On tonight's episode they sent in some youngsters
to compare with the 70-year-olds from yesterday.
The plumber Ashley was outstanding from the first
second he walked onto the job. The rest of the
20-year-olds were such a appalling example of
"today's yoof" they could be poster-childs for
any Daily Wail young benfer scrounger scum
campaign.

JGH

Is this series propaganda by any chance. The bit I saw smacked of set up.

Brian

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...
On tonight's episode they sent in some youngsters
to compare with the 70-year-olds from yesterday.
The plumber Ashley was outstanding from the first
second he walked onto the job. The rest of the
20-year-olds were such a appalling example of
"today's yoof" they could be poster-childs for
any Daily Wail young benfer scrounger scum
campaign.

JGH

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:26:25 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Is this series propaganda by any chance. The bit I saw smacked of set up.

Brian

If it appears on BBC, then yes, I agree. These two programmes have
attempted to show how we can all work into our 70s, as that is what
the government keeps telling us is going to be necessary. But the
truth is that even with healthy pensioners, they just don't have the
stamina and cannot be expected to be as flexible as 20-year-olds.

The results of the programmes are going to throw the government's
plans haywire. The pensioners shown were probably above average. There
are going to be many thousands who canot stand for longer periods, do
not have the dexterity to manipulate small items, cannot concentrate
too well and so on, exhibiting all the signs of natural aging in fact.
Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school? They
could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

No, what is needed is a fundamental re-think of the whole concept of
capitalism, because it is now coming to the end of its useful life as
fewer and fewer jobs are available due to mechanisation and robot
processes.

As for the young people in the second programme, what a bunch of
dropouts, largely!

MM

In article ,
MM wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:26:25 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Is this series propaganda by any chance. The bit I saw smacked of set up.

Brian

If it appears on BBC, then yes, I agree. These two programmes have
attempted to show how we can all work into our 70s, as that is what
the government keeps telling us is going to be necessary. But the
truth is that even with healthy pensioners, they just don't have the
stamina and cannot be expected to be as flexible as 20-year-olds.

The results of the programmes are going to throw the government's
plans haywire. The pensioners shown were probably above average. There
are going to be many thousands who canot stand for longer periods, do
not have the dexterity to manipulate small items, cannot concentrate
too well and so on, exhibiting all the signs of natural aging in fact.
Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school? They
could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

but they do seem to drive tour busses. ;-(

--
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

These two programmes have attempted to show how we can all work into
our 70s, as that is what the government keeps telling us is going to be
necessary.

Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

http://pensions-service.direct.gov.u...calculator/hom
e.asp

Currently anyone younger than 34 won't get their State Pension until they
are 68 but the rules they are a changing. Particularly for those between
34 and 50 odd.

But the truth is that even with healthy pensioners, they just don't
have the stamina and cannot be expected to be as flexible as
20-year-olds.

Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school? They
could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

How did we jump from 70 (which is 2 years on from the current State
Pension age) to 75?

My late father was still very fit and active into his late 70's. The FiL
has slowed down in the last few years, he is also in his late 70's. I'm
not saying that people should have to work to 75 but that isn't,
currently, what HMG are saying. They are saying 68.

Strokes and heart attacks aren't just "old persons" illness's.

No, what is needed is a fundamental re-think of the whole concept of
capitalism, because it is now coming to the end of its useful life as
fewer and fewer jobs are available due to mechanisation and robot
processes.

There does need to be a massive kick up the backside of the extremes of
capitalism. The banks and financial institutions have become too
separated from reality.

The government is certainly crapping itself about the potential size of
the Pensions bill in the coming years, that's the primary mover for
pushing up the State Pension age and trying to push it's value down.
Anyone with any sense should be making their own private Pension
provision, the earlier you start the less strain it is to build up a
decent pot, even if that does seem a contradiction with the previous
para.

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Dave.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:52 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

These two programmes have attempted to show how we can all work into
our 70s, as that is what the government keeps telling us is going to be
necessary.

Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(
http://pensions-service.direct.gov.u...calculator/hom
e.asp

Currently anyone younger than 34 won't get their State Pension until they
are 68 but the rules they are a changing. Particularly for those between
34 and 50 odd.

But the truth is that even with healthy pensioners, they just don't
have the stamina and cannot be expected to be as flexible as
20-year-olds.

Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school? They
could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

How did we jump from 70 (which is 2 years on from the current State
Pension age) to 75?

My late father was still very fit and active into his late 70's. The FiL
has slowed down in the last few years, he is also in his late 70's. I'm
not saying that people should have to work to 75 but that isn't,
currently, what HMG are saying. They are saying 68.

Strokes and heart attacks aren't just "old persons" illness's.

No, what is needed is a fundamental re-think of the whole concept of
capitalism, because it is now coming to the end of its useful life as
fewer and fewer jobs are available due to mechanisation and robot
processes.

There does need to be a massive kick up the backside of the extremes of
capitalism. The banks and financial institutions have become too
separated from reality.

The government is certainly crapping itself about the potential size of
the Pensions bill in the coming years, that's the primary mover for
pushing up the State Pension age and trying to push it's value down.
Anyone with any sense should be making their own private Pension
provision, the earlier you start the less strain it is to build up a
decent pot, even if that does seem a contradiction with the previous
para.

