Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:21:35 PM UTC, harry wrote:
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.

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https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

yes I heard this on the radio this morning, something like 1.6 Billion a year, but I was half asleep or is that half awake.

Strange that considering I was told by someone on here yesyerday that it was run by a charity/charities

On Tuesday 26 March 2013 16:21 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
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Done

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On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283


HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

On Mar 26, 4:37*pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

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On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military
operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police
helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell

On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

Colin Bignell

On 26/03/2013 16:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military
operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police
helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell

The traditional justification for SAR being military was to provide
training. If made non-military, how then will the remaining military SAR
get trained? Dummy missions only?

(The military will still require SAR facilities elsewhere than round here.)

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:36 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

Done

Harry is behind the times again. It's a bit late now it's a done and
dusted deal. Should have made a fuss back in 2011 when this was first
mooted and the procurment process started.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military
operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police
helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell

Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian
pilot's hair curl.

Tim

On 26/03/2013 16:58, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

It still makes sense to be able to do military search and rescue though.
Domestic SAR work provides very realistic training.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

Colin Bignell

So to avoid that short term hardware cost and retaining trained SAR
teams we outsource it and get royally ripped off in the longer term
losing most of our military SAR capability too. How very clever

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military
operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police
helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell

Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian
pilot's hair curl.

Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots?

Colin Bignell

On 26/03/2013 16:59, polygonum wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we
need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military
operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police
helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell

The traditional justification for SAR being military was to provide
training. If made non-military, how then will the remaining military SAR
get trained? Dummy missions only?

(The military will still require SAR facilities elsewhere than round here.)

The questions being, do really they need as much training as running SAR
around Britain provides and do they need as many SAR helicopters as that
requires? If yes, then that could be a justification for buying new
helicopters and continuing the service. Otherwise, it makes sense to
find other ways to train.

Colin Bignell

On 26/03/2013 17:13, Martin Brown wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:58, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

It still makes sense to be able to do military search and rescue though.
Domestic SAR work provides very realistic training.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

Colin Bignell

So to avoid that short term hardware cost and retaining trained SAR
teams we outsource it and get royally ripped off in the longer term
losing most of our military SAR capability too. How very clever


The money for the equipment has to come from somewhere and, in the
current climate, that somewhere will be things that front line troops
need. The Coastguard and Police seem quite capable of running SAR in my
area.

Colin Bignell

Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military
operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police
helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell

Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian
pilot's hair curl.

Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots?

Colin Bignell

Do they fly under the same H&S regs? I strongly suspect military pilots
have more leeway.

Tim

On 26/03/2013 18:42, Tim+ wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military
operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police
helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell

Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian
pilot's hair curl.

Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots?

Colin Bignell

Do they fly under the same H&S regs? I strongly suspect military pilots
have more leeway.

The rules are set by the CAA and a Police Operator's Licence probably
gives more leeway than military pilots have in civil airspace, although
most rules can be overridden by the need to save life.

Colin Bignell

In message
,
harry writes
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

Does this mean that Prince William could get Tuped over to Bristow's?

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In message , Bill
writes
In message
,
harry writes
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

Does this mean that Prince William could get Tuped over to Bristow's?


Mutterings on the news this afternoon suggested that the service
personnel would have to apply for jobs rather than be moved.


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In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

And a private contractor gets these for free?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

And a private contractor gets these for free?


They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things
the Armed Forces need.

Colin Bignell

In message
,
harry writes
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283
The deal was done and announced some time ago.
--
bert

In message , Nightjar
writes
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a
military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the
Police helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell
Mountain rescue helicopters are run by RAF. Their main purpose is
recovery of RAF pilots
Mountain rescue teams are volunteers.
--
bert

In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

And a private contractor gets these for free?


They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things
the Armed Forces need.

Ah - the nonsense of one government body saving money by spending more tax
payer's hard earned in a different way.

Rather like the way they reduced the number of civil servants by sacking
the cleaners and giving the work to a contractor in the H of P. Which cost
more in actual cash terms - but looked wonderful on paper.

--
*No hand signals. Driver on Viagra*

Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee
the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there
is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would
need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

And a private contractor gets these for free?


They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things
the Armed Forces need.

Ah - the nonsense of one government body saving money by spending more tax
payer's hard earned in a different way.

Rather like the way they reduced the number of civil servants by sacking
the cleaners and giving the work to a contractor in the H of P. Which cost
more in actual cash terms - but looked wonderful on paper.

Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an
empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house is
now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the house,
it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less services,
bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm wondering which way
to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley?

On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:08:20 -0000, "bm" wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee
the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there
is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would
need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

And a private contractor gets these for free?


They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things
the Armed Forces need.

Ah - the nonsense of one government body saving money by spending more tax
payer's hard earned in a different way.

Rather like the way they reduced the number of civil servants by sacking
the cleaners and giving the work to a contractor in the H of P. Which cost
more in actual cash terms - but looked wonderful on paper.

Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an
empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house is
now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the house,
it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less services,
bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm wondering which way
to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley?

