Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?

On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?


Do you mean like Gorilla Glue? Readily available on line and from good
ironmongers. Comes in a variety of sizes.

On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?


just about any tools shop, woodshop or timber yard ... Jewson for example.

All stock bottles of Polyurethane

also nice easy one for you ... Screwfix sell this, 236ml up to 1000ml
bottles

On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?



http://www.screwfix.com/p/joiners-ma...ve-500ml/44485

But I have actually found this:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/evostik-po...ve-310ml/40778

has a better life after unsealing the container. Has a re-attachable
screw cap on the nozzle. It is white and seems to work well. I think it
foams somewhat less than others.

--
Rod

On 04/01/13 20:23, newshound wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?


Do you mean like Gorilla Glue? Readily available on line and from good
ironmongers. Comes in a variety of sizes.


someone did a test on this glue, and various others. it came out worst.
Even epoxy was better strength and gap[ filling.

Guess what topped out?

White carpenters glue, the cheapest **** there is.


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On 4 Jan, 21:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

someone did a test on this glue, and various others. it came out worst.
Even epoxy was better strength and gap[ filling.

Guess what topped out?

White carpenters glue, the cheapest **** there is.

not this one then
http://woodgears.ca/joint_strength/glue.html

Jim K

On 04/01/2013 20:57, polygonum wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?



http://www.screwfix.com/p/joiners-ma...ve-500ml/44485

But I have actually found this:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/evostik-po...ve-310ml/40778

has a better life after unsealing the container. Has a re-attachable
screw cap on the nozzle. It is white and seems to work well. I think it
foams somewhat less than others.


Toolstation list several PU adhesives as well

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Adhe...VA/d180/sd3198

On 04/01/2013 21:59, newshound wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:57, polygonum wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?



http://www.screwfix.com/p/joiners-ma...ve-500ml/44485

But I have actually found this:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/evostik-po...ve-310ml/40778

has a better life after unsealing the container. Has a re-attachable
screw cap on the nozzle. It is white and seems to work well. I think it
foams somewhat less than others.


Toolstation list several PU adhesives as well

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Adhe...VA/d180/sd3198



I was being lazy... :-)

Their 310ml cartridge is less expensive but still has a screw nozzle cap.

--
Rod

On 04/01/13 21:56, Jim K wrote:
On 4 Jan, 21:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

someone did a test on this glue, and various others. it came out worst.
Even epoxy was better strength and gap[ filling.

Guess what topped out?

White carpenters glue, the cheapest **** there is.

not this one then
http://woodgears.ca/joint_strength/glue.html

Jim K

No, it was not that one. I am surprised how well the hot glue comes out
there.


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rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
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On Friday 04 January 2013 21:33 The Natural Philosopher wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On 04/01/13 20:23, newshound wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?


Do you mean like Gorilla Glue? Readily available on line and from good
ironmongers. Comes in a variety of sizes.


someone did a test on this glue, and various others. it came out worst.
Even epoxy was better strength and gap[ filling.

Guess what topped out?

White carpenters glue, the cheapest **** there is.



Provided you have a tight fit. It doesn't bridge gaps at all.

So if you have a sloppy fit (a repair job say) it would be better to use PU
and get a reasonable bond over a large area compared to PVA over very
little.

Of course, epoxy is better but it's hugely expensive and PU may be perefctly
adequate for say bonding ply to a frame where the contact area is massive.
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On 05/01/2013 08:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On Friday 04 January 2013 21:33 The Natural Philosopher wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On 04/01/13 20:23, newshound wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?


Do you mean like Gorilla Glue? Readily available on line and from good
ironmongers. Comes in a variety of sizes.


someone did a test on this glue, and various others. it came out worst.
Even epoxy was better strength and gap[ filling.

Guess what topped out?

White carpenters glue, the cheapest **** there is.



Provided you have a tight fit. It doesn't bridge gaps at all.

So if you have a sloppy fit (a repair job say) it would be better to use PU
and get a reasonable bond over a large area compared to PVA over very
little.

Of course, epoxy is better but it's hugely expensive and PU may be perefctly
adequate for say bonding ply to a frame where the contact area is massive.

In the real world, we often have to glue wood that is at least slightly
damp. I strongly suspect that polyurethane comes out on top for that use
- though maybe Aerolite or similar is as good or better? (PVA seems much
happier on fairly dry wood. Takes forever to set if damp.)

--
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On 04/01/2013 20:57, polygonum wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?



http://www.screwfix.com/p/joiners-ma...ve-500ml/44485

But I have actually found this:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/evostik-po...ve-310ml/40778

has a better life after unsealing the container. Has a re-attachable
screw cap on the nozzle. It is white and seems to work well. I think it
foams somewhat less than others.

