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Cig smoke smell, which paint
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What paint would be best to stop walls ponging of cigs? I've been offered Zinnzer coverstain, a 30min drying oil based paint, but no experience with it. Other perhapses include shellac and ali flake wood primer. I'd have got the ali flake stuff but what I'm being offered is solvent based, which would create problems. Any suggestions? thanks, NT |
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wrote: Hi folks What paint would be best to stop walls ponging of cigs? I've been offered Zinnzer coverstain, a 30min drying oil based paint, but no experience with it. Other perhapses include shellac and ali flake wood primer. I'd have got the ali flake stuff but what I'm being offered is solvent based, which would create problems. Any suggestions? Have you given the walls a good wash down with sugar soap first - and well rinsed down? And repeat as necessary? Snag with the smell is it may be hiding in other places more difficult to get at. -- *Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder... Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Monday, August 12, 2013 3:45:09 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , wrote: Hi folks What paint would be best to stop walls ponging of cigs? I've been offered Zinnzer coverstain, a 30min drying oil based paint, but no experience with it. Other perhapses include shellac and ali flake wood primer. I'd have got the ali flake stuff but what I'm being offered is solvent based, which would create problems. Any suggestions? Have you given the walls a good wash down with sugar soap first - and well rinsed down? And repeat as necessary? Snag with the smell is it may be hiding in other places more difficult to get at. Sugar soap will be used, but its pretty bad so I expect it to need more. NT |
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wrote: Have you given the walls a good wash down with sugar soap first - and well rinsed down? And repeat as necessary? Snag with the smell is it may be hiding in other places more difficult to get at. Sugar soap will be used, but its pretty bad so I expect it to need more. Pretty well all everything in tobacco smoke is water soluble, so a good wash should get rid of most of it from hard surfaces. -- *What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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(News) wrote: In article , wrote: Have you given the walls a good wash down with sugar soap first - and well rinsed down? And repeat as necessary? Snag with the smell is it may be hiding in other places more difficult to get at. Sugar soap will be used, but its pretty bad so I expect it to need more. Pretty well all everything in tobacco smoke is water soluble, so a good wash should get rid of most of it from hard surfaces. Then when you think it's all gone, you need to get something out of the loft . . . John -- John Mulrooney NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while. No matter how early you arrive, someone else is in line first. |
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On 12/08/2013 23:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , wrote: Have you given the walls a good wash down with sugar soap first - and well rinsed down? And repeat as necessary? Snag with the smell is it may be hiding in other places more difficult to get at. Sugar soap will be used, but its pretty bad so I expect it to need more. Pretty well all everything in tobacco smoke is water soluble, so a good wash should get rid of most of it from hard surfaces. Can't wash it off your fingers. ISTR that was the punchline for a government anti-smoking advert |
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On Monday, August 12, 2013 11:36:28 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , wrote: Have you given the walls a good wash down with sugar soap first - and well rinsed down? And repeat as necessary? Snag with the smell is it may be hiding in other places more difficult to get at. Sugar soap will be used, but its pretty bad so I expect it to need more. Pretty well all everything in tobacco smoke is water soluble, so a good wash should get rid of most of it from hard surfaces. thats good news, the carpet's been thorough;y cleaned. NT |
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wrote in message ... On Monday, August 12, 2013 11:36:28 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , wrote: Have you given the walls a good wash down with sugar soap first - and well rinsed down? And repeat as necessary? Snag with the smell is it may be hiding in other places more difficult to get at. Sugar soap will be used, but its pretty bad so I expect it to need more. Pretty well all everything in tobacco smoke is water soluble, so a good wash should get rid of most of it from hard surfaces. thats good news, the carpet's been thorough;y cleaned. NT I recently painted a room, which literally stank of nicotine, with Wickes white exterior, oil based undercoat. This included four walls and the ceiling and all were a light to medium brown colour from the smoke. One liberal coat, applied with a four inch roller was enough to seal all surfaces. I didn't bother with sugar soap. I then painted with emulsions of my choice with no problem. I was concerned that the nicotine would bleed through the undercoat but it worked a treat! The floor was laminate so I ran a steam mop over it a couple of times to remove any tobacco smells. |
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On 13/08/2013 11:06, stuart noble wrote:
