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On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it, Can't think of any around here either. ... and always thought it crazy that you could go faster on a narrow road with blind bends than in a built up area on a straight with excellent visibility. Who will come of worse between a tractor and a car? A tractor. I've actually done that. I wrote off my first car by slamming into one. I was travelling along a straight country road (past GlenOchil prison) at about 70 or 80, and he pulled out of a farmtrack on my left without looking. Irritated, I overtook him, but he immediately turned right without indicating (I think) or checking his mirror. I collided with his right front wing, knocking the axle clean off, and spinning the tractor back onto the road, tipped forward with no front wheels. My Maestro wasn't as badly harmed and flew off onto some grass next to the road, a little crumpled at the front and with the front wheels misaligned. It was an old car and it was decided it was too expensive to bother repairing. Unfortunately I said to the insurance company "I couldn't see his indicator because of bright low sun", which caused them to blame me. It was the farmer's son driving, and he called his dad who actually had a go at him for not checking his mirror. He was a bit ****ed off because it was his only tractor, but he didn't have a bad word to say about me, in fact he gave me a lift home. A large rabbit I've driven along the narrow roads near Glendoll on many occasions, and at dusk there are tonnes of rabbits. I've braked hard and avoided every single one, but only because of ABS. The stupid things still just sit staring at me until I turn off the headlights. or even a pheasant can take out a headlight or smash a radiator grill. Hehehe, my friend's (when I were a lad at school) mum crashed her car into a ditch to avoid a pheasant, which I thought was rather odd, as her husband regularly went out shooting pheasants. A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. roe deer have long thin legs so will tend to get scooped up and have a good go at coming through the windscreen. A red deer, probably will come through the windscreen, you might survive... Funnily enough I've never had a problem with deer and my car, maybe as I tend to drive old noisy cars with big stereos, they hear me coming. I have however missed a deer by three feet when cycling. That gave me a bloody fright. There's a video on Youtube somewhere of one jumping into the side of a bicycle on a cross country race. -- A young teenager comes home from school and asks her mother, "Is it true what Rita just told me? That babies come out of the same place where boys put their thingies?" "Yes, dear," replies her mother, pleased that the subject had finally come up and she wouldn't have to explain it. "But then when I have a baby, won't it knock my teeth out?" |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:49:08 -0000, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message o.uk, Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it, Can't think of any around here either. Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a 30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph. Presumably there ought to be some de-restriction signs unless there is a general limit on Byways? None of my tractors can exceed 18mph so I don't feel tempted:-) Cool, your surname is apt for a farmer. -- As they say at Microsoft - "What do you want to reinstall today?" |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:49:08 -0000, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message o.uk, Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it, Can't think of any around here either. Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a 30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph. Presumably there ought to be some de-restriction signs unless there is a general limit on Byways? None of my tractors can exceed 18mph so I don't feel tempted:-) There is no 30 sign as you approach? Isn't it a derestriction on the other side of the sign? -- Q: What do you call the space between Pamela Anderson's breasts? A: Silicon Valley. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote: ----------------8 A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. The sheep was killed and the farmer claimed against Don for its value. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:12:36 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote: ----------------8 A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. The sheep was killed and the farmer claimed against Don for its value. Successfully? How did he prove it was the driver's fault? -- What's a diaphragm? A trampoline for dickheads. |
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Weatherlawyer scribeth thus On Saturday, 2 November 2013 11:38:20 UTC, tony sayer wrote: They advised my missus, 35 in a 30 zone, to drive around in Third gear all the time;!.. It works nicely for me. I seem to be able to keep to 30 mph exactly without constantly watching the clock. Besides which, modern cars are designed to prefer that gear at that speed; presumably they always were. Well the Audisaurus toddles along at 30 in 5th with no problems. I don't have a problem regulating the speed of my motah thanks;).. Why did she need to be told? Is it something to do with being female? No, not at all, in fact she's one of the very few drivers I feel totally safe with. Been driving here for 20 years and thats the only ticket shes picked up and no accidents either. -- Tony Sayer |