Is that for a sealant gun?

--
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On 04/01/2013 20:57, polygonum wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks to all. My interest in PU adhesive came from the 'stick on soles'
you used to be able to buy from Woolworths and the PU adhesive they supplied
for sticking them on. It was a clear thick liquid adhesive that really
stuck on, dried quickly and was waterproof. Absolutely brilliant stuff, came
in small tubes and was expensive. (Downside was the surface had to be dry on
application).

So imagine my disappointment when I bought a sealent tube of glue from
homebase that had that it was PU adhesive written on the label, I think it
was evostick or bostick.

But it was more like a white glue that dried to a white slightly *rubbery*
finish. Almost like a firm silicon sealent. It messed up a nice dark
coloured ceramic outdoor pot because the finish was white instead of drying
clear. It's O.K. for window frames, but not was I was looking for or
expecting.

Some of these glues just mentioned here, are calling themselves PU, but i'm
wondering now which ones might be more like the original PU glue that was
used for the rubber stick on soles and heels ?

On Friday, January 4, 2013 8:06:35 PM UTC, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?

Buy it from a shop with a high turnover, because some shops sell it so old that it's already going "crunchy" inside the bottle.

Then wrap the bottle with aluminium foil or tape, because polyethylene bottles are too moisture permeable to store PU glue in.

Then don't bother because PU is expensive, messy and crap.

On Saturday 05 January 2013 14:29 Andy Dingley wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Friday, January 4, 2013 8:06:35 PM UTC, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?

Buy it from a shop with a high turnover, because some shops sell it so old
that it's already going "crunchy" inside the bottle.

Then wrap the bottle with aluminium foil or tape, because polyethylene
bottles are too moisture permeable to store PU glue in.

Then don't bother because PU is expensive, messy and crap.

What would you use for gluing and screwing 18mm ply to a 3x3" frame that
needs stiffening (about 20 linear metres worth) - and the frame is all
slightly skewed (which is why we are plating it)?

Less than £40 budget for glue.

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On 05/01/2013 13:54, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:57, polygonum wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?



http://www.screwfix.com/p/joiners-ma...ve-500ml/44485

But I have actually found this:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/evostik-po...ve-310ml/40778

has a better life after unsealing the container. Has a re-attachable
screw cap on the nozzle. It is white and seems to work well. I think it
foams somewhat less than others.

Is that for a sealant gun?

Indeedy.

And for clarification, it is approximately white/clear - somewhere
between. Not "honey" like most PU glues.

--
Rod

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On 04/01/2013 20:57, polygonum wrote:
On 04/01/2013 20:06, Dave West wrote:
Would anyone know of a retail outlet in the London area to buy
over the
counter 'polyurethane wood glue', not in a sealent tube, but in a
pot or
container which would give it a longer shelf life ?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks to all. My interest in PU adhesive came from the 'stick on
soles' you used to be able to buy from Woolworths and the PU
adhesive they supplied for sticking them on. It was a clear thick
liquid adhesive that really stuck on, dried quickly and was
waterproof. Absolutely brilliant stuff, came in small tubes and was
expensive. (Downside was the surface had to be dry on application).

So imagine my disappointment when I bought a sealent tube of glue
from homebase that had that it was PU adhesive written on the label,
I think it was evostick or bostick.

But it was more like a white glue that dried to a white slightly
*rubbery* finish. Almost like a firm silicon sealent. It messed up a
nice dark coloured ceramic outdoor pot because the finish was white
instead of drying clear. It's O.K. for window frames, but not was I
was looking for or expecting.

Some of these glues just mentioned here, are calling themselves PU,
but i'm wondering now which ones might be more like the original PU
glue that was used for the rubber stick on soles and heels ?


First up, the precise formulations of most adhesives probably change
over the years. The fact that Homebase glue was described as PU
probably refers to the specific advantages common to all PU
adhesives which is the reason for people choosing them.

However there are probably loads of PU adhesives on the market
which while they all share the specific PU advantage, otherwise
all have different characteristics, viscosity, colour, setting
time etc.

As to colour, I've not used PU adhesives myself but unless there's
a lot of gap filling involved the usual procedure with most
adhesives is to remove all the surplus from any visible glueline
as soon as the components are clamped together. And then do it again
five or ten minutes later. Apparently IPA (isopropyl alcohol) is
one solvent of choice for cleaning up PU. Acetone would also
definitely
work but might be detrimental to the object being clamped. So that
whether the adhesive is clear or coloured shouldnt normally be an
issue where there's no gap filling involved.


michael adams

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