The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert

RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it
directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert

Can't think why. If it's fit for the EU it should be okay in the UK. Don't
know whether gas couplings might be different though.

Tim

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 03:27:13 -0700 (PDT), RobertL
wrote:

The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Do they use the same kind of gas in Italy? If not, is it still
significantly cheaper after replacing jets etc?

Nick

RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Don't tell me - Britannia and Ilve?

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

I don't think so as EU legislation means that anything legal to
install/use in one country should be the same in any country of the
EU.

--
Chris Green

On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:02:57 PM UTC+1, (unknown) wrote:
RobertL wrote: The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Don't tell me - Britannia and Ilve?

"Barazza". And I can tell you that 50% off the price of a Barazza hob is a LOT of money.

Robert

On Oct 8, 12:02*pm, wrote:
RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Don't tell me - Britannia and Ilve?

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? *Is there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

I don't think so as EU legislation means that anything legal to
install/use in one country should be the same in any country of the
EU.

Including electrical items designed for much lower mains voltage? It's
not as simple as saying it will be safe throughout Europe. Someone has
already highlighted a possible issue with the jets.

MBQ

On 08/10/2012 12:33, Man at B&Q wrote:

I don't think so as EU legislation means that anything legal to
install/use in one country should be the same in any country of the
EU.

Including electrical items designed for much lower mains voltage? It's
not as simple as saying it will be safe throughout Europe. Someone has
already highlighted a possible issue with the jets.

Would the Italian sell a UK model direct?

In article ,
Tim+ writes:
RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it
directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert

Can't think why. If it's fit for the EU it should be okay in the UK. Don't
know whether gas couplings might be different though.

Much (most?) of the EU uses BSP pipe fittings, even if they don't
call them that!

Don't know about Italy, but french stuff is all interchangable.
(Copper pipes are different sizes, but the BSP connections are the
same as here.)

--
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On 08/10/2012 12:33, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:02 pm, wrote:
RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Don't tell me - Britannia and Ilve?

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

I don't think so as EU legislation means that anything legal to
install/use in one country should be the same in any country of the
EU.

Including electrical items designed for much lower mains voltage? It's

Don't think there are any "much lower" voltages in use in Europe are there?

not as simple as saying it will be safe throughout Europe. Someone has
already highlighted a possible issue with the jets.

They probably buy their gas the same place we do ;-)

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John Rumm wrote:


They probably buy their gas the same place we do ;-)


gas-Я-us.ru ?

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"She got her looks from her father. He's a plastic surgeon."

Owain wrote:

On Oct 8, 1:55 pm, Tim Watts wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
They probably buy their gas the same place we do ;-)

gas-Я-us.ru ?

And we'll probably end up paying Russ Andrewski prices too.


And Putin might do a Ukraine to us at any moment...

Personally, all greens should have their fuel/water/electricity cut off
every day at random times for a month, in winter.

Then, and only then, should they be allowed to try to influence the UK
energy policy...

--
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"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."

On Monday, October 8, 2012 1:55:37 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
John Rumm wrote: They probably buy their gas the same place we do ;-) gas-Я-us.ru ? -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/ "She got her looks from her father. He's a plastic surgeon."

IIRC at the moment, Norway is our main supplier and for Italy it's Algeria.

Robert

Well unless they use different gass or different pressures or if its meant
for bottled gas with internal regualator then there will be issues, but
otherwise cannot imagine why it should be diffent.

Brian

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"RobertL" wrote in message
...
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it
directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the
italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert

RobertL wrote in
:

The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost
50%) if we buy it directly from Italy (where it is made)
instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of
view? Is there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK
that would be missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert


If it carrys the CE mark it may be fitted here.

No CE mark, no fit.

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Tim+ wrote:

Can't think why. If it's fit for the EU it should be okay in the UK. Don't
know whether gas couplings might be different though.

1/2" BSP in Italy same as the UK.