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Liquorice scribeth thus On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:19:50 +0000, tony sayer wrote: I rather suspect attendance on an SAC would only reinforce my long- standing belief in the need for regular re-testing of all drivers... Too much sense in that and too few votes it'll attract so it won't happen... Sadly... It's crazy that you can pass your test at 17 and not have any further formal training/education until 70. Even if it's just a morning in a classroom giving an update in the law changes since your last refresher. When I passed there were no seatbelt laws, no child seat laws, no mobile phone laws, no theory test, no basic maintenance, etc, etc There ought to be some basic visual (number plate at x metres) and hazard awareness/reaction tests (few minute driving simulation on a computer). Indeed it wouldn't happen if you had a PPL!.. -- Tony Sayer |
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Liquorice scribeth thus On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it, Can't think of any around here either. ... and always thought it crazy that you could go faster on a narrow road with blind bends than in a built up area on a straight with excellent visibility. Who will come of worse between a tractor and a car? A large rabbit or even a pheasant can take out a headlight or smash a radiator grill. A sheep would probably cause serious damage, roe deer have long thin legs so will tend to get scooped up and have a good go at coming through the windscreen. A red deer, probably will come through the windscreen, you might survive... Mate of mine had a new "ish" BMW written off by a wayward horse!.. A cow derailed a train once;!... 13 dead and 61 injured.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 11:42:53 -0000, tony sayer wrote:
In article o.uk, Dave Liquorice scribeth thus On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it, Can't think of any around here either. ... and always thought it crazy that you could go faster on a narrow road with blind bends than in a built up area on a straight with excellent visibility. Who will come of worse between a tractor and a car? A large rabbit or even a pheasant can take out a headlight or smash a radiator grill. A sheep would probably cause serious damage, roe deer have long thin legs so will tend to get scooped up and have a good go at coming through the windscreen. A red deer, probably will come through the windscreen, you might survive... Mate of mine had a new "ish" BMW written off by a wayward horse!.. Was it being ridden? You should drive slowly past horses, they scare easily. I only go about 5mph faster than the horse, in a high gear, and right over the other side of the road. If it were to panic, I could stop immediately. A cow derailed a train once;!... 13 dead and 61 injured.. Ouch. Did the 13 include the cow? What surprises me is the London underground. You get shaken about so much I'm surprised it stays on the rails. Are the wheels hooked under the rail too? -- We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful god, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes -- Gene Roddenberry |
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On 11/5/2013 10:12 AM, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter wrote:n On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave wrote: A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. Sheep do that sort of thing. A friend had a sheep land on his car, but both friend and sheep survived (car was a bit dented, though). The sheep was killed and the farmer claimed against Don for its value. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:11:13 -0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 11/5/2013 10:12 AM, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter wrote:n On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave wrote: A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. Sheep do that sort of thing. A friend had a sheep land on his car, but both friend and sheep survived (car was a bit dented, though). I've never seen a sheep jump. Even when it really wants to get over a fence. If they could all do it, fences would be pointless. Mind you.... http://youtu.be/EvYHyA3qkFw -- It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to the wall. |
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On 02/11/2013 15:04, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 02/11/2013 09:25, ARW wrote: It looks like I will now get my wish to see what they are like:-) The postie has just dropped off my NIP for doing 37 in a 30 zone. I knew on Thursday that I had been caught. Went on one a couple of weeks ago. 23 of us hardened criminals, mostly middle aged, fair few OAP's. First thing is - unless you toe the line & nod in all the right places - you fail the course. Second thing, they won't discuss the rights & wrongs of cameras or limits - it's a taboo subject. Think of 1984. You get tea & biscuits, 2 fag breaks, a free pen & copy of the highway code - and patronised for 4 hours. Basically a load of old ********. That's exactly how I found it, about 4 years ago (35mph in a 30 limit) - cost £60 then. Just best to grin and bear it. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:12:49 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
I've never seen a sheep jump. Even when it really wants to get over a fence. If they could all do it, fences would be pointless. Depends on the breed. The walls and fences around here keep all the other sheep in (pure bred Rough Fell and some Swaledales mainly) but not Herdwicks. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:39:45 +0000, tony sayer wrote:
Sadly... It's crazy that you can pass your test at 17 and not have any further formal training/education until 70. Indeed it wouldn't happen if you had a PPL!.. Or hold a HGV, Coach/Minibus, etc licence. -- Cheers Dave. |