Our local authority actually PAYS a couple of FULL TIME trade union
officials at the Civic Centre _and_ provides them with office
facilities...

--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland

On Mar 26, 5:13*pm, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:58, Nightjar wrote:

On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
* * Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

It still makes sense to be able to do military search and rescue though.
Domestic SAR work provides very realistic training.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

Colin Bignell

So to avoid that short term hardware cost and retaining trained SAR
teams we outsource it and get royally ripped off in the longer term
losing most of our military SAR capability too. How very clever

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That about sums up political thinking these days.
The sort of thinking that got us in the electricity mess we are in
right now.

The privatised firm will be able to get ex-military pilots at the
moment. But when the supply of them runs out, who will pay for the
cost of training new pilots?

On Mar 26, 5:09*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:36 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

Done

Harry is behind the times again. It's a bit late now it's a done and
dusted deal. Should have made a fuss back in 2011 when this was first
mooted and the procurment process started.

--
Cheers
Dave.

It has been hidden from us 'til now.
If you knew,why didn't you speak up earlier?

On Mar 26, 6:01*pm, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
*Martin Brown wrote:

So to avoid that short term hardware cost and retaining trained SAR
teams we outsource it and get royally ripped off in the longer term
losing most of our military SAR capability too. How very clever

You can justify "royally ripped off" can you, with facts and figures? Or
is it more bluster.

--
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" *-- *Bill of Rights 1689

Who will pay for pilot training?
When the existing organisation is dismantled, they will be able charge
what they like as there will be no competition.

On Mar 26, 6:15*pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote:









Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military
operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police
helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell

Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian
pilot's hair curl.

Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots?

Colin Bignell

There will be none ina few years for them to hire.

On 27/03/2013 00:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines.

As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service.

The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need
to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are
fairly specialised bits of kit.

And a private contractor gets these for free?


They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things
the Armed Forces need.

Ah - the nonsense of one government body saving money by spending more tax
payer's hard earned in a different way.

Nothing to do with whether there is an overall saving or not so far as I
am concerned. I am only interested in whether what money there is in the
military budget gets spent in a way that best helps the front line troops.

Colin Bignell

In article om, bm
wrote:

[Snip]

Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an
empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house
is now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the
house, it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less
services, bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm
wondering which way to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley?


no, it's not your local council's idea. It came from Westminster and has to
be implemented by the your Council.

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 27/03/2013 06:52, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 6:15 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote:









Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military
operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police
helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell

Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian
pilot's hair curl.

Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots?

Colin Bignell

There will be none ina few years for them to hire.

Rubbish. The military aren't going to stop using helicopters just
because they are no longer doing SAR around Britain.

Colin Bignell

On 27/03/2013 00:12, bert wrote:
In message , Nightjar
writes
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:

Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the
new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the
Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is
going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we
need to
get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days.

Colin Bignell

Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea.
They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians
military etc.

Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a
military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and
the Police helicopter also does searches.

Colin Bignell
Mountain rescue helicopters are run by RAF. Their main purpose is
recovery of RAF pilots

How many downed RAF pilots needed to be rescued last year?

Colin Bignell

..

bm :
Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an
empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house is
now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the house,
it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less services,
bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm wondering which way
to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley?

You make the mistake of confusing paying Council Tax with buying
services. It doesn't work like that, never did, and was never intended
to.

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On 27/03/2013 01:08, bm wrote:

Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an
empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house is
now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the house,
it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less services,
bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm wondering which way
to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley?



The discount is up to the council.
Increasing it to 150% probably requires a legal fight.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:49:55 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

Harry is behind the times again. It's a bit late now it's a done and
dusted deal. Should have made a fuss back in 2011 when this was first
mooted and the procurment process started.

It has been hidden from us 'til now.

Don't talk rubbish and I was wrong about 2011, it was early 2010:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8506806.stm 9 Feb 2010
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-11672272 2 Nov 2010
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11793069 18 Nov 2010
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11977239 12 Dec 2010
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12389512 8 Feb 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15179055 5 Oct 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-15926403 28 Nov
2011

Most of those stories have links to others as well, plenty of coverage

If you knew,why didn't you speak up earlier?

With that amount of coverage anyone with half a deaf ear to the ground
would have picked it up.

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Cheers
Dave.

And while we are about it, the fact that RNLI is really not funded by
Government should have been a scandal for years, or are we saying that the
insurance you obviously take out when you go for a walk is going to pay for
you if you go for a sail instead?

Brian

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"harry" wrote in message
...
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
Sign the e-petition here about this matter.

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283

On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:41:04 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:


Our local authority actually PAYS a couple of FULL TIME trade union
officials at the Civic Centre _and_ provides them with office
facilities...

Presumably the recognised union(s). I don't think they have a choice
under employment/union law.

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Cheers
Dave.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:48:47 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

The privatised firm will be able to get ex-military pilots at the
moment. But when the supply of them runs out,

So the military are not going to fly any helicopters at all?

... who will pay for the cost of training new pilots?

We will, as is the case now. The path the money takes is just a bit
different.

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Cheers
Dave.