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_/ _/

Nick Odell wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 03:27:13 -0700 (PDT), RobertL
wrote:

The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Do they use the same kind of gas in Italy? If not, is it still
significantly cheaper after replacing jets etc?

Methane In cities and LPG in the country just like the UK. Most hobs sold
in both countries come with a full set of jets for both types of gas.



--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it
directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Really? I bought all of the Italian made jobs for my home in Italy in the
UK because they were disgustingly expensive in Italy. I bought a Candy hob
for our kitchen in the barn at Comet for £60. Same unit in Italy was EUR
400.

Zanussi gas hob and Ariston gas jobs for the main kitchens were around
£100-150 in the UK. Around EUR 600-800 in Italy.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

No idea but taking items from UK to Italy no one complained and there is
this EU rule about free movement of goods and services.



--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

On 08/10/2012 20:06, Steve Firth wrote:
Nick Odell wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 03:27:13 -0700 (PDT), RobertL
wrote:

The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Do they use the same kind of gas in Italy? If not, is it still
significantly cheaper after replacing jets etc?

Methane In cities and LPG in the country just like the UK. Most hobs sold
in both countries come with a full set of jets for both types of gas.

Some years ago there was a basic gas cooker on offer at Comet or Currys,
I can't remember which. My parents wanted to buy one to take over to
France and the shop point blank refused to supply the LPG jets (supplied
with it by the manufacturer), insisting that they could only be supplied
to a Corgi registered fitter! Wrong on so many counts, but they couldn't
be budged.

SteveW

SteveW wrote:
On 08/10/2012 20:06, Steve Firth wrote:
Nick Odell wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 03:27:13 -0700 (PDT), RobertL
wrote:

The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from
the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Do they use the same kind of gas in Italy? If not, is it still
significantly cheaper after replacing jets etc?

Methane In cities and LPG in the country just like the UK. Most hobs sold
in both countries come with a full set of jets for both types of gas.

Some years ago there was a basic gas cooker on offer at Comet or Currys,
I can't remember which. My parents wanted to buy one to take over to
France and the shop point blank refused to supply the LPG jets (supplied
with it by the manufacturer), insisting that they could only be supplied
to a Corgi registered fitter! Wrong on so many counts, but they couldn't be budged.

I've also had the same cobblers from Currys. Going to a different shop in
the same chain got me the hob + jets. I wouldn't have been shopping there
at all, but their prices were the lowest at the time.



--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert

Hi Robert

Did you ever get a definitive answer on this? I really want to get a Barazza direct from Italy too but I can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone!

Louise

In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK
retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is
there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be
missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert

Hi Robert

Did you ever get a definitive answer on this? I really want to get a
Barazza direct from Italy too but I can't seem to get a straight answer
from anyone!

Given Italy is in the EU, they should be able to supply a UK spec one - if
they make it. Of course that's not to say they won't put obstacles in your
way so as not to offend their UK agents. As once happened with cars.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

wrote:
On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would that be Ilve/Brittannia by any chance?


Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from
the italian model?

As far as I understand it if it's from the EU you can use it in the UK.

--
Chris Green
·

On 06/05/2015 19:12, wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would that be Ilve/Brittannia by any chance?


Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from
the italian model?

As far as I understand it if it's from the EU you can use it in the UK.

Each country has its rules on who can do what and with a gas appliance.

There is nothing stopping you buying one, but getting a Gas Safe monkey
to fit one might be tricky if the instructions aren't in English and the
references on the hob itself don't mention any UK recognised attributes.

On Wednesday, 6 May 2015 15:58:33 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK
retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is
there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be
missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert

Hi Robert

Did you ever get a definitive answer on this? I really want to get a
Barazza direct from Italy too but I can't seem to get a straight answer
from anyone!

Given Italy is in the EU, they should be able to supply a UK spec one - if
they make it. Of course that's not to say they won't put obstacles in your
way so as not to offend their UK agents. As once happened with cars.

--
*Laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wednesday, 6 May 2015 15:58:33 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK
retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is
there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be
missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert

Hi Robert

Did you ever get a definitive answer on this? I really want to get a
Barazza direct from Italy too but I can't seem to get a straight answer
from anyone!