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writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:25:01 -0000, dennis@home wrote: On 03/11/2013 18:35, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:25:55 -0000, dennis@home wrote: On 03/11/2013 09:30, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: The law is nothing about safety though. There are many reasons for a speed limit and safety may be one of them. Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean there are no good reasons for it to be there. Safety is the only sensible reason. And I know what speed's safe without being told thankyou very much. So you think its OK to annoy people by driving past their homes at 90 mph and making several orders of magnitude more noise than at 30 mph. That just shows how stupid you are. It gets me to my destination three times quicker, and the noise is made for a third of the time. No it doesn't because you will not be able to drive consistently at 90 to maintain that average. This is the fallacy promoted by people like you who always think they know best. -- bert |
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writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:25:55 +0000, dennis@home wrote: There are many reasons for a speed limit and safety may be one of them. No, safety is the only one. Of course, the safety in question is not only that of car occupants, but that of pedestrians and people using other modes of transport. Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean there are no good reasons for it to be there. When the default urban limit hits the 80th anniversary and the default dual-carriageway limit the 40th anniversary next year, followed by the the default extra-urban limit the 50th anniversary in 2015 - without any review at all in that time, despite massively different road conditions - it's kinda difficult sometimes to agree with that argument. ESPECIALLY when so many roads are having politically lowered limits, apparently shotgun-style. But the level of traffic has also increased considerably during the same time. -- bert |
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Liquorice writes On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:19:50 +0000, tony sayer wrote: I rather suspect attendance on an SAC would only reinforce my long- standing belief in the need for regular re-testing of all drivers... Too much sense in that and too few votes it'll attract so it won't happen... Sadly... It's crazy that you can pass your test at 17 and not have any further formal training/education until 70. For standard car licence there's no retraining at 70. Even if it's just a morning in a classroom giving an update in the law changes since your last refresher. When I passed there were no seatbelt laws, no child seat laws, no mobile phone laws, no theory test, no basic maintenance, etc, etc There ought to be some basic visual (number plate at x metres) and hazard awareness/reaction tests (few minute driving simulation on a computer). -- bert |
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-septemb er.org, Tim+ writes Graham. wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:00:57 +0000 (UTC), Adrian wrote: On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 16:41:46 +0000, ARW wrote: I find the bit about it not altering the way you drive interesting. I know several people who have attended the course. One of them came back with the statement "if there are streetlights then it IS a 30MPH limit end of". Another announced that the speed limit on a dual carriage is 60MPH! I just wonder if a lot of it is dumbed down. No, the dumbing-down was probably only the attendees themselves, remembering selectively. That's true. We had a discussion about the trend of road deaths since the mid '60 to reduce year on year from 6,000 to 2,000 It was surprising how much some of the group did not know, for example it was commonly believed that your exit had to be clear before entering a box junction when turning right. To be fair, it's a very poorly worded section of the HC and it's little wonder people are unsure about it. "You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right." Then, in London one such vehicle happens to be a bendy bus turning left, you are then stuck in the box and the lights change, number plate recognition kicks in and you get an automatic penalty. I think most people "play safe" by assuming the the first sentence applies to all situations. Tim -- bert |
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writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:50:18 +0000, Tim+ wrote: It was surprising how much some of the group did not know, for example it was commonly believed that your exit had to be clear before entering a box junction when turning right. To be fair, it's a very poorly worded section of the HC and it's little wonder people are unsure about it. "You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right." Seems clear enough. I think most people "play safe" by assuming the the first sentence applies to all situations. I have a horrible suspicion many of our fellow road users just go "Oooh. Yellow box. Pretty. Wonder what it means?", then stop and stare at it, with some then trying to chew it gently. Like the idiots around here who ignore them on level crossings. -- bert |
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Controlee writes On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 07:34:39 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote: charles wrote: Sometimes you have to read the label, too. there's a mile stretch of dual carriageway near here which has 50mph signs posted. Interesting one near me. 50 eastbound http://goo.gl/maps/AAKev NSL westbound http://goo.gl/maps/c9QbE That's unusual. I know stretches where the limit reduces to 30mph for several hundred yards approaching a roundabout (not such a bad idea in some circumstances) and, as a result, the opposite carriageway, carrying traffic in the other direction, away from the roundabout, is also restricted to 30mph (pointless, frustrating and inviting infringement). They must be the same on each lane on a single carriageway -- bert |
