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Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue.
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On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:21:35 PM UTC, harry wrote:
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 yes I heard this on the radio this morning, something like 1.6 Billion a year, but I was half asleep or is that half awake. Strange that considering I was told by someone on here yesyerday that it was run by a charity/charities |
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On Tuesday 26 March 2013 16:21 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 Done -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage Reading this on the web? See: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Usenet |
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On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote:
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell |
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On Mar 26, 4:37*pm, Nightjar
wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. |
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Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. -- *Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell |
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On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are fairly specialised bits of kit. Colin Bignell |
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On 26/03/2013 16:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell The traditional justification for SAR being military was to provide training. If made non-military, how then will the remaining military SAR get trained? Dummy missions only? (The military will still require SAR facilities elsewhere than round here.) -- Rod |
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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:36 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 Done Harry is behind the times again. It's a bit late now it's a done and dusted deal. Should have made a fuss back in 2011 when this was first mooted and the procurment process started. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian pilot's hair curl. Tim |
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On 26/03/2013 16:58, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It still makes sense to be able to do military search and rescue though. Domestic SAR work provides very realistic training. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are fairly specialised bits of kit. Colin Bignell So to avoid that short term hardware cost and retaining trained SAR teams we outsource it and get royally ripped off in the longer term losing most of our military SAR capability too. How very clever :( -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote:
Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian pilot's hair curl. Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots? Colin Bignell |
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On 26/03/2013 16:59, polygonum wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:49, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell The traditional justification for SAR being military was to provide training. If made non-military, how then will the remaining military SAR get trained? Dummy missions only? (The military will still require SAR facilities elsewhere than round here.) The questions being, do really they need as much training as running SAR around Britain provides and do they need as many SAR helicopters as that requires? If yes, then that could be a justification for buying new helicopters and continuing the service. Otherwise, it makes sense to find other ways to train. Colin Bignell |
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On 26/03/2013 17:13, Martin Brown wrote:
On 26/03/2013 16:58, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It still makes sense to be able to do military search and rescue though. Domestic SAR work provides very realistic training. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are fairly specialised bits of kit. Colin Bignell So to avoid that short term hardware cost and retaining trained SAR teams we outsource it and get royally ripped off in the longer term losing most of our military SAR capability too. How very clever :( The money for the equipment has to come from somewhere and, in the current climate, that somewhere will be things that front line troops need. The Coastguard and Police seem quite capable of running SAR in my area. Colin Bignell |
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Nightjar wrote:
On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote: Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian pilot's hair curl. Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots? Colin Bignell Do they fly under the same H&S regs? I strongly suspect military pilots have more leeway. Tim |
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On 26/03/2013 18:42, Tim+ wrote:
Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote: Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian pilot's hair curl. Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots? Colin Bignell Do they fly under the same H&S regs? I strongly suspect military pilots have more leeway. The rules are set by the CAA and a Police Operator's Licence probably gives more leeway than military pilots have in civil airspace, although most rules can be overridden by the need to save life. Colin Bignell |
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, harry writes Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 Does this mean that Prince William could get Tuped over to Bristow's? -- Bill |
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writes In message , harry writes Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 Does this mean that Prince William could get Tuped over to Bristow's? Mutterings on the news this afternoon suggested that the service personnel would have to apply for jobs rather than be moved. Adrian -- To Reply : replace "diy" with "news" and reverse the domain If you are reading this from a web interface eg DIY Banter, DIY Forum or Google Groups, please be aware this is NOT a forum, and you are merely using a web portal to a USENET group. Many people block posters coming from web portals due to perceieved SPAM or inaneness. For a better method of access, please see: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Usenet |
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On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are fairly specialised bits of kit. And a private contractor gets these for free? They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things the Armed Forces need. Colin Bignell |
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, harry writes Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 The deal was done and announced some time ago. -- bert |
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In message , Nightjar
writes On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell Mountain rescue helicopters are run by RAF. Their main purpose is recovery of RAF pilots Mountain rescue teams are volunteers. -- bert |
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Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are fairly specialised bits of kit. And a private contractor gets these for free? They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things the Armed Forces need. Ah - the nonsense of one government body saving money by spending more tax payer's hard earned in a different way. Rather like the way they reduced the number of civil servants by sacking the cleaners and giving the work to a contractor in the H of P. Which cost more in actual cash terms - but looked wonderful on paper. -- *No hand signals. Driver on Viagra* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are fairly specialised bits of kit. And a private contractor gets these for free? They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things the Armed Forces need. Ah - the nonsense of one government body saving money by spending more tax payer's hard earned in a different way. Rather like the way they reduced the number of civil servants by sacking the cleaners and giving the work to a contractor in the H of P. Which cost more in actual cash terms - but looked wonderful on paper. Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house is now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the house, it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less services, bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm wondering which way to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley? |
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On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:08:20 -0000, "bm" wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are fairly specialised bits of kit. And a private contractor gets these for free? They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things the Armed Forces need. Ah - the nonsense of one government body saving money by spending more tax payer's hard earned in a different way. Rather like the way they reduced the number of civil servants by sacking the cleaners and giving the work to a contractor in the H of P. Which cost more in actual cash terms - but looked wonderful on paper. Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house is now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the house, it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less services, bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm wondering which way to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley? Our local authority actually PAYS a couple of FULL TIME trade union officials at the Civic Centre _and_ provides them with office facilities... -- Frank Erskine Sunderland |