Given Italy is in the EU, they should be able to supply a UK spec one - if
they make it. Of course that's not to say they won't put obstacles in your
way so as not to offend their UK agents. As once happened with cars.

--
*Laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave, it's from distributor in Italy so not sure they could do that but thanks for your help.

On Wednesday, 6 May 2015 16:54:54 UTC+1, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 06 May 2015 15:52:05 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we
buy it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK
retailer.

Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is
there perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be
missing from the italian model?

many thanks for any comments

Robert

Hi Robert

Did you ever get a definitive answer on this? I really want to get a
Barazza direct from Italy too but I can't seem to get a straight answer
from anyone!

Given Italy is in the EU, they should be able to supply a UK spec one -
if they make it. Of course that's not to say they won't put obstacles in
your way so as not to offend their UK agents. As once happened with
cars.

Italy tends towards bottled gas a lot more than the UK ...

Really? So confusing, I spoke to a distributor in Italy who said they ship to UK all the time. Don't really know who to believe!

On Wednesday, 6 May 2015 19:16:06 UTC+1, wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would that be Ilve/Brittannia by any chance?


Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from
the italian model?

As far as I understand it if it's from the EU you can use it in the UK.

--
Chris Green
·

That was my understanding but it's a bit of a gamble!

On Wednesday, 6 May 2015 20:22:16 UTC+1, Fredxxx wrote:
On 06/05/2015 19:12, wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would that be Ilve/Brittannia by any chance?


Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from
the italian model?

As far as I understand it if it's from the EU you can use it in the UK.

Each country has its rules on who can do what and with a gas appliance.

There is nothing stopping you buying one, but getting a Gas Safe monkey
to fit one might be tricky if the instructions aren't in English and the
references on the hob itself don't mention any UK recognised attributes.

Fred, there are English Instructions on the Barazza website so that must be a good start!

On Wed, 6 May 2015 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


Really? So confusing, I spoke to a distributor in Italy who said they ship to UK all the time. Don't really know who to believe!

Bottled gas is usually Propane, UK natural gas is mainly Methane. They
have differing energy content and require different burners (or burner
nozzles) to be fitted. Most manufacturers can supply bits for either
gas supply as long as you specify it when ordering. Simply saying "UK
use" is inadequate as rural locations in the UK with no natural gas
supply often use Propane.

On Wednesday, 6 May 2015 22:30:11 UTC+1, Peter Parry wrote:
On Wed, 6 May 2015 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


Really? So confusing, I spoke to a distributor in Italy who said they ship to UK all the time. Don't really know who to believe!

Bottled gas is usually Propane, UK natural gas is mainly Methane. They
have differing energy content and require different burners (or burner
nozzles) to be fitted. Most manufacturers can supply bits for either
gas supply as long as you specify it when ordering. Simply saying "UK
use" is inadequate as rural locations in the UK with no natural gas
supply often use Propane.

Thanks Peter, it's a complete minefield! I have emailed the company direct and a distributor so I'll see what they come back with.

In article ,
wrote:
Given Italy is in the EU, they should be able to supply a UK spec
one - if they make it. Of course that's not to say they won't put
obstacles in your way so as not to offend their UK agents. As once
happened with cars.

Italy tends towards bottled gas a lot more than the UK ...

Really? So confusing, I spoke to a distributor in Italy who said they
ship to UK all the time. Don't really know who to believe!

The same hob could well have different versions for natural and bottled
gas. Even for town gas if it still exists anywhere.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Peter Parry wrote:
On Wed, 6 May 2015 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


Really? So confusing, I spoke to a distributor in Italy who said they
ship to UK all the time. Don't really know who to believe!

Bottled gas is usually Propane, UK natural gas is mainly Methane. They
have differing energy content and require different burners (or burner
nozzles) to be fitted. Most manufacturers can supply bits for either
gas supply as long as you specify it when ordering. Simply saying "UK
use" is inadequate as rural locations in the UK with no natural gas
supply often use Propane.