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writes On 03/11/2013 21:40, dennis@home wrote: On 03/11/2013 18:48, John Williamson wrote: charles wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits If you take all the single carriageway roads in the country, over 50% of the mileage has a 60mph limit. The maximum *safe* speed on them, on the other hand.... The maximum safe speed is the speed limit (or less) as other road users won't be expecting some idiot doing twice the limit and may well do something that it is normally safe to do. 30mph was deemed safe 80 years ago. Is it still the perfect speed limit? No, 20 is considered better in many old style terraces streets. The 70mph limit was brought in to save fuel, not to increase safety. People that claim the safe speed is higher than the speed limit assume they are the only road user and have X-ray vision so they can see through objects. So there is no difference between driving on an empty road at 5am and driving on the same road at 4pm? -- bert |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:53:15 -0000, bert ] wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:25:01 -0000, dennis@home wrote: On 03/11/2013 18:35, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:25:55 -0000, dennis@home wrote: On 03/11/2013 09:30, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: There are many reasons for a speed limit and safety may be one of them. Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean there are no good reasons for it to be there. Safety is the only sensible reason. And I know what speed's safe without being told thankyou very much. So you think its OK to annoy people by driving past their homes at 90 mph and making several orders of magnitude more noise than at 30 mph. That just shows how stupid you are. It gets me to my destination three times quicker, and the noise is made for a third of the time. No it doesn't because you will not be able to drive consistently at 90 to maintain that average. I could if pricks like you would get the **** out of my way. -- Thank you velly much. I'm not Wan King the chef, I'm Fu King the owner. |
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writes In message o.uk, Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it, Can't think of any around here either. Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a 30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph. BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per normal Presumably there ought to be some de-restriction signs unless there is a general limit on Byways? None of my tractors can exceed 18mph so I don't feel tempted:-) -- bert |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:00:15 +0000, bert wrote:
Then, in London one such vehicle happens to be a bendy bus turning left, Fairly unlikely, since there haven't been any bendibuses in service in London for two years. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:54:27 +0000, bert wrote:
Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean there are no good reasons for it to be there. When the default urban limit hits the 80th anniversary and the default dual-carriageway limit the 40th anniversary next year, followed by the the default extra-urban limit the 50th anniversary in 2015 - without any review at all in that time, despite massively different road conditions - it's kinda difficult sometimes to agree with that argument. ESPECIALLY when so many roads are having politically lowered limits, apparently shotgun-style. But the level of traffic has also increased considerably during the same time. Which part of "despite massively different road conditions" did you fail to read? Yes, traffic levels have risen. But speed limits should be set for clear roads. Traffic levels are one factor that drivers should take into account when deciding if the speed limit is an appropriate speed to drive at. OTOH, road surfaces have improved (yes, improved) massively. Vehicle capabilities have improved massively. Road user perceptions and expectations have improved massively. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:46:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:12:36 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote: ----------------8 A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. The sheep was killed and the farmer claimed against Don for its value. Successfully? How did he prove it was the driver's fault? It seems it wasn't necessary to prove anything. The sheep (a road hazard in the countryside) died in an impact with the car. There appeared to be nothing to discuss. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote:
In message , Tim Lamb writes In message o.uk, Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the lower limits How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it, Can't think of any around here either. Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a 30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph. BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per normal BOATS? -- I thought the wife would be the ideal candidate for a new TV show. Turns out I got it all wrong and the program's called Fact Hunt. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:21:46 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:46:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:12:36 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote: ----------------8 A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. The sheep was killed and the farmer claimed against Don for its value. Successfully? How did he prove it was the driver's fault? It seems it wasn't necessary to prove anything. The sheep (a road hazard in the countryside) died in an impact with the car. There appeared to be nothing to discuss. Ridiculous. -- I thought the wife would be the ideal candidate for a new TV show. Turns out I got it all wrong and the program's called Fact Hunt. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:26:45 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:21:46 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:46:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:12:36 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote: ----------------8 A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. The sheep was killed and the farmer claimed against Don for its value. Successfully? How did he prove it was the driver's fault? It seems it wasn't necessary to prove anything. The sheep (a road hazard in the countryside) died in an impact with the car. There appeared to be nothing to discuss. Ridiculous. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:26:45 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:21:46 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:46:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:12:36 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote: ----------------8 A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. The sheep was killed and the farmer claimed against Don for its value. Successfully? How did he prove it was the driver's fault? It seems it wasn't necessary to prove anything. The sheep (a road hazard in the countryside) died in an impact with the car. There appeared to be nothing to discuss. Ridiculous. But not as much as your signatures. |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:38:54 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:26:45 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:21:46 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:46:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:12:36 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: ----------------8 A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. The sheep was killed and the farmer claimed against Don for its value. Successfully? How did he prove it was the driver's fault? It seems it wasn't necessary to prove anything. The sheep (a road hazard in the countryside) died in an impact with the car. There appeared to be nothing to discuss. Ridiculous. Cat got your tongue? -- Time that you enjoy wasting, is not wasted time -- Marthe Troly-Curtin |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:39:37 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:26:45 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:21:46 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:46:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:12:36 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: ----------------8 A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. The sheep was killed and the farmer claimed against Don for its value. Successfully? How did he prove it was the driver's fault? It seems it wasn't necessary to prove anything. The sheep (a road hazard in the countryside) died in an impact with the car. There appeared to be nothing to discuss. Ridiculous. But not as much as your signatures. I've got 1139 of them. -- Flanders and Swann on MOT tests: Our car is getting a bit old, it'll have to be tested soon. You know they started these tests for 10-year-old cars, they brought it down to six, now five, they'll bring it down to three. There's even been some talk of having them tested before they leave the factories." |
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writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:11:13 -0000, S Viemeister wrote: On 11/5/2013 10:12 AM, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter wrote:n On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave wrote: A sheep would probably cause serious damage, They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a long way off. A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a relative of mine. Sheep do that sort of thing. A friend had a sheep land on his car, but both friend and sheep survived (car was a bit dented, though). I've never seen a sheep jump. Even when it really wants to get over a fence. If they could all do it, fences would be pointless. Mind you.... http://youtu.be/EvYHyA3qkFw Hebrideans are brilliant jumpers. -- bert |
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In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:53:15 -0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Gefreiter Krueger writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:25:01 -0000, dennis@home wrote: On 03/11/2013 18:35, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:25:55 -0000, dennis@home wrote: On 03/11/2013 09:30, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: There are many reasons for a speed limit and safety may be one of them. Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean there are no good reasons for it to be there. Safety is the only sensible reason. And I know what speed's safe without being told thankyou very much. So you think its OK to annoy people by driving past their homes at 90 mph and making several orders of magnitude more noise than at 30 mph. That just shows how stupid you are. It gets me to my destination three times quicker, and the noise is made for a third of the time. No it doesn't because you will not be able to drive consistently at 90 to maintain that average. I could if pricks like you would get the **** out of my way. And farm tractors? -- bert |
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In message , Adrian
writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:54:27 +0000, bert wrote: Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean there are no good reasons for it to be there. When the default urban limit hits the 80th anniversary and the default dual-carriageway limit the 40th anniversary next year, followed by the the default extra-urban limit the 50th anniversary in 2015 - without any review at all in that time, despite massively different road conditions - it's kinda difficult sometimes to agree with that argument. ESPECIALLY when so many roads are having politically lowered limits, apparently shotgun-style. But the level of traffic has also increased considerably during the same time. Which part of "despite massively different road conditions" did you fail to read? Which bit of traffic safety don't you understand - oh none of it. Yes, traffic levels have risen. But speed limits should be set for clear roads. I don't think you've thought that through. Traffic levels are one factor that drivers should take into account when deciding if the speed limit is an appropriate speed to drive at. Why should I rely on the competence of other drivers for my personal safety. OTOH, road surfaces have improved (yes, improved) massively. Vehicle capabilities have improved massively. Road user perceptions and expectations have improved massively. Reaction time - and distance travelled within it - is very much the same. Look at the number of young drivers esp male being involved in fatal accidents. They are probably no worse drivers than I was at that age but because of lower traffic levels I could make mistakes (AKA do something stupid) and get away with it. Today they hit something. This despite all the "massive improvements" you claim to have come about which should be reducing accident levels. Your arguments simply do not ad up. -- bert |
