling racket; seems like they convert kinetic energy into noise! [Googles] Ahhhh ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_brake They don't fiddle with the valves, Actually, if you read the 'pedia article, that's exactly what they do. they just close a restrictor in the exhaust outlet. There's both types. The exhaust-flap is obviously the easier to retro-fit. |
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