Our Ilve hob (Britannia in the UK) came with the conversion jets, just
a matter of unscrewing the natural gas ones and screwing in the
bottled gas ones for us.

--
Chris Green
·

On 06/05/2015 21:30, wrote:
On Wednesday, 6 May 2015 20:22:16 UTC+1, Fredxxx wrote:
On 06/05/2015 19:12, wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, 8 October 2012 11:27:13 UTC+1, RobertL wrote:
The hob we want to buy is significantly cheaper (almost 50%) if we buy
it directly from Italy (where it is made) instead of from the UK retailer.

Would that be Ilve/Brittannia by any chance?


Would there be any problems from the "gas safe" point of view? Is there
perhaps some safety mark required in the UK that would be missing from
the italian model?

As far as I understand it if it's from the EU you can use it in the UK.

Each country has its rules on who can do what and with a gas appliance.

There is nothing stopping you buying one, but getting a Gas Safe monkey
to fit one might be tricky if the instructions aren't in English and the
references on the hob itself don't mention any UK recognised attributes.

Fred, there are English Instructions on the Barazza website so that must be a good start!

I would check with you fitter first that that would be acceptable. A
couple of years ago, my gas safe man (who's a reasonable bloke) refused
to fit a fire for me because the instructions were missing from the box,
despite the fact that I located the relevant pdf online.
It's about liability and insurance.

In article ,
GMM wrote:
I would check with you fitter first that that would be acceptable. A
couple of years ago, my gas safe man (who's a reasonable bloke) refused
to fit a fire for me because the instructions were missing from the box,
despite the fact that I located the relevant pdf online.
It's about liability and insurance.

This is a DIY group. Fit it yourself, if competent. No more difficult than
water.

--
*Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Thursday, 7 May 2015 11:20:51 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
GMM wrote:
I would check with you fitter first that that would be acceptable. A
couple of years ago, my gas safe man (who's a reasonable bloke) refused
to fit a fire for me because the instructions were missing from the box,
despite the fact that I located the relevant pdf online.
It's about liability and insurance.

This is a DIY group. Fit it yourself, if competent. No more difficult than
water.


I question that "no more difficult than water". My usual approach with
water is "fit, wait, find leaks, fix". That works fine with water because
leaking a couple of litres of water over a 12 hour period is pretty obvious,
and fairly harmless (provided fixed promptly). A similar sized hole with
gas is a) not nearly so obvious; b) significantly less harmless.

The maximum extent to which I am prepared to DIY gas is "plug bayonet
fitting into cooker".

"Martin Bonner" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 7 May 2015 11:20:51 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
GMM wrote:
I would check with you fitter first that that would be acceptable. A
couple of years ago, my gas safe man (who's a reasonable bloke) refused
to fit a fire for me because the instructions were missing from the
box,
despite the fact that I located the relevant pdf online.
It's about liability and insurance.

This is a DIY group. Fit it yourself, if competent. No more difficult
than
water.


I question that "no more difficult than water". My usual approach with
water is "fit, wait, find leaks, fix". That works fine with water because
leaking a couple of litres of water over a 12 hour period is pretty
obvious,
and fairly harmless (provided fixed promptly). A similar sized hole with
gas is a) not nearly so obvious; b) significantly less harmless.

The maximum extent to which I am prepared to DIY gas is "plug bayonet
fitting into cooker".


....and some would say you shouldn't even do THAT yourself ........

On 07/05/2015 12:46, Martin Bonner wrote:
On Thursday, 7 May 2015 11:20:51 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
GMM wrote:
I would check with you fitter first that that would be acceptable. A
couple of years ago, my gas safe man (who's a reasonable bloke) refused
to fit a fire for me because the instructions were missing from the box,
despite the fact that I located the relevant pdf online.
It's about liability and insurance.

This is a DIY group. Fit it yourself, if competent. No more difficult than
water.