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In message , Adrian
writes On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:00:15 +0000, bert wrote: Then, in London one such vehicle happens to be a bendy bus turning left, Fairly unlikely, since there haven't been any bendibuses in service in London for two years. For bendy bus read any large long vehicle e.g.artic. I used the bb example as my son used to curse them regularly for just this reason. I just renew somebody would have to come along with a comment like yours. -- bert |
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In message , Apellation
Controlee writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:53:36 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:45:11 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:27:54 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 15:19:07 -0000, ARW wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 02/11/13 09:25, ARW wrote: It looks like I will now get my wish to see what they are like:-) The postie has just dropped off my NIP for doing 37 in a 30 zone. I knew on Thursday that I had been caught. do what I did: ignore it. (similar speeds: I THOUGHT it was a 40...) They said 'you will be reported to the police' I may have well been, but the police didn't act. In reality they make no money from reporting you to the police, so they don't bother. ********. I had a trip to S****horpe magistrates last year for "ignoring" a NIP. I actually never received it as it was posted next door and no-one was living there at the time. I got the failure to supply the drivers details (that a 6 pointer) dropped and got away with a £65 for speeding (plus £40 costs and £15 victim surcharge) Don't they make you sign for the letter? They go on the principle that the act of posting is proof of delivery. ****wits. Do they think the Royal Mail is infallible? Apparently. Some years ago I found that a warrant had been issued for my arrest because I had failed to answer a summons for a traffic matter. We had moved house soon after the incident in question occurred but, although my driving licence and the vehicle reg doc had been updated, the police were unable to find me when they sprang into action six months after the event. The mail redirection arrangement had expired, so communications from the police went unanswered. Something you often see in contracts. Notice is deemed to be delivered on the day after posting by Royal Mail First Class- or similar. -- bert |
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In message , Apellation
Controlee writes On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:21:35 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:04:26 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:48:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger" wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:43:09 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote: ----------------8 Apparently. Some years ago I found that a warrant had been issued for my arrest because I had failed to answer a summons for a traffic matter. We had moved house soon after the incident in question occurred but, although my driving licence and the vehicle reg doc had been updated, the police were unable to find me when they sprang into action six months after the event. The mail redirection arrangement had expired, so communications from the police went unanswered. I guess I can understand that. They probably just looked at the address on file for you when you were originally summoned. Doesn't quite square with being unable to find me, which was what was claimed. Ah well yes. Perhaps they should have checked more thoroughly at that point. Although why would they think you'd moved? Not such an uncommon eventuality, I would have thought. You didn't call one a pleb by any chance? -- bert |
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In message , www.GymRatZ.co.uk
writes On 02/11/2013 09:41, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: You must have some right *******s around there. Nobody here has ever been done for less than 10 over the limit. And I've often got away with more than that - once it was 95 in a 70! "10% + a couple" is a safe rule of thumb so I was told many years ago. :) Based on a misunderstanding of the regulations covering accuracy of speedometers. -- bert |
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In message , John Williamson
writes Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:22:49 -0000, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote: On 02/11/2013 09:41, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: You must have some right *******s around there. Nobody here has ever been done for less than 10 over the limit. And I've often got away with more than that - once it was 95 in a 70! "10% + a couple" is a safe rule of thumb so I was told many years ago. :) So was I, but I think that's too complicated for police. They usually go by "+10". Unless you're in North Wales, where the rule is allegedly "+1". And you can delete the "allegedly" -- bert |
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