On 12/08/2013 23:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , wrote: Have you given the walls a good wash down with sugar soap first - and well rinsed down? And repeat as necessary? Snag with the smell is it may be hiding in other places more difficult to get at. Sugar soap will be used, but its pretty bad so I expect it to need more. Pretty well all everything in tobacco smoke is water soluble, so a good wash should get rid of most of it from hard surfaces. Can't wash it off your fingers. ISTR that was the punchline for a government anti-smoking advert One of the many banned by the ASA? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:07:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Hi folks What paint would be best to stop walls ponging of cigs? I've used cheap bio clothes liquid [or powder] solution, and wash walls using a soft bristle car brush. Brown rivers of tar running down the wall... yuck, but strangely satisfying. Normal emulsion went on fine afterwards. |
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On 15/08/2013 19:47, Simon Cee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:07:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Hi folks What paint would be best to stop walls ponging of cigs? I've used cheap bio clothes liquid [or powder] solution, and wash walls using a soft bristle car brush. Brown rivers of tar running down the wall... yuck, but strangely satisfying. Normal emulsion went on fine afterwards. Interesting. So Dave is wrong about the tar being water soluble then? |
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stuart noble wrote: On 15/08/2013 19:47, Simon Cee wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:07:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Hi folks What paint would be best to stop walls ponging of cigs? I've used cheap bio clothes liquid [or powder] solution, and wash walls using a soft bristle car brush. Brown rivers of tar running down the wall... yuck, but strangely satisfying. Normal emulsion went on fine afterwards. Interesting. So Dave is wrong about the tar being water soluble then? I can't see why you'd use a clothes cleaner rather than sugar soap. Which is the standard way of washing down paintwork. And does remove the effects of fag smoke. Bio might be ideal for curtains in a smoking room, though. -- *Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 16/08/2013 11:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , stuart noble wrote: On 15/08/2013 19:47, Simon Cee wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:07:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Hi folks What paint would be best to stop walls ponging of cigs? I've used cheap bio clothes liquid [or powder] solution, and wash walls using a soft bristle car brush. Brown rivers of tar running down the wall... yuck, but strangely satisfying. Normal emulsion went on fine afterwards. Interesting. So Dave is wrong about the tar being water soluble then? I can't see why you'd use a clothes cleaner rather than sugar soap. Which is the standard way of washing down paintwork. And does remove the effects of fag smoke. Bio might be ideal for curtains in a smoking room, though. Last time I used sugar soap it was some kind of abrasive with I guess added surfactants. Ok for woodwork but not much use on walls. Bio is pretty weird stuff. Made a right mess of a saw blade I left soaking in it. Pitted it very badly IIRC |
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stuart noble wrote: Last time I used sugar soap it was some kind of abrasive with I guess added surfactants. Ok for woodwork but not much use on walls. Bio is pretty weird stuff. Made a right mess of a saw blade I left soaking in it. Pitted it very badly IIRC Sugar soap is for washing down painted surfaces. You dissolve it in warm water. Doesn't much matter what is beneath the paint. -- *If at first you do succeed, try not to look too astonished. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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stuart noble wrote:
Last time I used sugar soap it was some kind of abrasive with I guess added surfactants. Err no. Sugar soap is sodium phosphate or should be but there's been much mucking about with it over the years. That's why it feels gritty but you're supposed to dissolve it in warm water. -- €˘DarWin| _/ _/ |
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On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:21:48 +0100, stuart noble
wrote: I've used cheap bio clothes liquid [or powder] solution, and wash walls using a soft bristle car brush. Brown rivers of tar running down the wall... yuck, but strangely satisfying. Normal emulsion went on fine afterwards. Interesting. So Dave is wrong about the tar being water soluble then? I don't know. I'm not going to contradict him - I'm no expert by any means. Bio solution works v well tho, and with v little effort. Whichever method... far better to wash the tar/smell off IMO, rather than covering or sealing it in. |
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On 16/08/2013 18:27, Steve Firth wrote:
stuart noble wrote: Last time I used sugar soap it was some kind of abrasive with I guess added surfactants. Err no. Sugar soap is sodium phosphate or should be but there's been much mucking about with it over the years. That's why it feels gritty but you're supposed to dissolve it in warm water. The original tub I had contained TSP and a silicate abrasive, but that was many moons ago. The current Mangers brand contains mainly bath salts |
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Huge wrote: The original tub I had contained TSP and a silicate abrasive, but that was many moons ago. The current Mangers brand contains mainly bath salts Elfin Safety or the EU? Both of them seem determined to ban anything That Just Works. I've just been using some of Wicks own brand stuff and it works as well as ever. I can't see why you'd use anything else for cleaning paint prior to painting. -- *If I worked as much as others, I would do as little as they * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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