I question that "no more difficult than water". My usual approach with
water is "fit, wait, find leaks, fix". That works fine with water because
leaking a couple of litres of water over a 12 hour period is pretty obvious,
and fairly harmless (provided fixed promptly). A similar sized hole with
gas is a) not nearly so obvious; b) significantly less harmless.

The maximum extent to which I am prepared to DIY gas is "plug bayonet
fitting into cooker".

Its easy to detect gas leaks with a simple manometer.

If any doubts get a Landlord or similar gas safety certificate.

"Fredxxx" wrote in message
...
On 07/05/2015 12:46, Martin Bonner wrote:
On Thursday, 7 May 2015 11:20:51 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
GMM wrote:
I would check with you fitter first that that would be acceptable. A
couple of years ago, my gas safe man (who's a reasonable bloke) refused
to fit a fire for me because the instructions were missing from the
box,
despite the fact that I located the relevant pdf online.
It's about liability and insurance.

This is a DIY group. Fit it yourself, if competent. No more difficult
than
water.


I question that "no more difficult than water". My usual approach with
water is "fit, wait, find leaks, fix". That works fine with water
because
leaking a couple of litres of water over a 12 hour period is pretty
obvious,
and fairly harmless (provided fixed promptly). A similar sized hole with
gas is a) not nearly so obvious; b) significantly less harmless.

The maximum extent to which I am prepared to DIY gas is "plug bayonet
fitting into cooker".

Its easy to detect gas leaks with a simple manometer.

If any doubts get a Landlord or similar gas safety certificate.

you can do that at the connector at the meter can't you ? ......

On 07/05/2015 13:03, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Fredxxx" wrote in message
...
On 07/05/2015 12:46, Martin Bonner wrote:
On Thursday, 7 May 2015 11:20:51 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
GMM wrote:
I would check with you fitter first that that would be acceptable. A
couple of years ago, my gas safe man (who's a reasonable bloke) refused
to fit a fire for me because the instructions were missing from the
box,
despite the fact that I located the relevant pdf online.
It's about liability and insurance.

This is a DIY group. Fit it yourself, if competent. No more difficult
than
water.


I question that "no more difficult than water". My usual approach with
water is "fit, wait, find leaks, fix". That works fine with water
because
leaking a couple of litres of water over a 12 hour period is pretty
obvious,
and fairly harmless (provided fixed promptly). A similar sized hole with
gas is a) not nearly so obvious; b) significantly less harmless.

The maximum extent to which I am prepared to DIY gas is "plug bayonet
fitting into cooker".

Its easy to detect gas leaks with a simple manometer.

If any doubts get a Landlord or similar gas safety certificate.

you can do that at the connector at the meter can't you ? ......


Correct. I forget the pressure drop criterion, isn't it something like
less than 10 mm in five minutes (which is about 1 mb) for a typical
domestic installation?

"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 07/05/2015 13:03, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Fredxxx" wrote in message
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On 07/05/2015 12:46, Martin Bonner wrote:
On Thursday, 7 May 2015 11:20:51 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
GMM wrote:
I would check with you fitter first that that would be acceptable. A
couple of years ago, my gas safe man (who's a reasonable bloke)
refused
to fit a fire for me because the instructions were missing from the
box,
despite the fact that I located the relevant pdf online.
It's about liability and insurance.

This is a DIY group. Fit it yourself, if competent. No more difficult
than
water.


I question that "no more difficult than water". My usual approach with
water is "fit, wait, find leaks, fix". That works fine with water
because
leaking a couple of litres of water over a 12 hour period is pretty
obvious,
and fairly harmless (provided fixed promptly). A similar sized hole
with
gas is a) not nearly so obvious; b) significantly less harmless.

The maximum extent to which I am prepared to DIY gas is "plug bayonet
fitting into cooker".

Its easy to detect gas leaks with a simple manometer.

If any doubts get a Landlord or similar gas safety certificate.

you can do that at the connector at the meter can't you ? ......


Correct. I forget the pressure drop criterion, isn't it something like
less than 10 mm in five minutes (which is about 1 mb) for a typical
domestic installation?

Em...I am admitting nothing ....