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On Mar 26, 5:13*pm, Martin Brown
wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:58, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , * * Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It still makes sense to be able to do military search and rescue though. Domestic SAR work provides very realistic training. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are fairly specialised bits of kit. Colin Bignell So to avoid that short term hardware cost and retaining trained SAR teams we outsource it and get royally ripped off in the longer term losing most of our military SAR capability too. How very clever :( -- Regards, Martin Brown That about sums up political thinking these days. The sort of thinking that got us in the electricity mess we are in right now. The privatised firm will be able to get ex-military pilots at the moment. But when the supply of them runs out, who will pay for the cost of training new pilots? |
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On Mar 26, 5:09*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:36 +0000, Tim Watts wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 Done Harry is behind the times again. It's a bit late now it's a done and dusted deal. Should have made a fuss back in 2011 when this was first mooted and the procurment process started. -- Cheers Dave. It has been hidden from us 'til now. If you knew,why didn't you speak up earlier? |
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On Mar 26, 6:01*pm, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , *Martin Brown wrote: So to avoid that short term hardware cost and retaining trained SAR teams we outsource it and get royally ripped off in the longer term losing most of our military SAR capability too. How very clever :( You can justify "royally ripped off" can you, with facts and figures? Or is it more bluster. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" *-- *Bill of Rights 1689 Who will pay for pilot training? When the existing organisation is dismantled, they will be able charge what they like as there will be no competition. |
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On Mar 26, 6:15*pm, Nightjar
wrote: On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote: Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian pilot's hair curl. Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots? Colin Bignell There will be none ina few years for them to hire. |
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On 27/03/2013 00:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 23:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. As I understood it, they were paid to provide the service. The problem is that, if they were to continue to do it, they would need to replace their ageing fleet of helicopters and SAR helicopters are fairly specialised bits of kit. And a private contractor gets these for free? They don't come out of the defence budget at the expense of other things the Armed Forces need. Ah - the nonsense of one government body saving money by spending more tax payer's hard earned in a different way. Nothing to do with whether there is an overall saving or not so far as I am concerned. I am only interested in whether what money there is in the military budget gets spent in a way that best helps the front line troops. Colin Bignell |
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In article om, bm
wrote: [Snip] Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house is now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the house, it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less services, bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm wondering which way to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley? no, it's not your local council's idea. It came from Westminster and has to be implemented by the your Council. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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On 27/03/2013 06:52, harry wrote:
On Mar 26, 6:15 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 17:12, Tim+ wrote: Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell Because the military will fly in conditions that would make any civilian pilot's hair curl. Where do you think the Police and Coastguard hire their pilots? Colin Bignell There will be none ina few years for them to hire. Rubbish. The military aren't going to stop using helicopters just because they are no longer doing SAR around Britain. Colin Bignell |
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On 27/03/2013 00:12, bert wrote:
In message , Nightjar writes On 26/03/2013 16:41, harry wrote: On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Nightjar wrote: On 26/03/2013 16:21, harry wrote: Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 HM Coastguard runs the ones around here and AIUI, they will oversee the new service in much the same way. Personally, in times when the Services' budget is being cut, I would rather see what money there is going to equip the troops on the front lines. It is not as if we need to get a lot of downed pilots out of The Channel these days. Colin Bignell Tch. The service is for ANYONE in trouble on land or sea. They fly in all weathers,sea rescue, mountain rescue civilians military etc. Exactly, so what particular reason is there for the SAR to be a military operation? As I said, the Coastguard do it around here and the Police helicopter also does searches. Colin Bignell Mountain rescue helicopters are run by RAF. Their main purpose is recovery of RAF pilots How many downed RAF pilots needed to be rescued last year? Colin Bignell .. |
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bm :
Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house is now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the house, it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less services, bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm wondering which way to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley? You make the mistake of confusing paying Council Tax with buying services. It doesn't work like that, never did, and was never intended to. -- Mike Barnes |
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On 27/03/2013 01:08, bm wrote:
Our local council has come up with a winner - council tax - if you own an empty house you used to get a rebate of 50%. Not any more, if your house is now empty for 2 years you now pay 150% council tax. So, you own the house, it has f-all to do with the council (IMO), you are using far less services, bin collections etc but it costs you 150% ? C'mon. I'm wondering which way to go on this, it can't be legal, shirley? The discount is up to the council. Increasing it to 150% probably requires a legal fight. |
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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:49:55 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:
Harry is behind the times again. It's a bit late now it's a done and dusted deal. Should have made a fuss back in 2011 when this was first mooted and the procurment process started. It has been hidden from us 'til now. Don't talk rubbish and I was wrong about 2011, it was early 2010: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8506806.stm 9 Feb 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-11672272 2 Nov 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11793069 18 Nov 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11977239 12 Dec 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12389512 8 Feb 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15179055 5 Oct 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-15926403 28 Nov 2011 Most of those stories have links to others as well, plenty of coverage If you knew,why didn't you speak up earlier? With that amount of coverage anyone with half a deaf ear to the ground would have picked it up. -- Cheers Dave. |
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And while we are about it, the fact that RNLI is really not funded by
Government should have been a scandal for years, or are we saying that the insurance you obviously take out when you go for a walk is going to pay for you if you go for a sail instead? Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "harry" wrote in message ... Latest thing to be sold off, search and rescue. Sign the e-petition here about this matter. https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/45283 |
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On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:41:04 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:
Our local authority actually PAYS a couple of FULL TIME trade union officials at the Civic Centre _and_ provides them with office facilities... Presumably the recognised union(s). I don't think they have a choice under employment/union law. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:48:47 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:
The privatised firm will be able to get ex-military pilots at the moment. But when the supply of them runs out, So the military are not going to fly any helicopters at all? ... who will pay for the cost of training new pilots? We will, as is the case now. The path the money takes is just a bit different. -- Cheers Dave. |
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