The pension age will doubtless drift upwards. I will get state pension at
65 and after various increases in age my wife will now get hers a week
before her 65th birthday. Fortunately we can get by on savings and private
pensions since neither of us is now working.
There is a big difference between people continuing to work through rather
than having 8 years retired and then going back as happened in the TV
programme. Personally many years of stress did my head in and I gave up
before I reached 60. Similarly a lot of people would be incapable of
demanding work by late 60s I suspect.
Of course if the government did not have its dogma over immigration we
would only need a third of anticipated austerity measures and the
retirement date would not have to go up so quickly.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-7939667.html

Strokes and heart attacks aren't just "old persons" illness's.

Very true. My wife runs some services for the Stroke Association, and
her youngest client is 29.

In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

Balls, sorry to hear that Dave. I hope you are making plans to burn all
your money doing as many fun things as you can before it takes the best
of you?
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

fred wrote:
In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

Balls, sorry to hear that Dave. I hope you are making plans to burn all
your money doing as many fun things as you can before it takes the best
of you?

Take lots of E - apparently its the dogs ******** for that.


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

On 13/07/2012 13:22, fred wrote:
In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

Balls, sorry to hear that Dave. I hope you are making plans to burn all
your money doing as many fun things as you can before it takes the best
of you?

The good news is that the surgical procedure which puts electrodes in
the brain stimulated by a battery can work extremely well: an
ex-colleague of mine has just had the op and has been transformed from a
drug-induced zombie.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

These two programmes have attempted to show how we can all work into
our 70s, as that is what the government keeps telling us is going
to be necessary.

Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that
far, just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

****ing hell.

--
Adam

In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

Bloody hell, Dave. Dunno what to say.

In 'our' job, some parts of it I can still do aged 67. But not holding a
pole over my head all day. A Fisher - just about. Or a heavy rig. Clipping
a mic on someone then recording that etc is ok - provided it's not too
cold.

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

These two programmes have attempted to show how we can all work into
our 70s, as that is what the government keeps telling us is going to be
necessary.

Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

Things have changed. There are loads of treatments out there and at your age
you will be fine.
Take care.

On Jul 13, 9:32*am, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:
These two programmes have attempted to show how we can all work into
our 70s, as that is what the government keeps telling us is going to be
necessary.

Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. *B-(


I'm truely sorry to hear that Dave.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:52 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

These two programmes have attempted to show how we can all work into
our 70s, as that is what the government keeps telling us is going to be
necessary.

Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

I'm so sorry to hear that Dave.

My dad had that for about 20 years.

--
Frank Erskine

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:55:15 +0100, Frank Erskine wrote:

I'm 52 and won't get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I
make it that far, just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

I'm so sorry to hear that Dave.

My dad had that for about 20 years.

Well that takes me to 72. B-) Not quite what I'd have liked, my Dad
made 96 but was very frail for the last few years.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:52 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

I'm 52

Christ, you're six years younger than me. Forgive me for saying so, I
had assumed you were an old git.

That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

Bugger.
Hey, a new career awaits you as Flashman Liq DJ.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:47:12 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:52 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

I'm 52

Christ, you're six years younger than me. Forgive me for saying so, I
had assumed you were an old git.

That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

Bugger.
Hey, a new career awaits you as Flashman Liq DJ.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:47:12 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

I'm 52

Christ, you're six years younger than me. Forgive me for saying so, I
had assumed you were an old git.

Naw, just do a good impression of a Grumpy Old Man.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

These two programmes have attempted to show how we can all work into
our 70s, as that is what the government keeps telling us is going to
be necessary.

Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that
far, just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(


Sorry to hear that Dave, but take some hope from the fact that my father
suffered from Parkinson's,and he survived until the grand old age of 82
before a stroke and Pneumoconiosis saw him off - rather than the
Parkinson's.

Cash

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:56:31 +0100, Cash wrote:

Sorry to hear that Dave, but take some hope from the fact that my
father suffered from Parkinson's,and he survived until the grand old
age of 82 before a stroke and Pneumoconiosis saw him off - rather than
the Parkinson's.

Thanks, that's the sort of thing I like to hear. B-) Parkinson's isn't
a killer as such but in the later stages it makes you more vulnerable to
other things like an infection or fall and it's that that gets you.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:52 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:


Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

This group is part of a health site of which I am a member (relating to
another disease). Any use?

http://parkinsonsmovement.healthunlocked.com

--
Rod

On Jul 14, 5:10*pm, polygonum wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:52 +0100, Dave Liquorice

wrote:

Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. *B-(

This group is part of a health site of which I am a member (relating to
another disease). Any use?

http://parkinsonsmovement.healthunlocked.com

Some new work going on with diet and food extract. It doesn't mention
parkinson's but why not give the idea a try:

http://my.opera.com/Weatherlawyer/bl...omment92800852

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:54:08 +0100, MM wrote:

These two programmes have attempted to show how we can all work into
our 70s, as that is what the government keeps telling us is going to be
necessary.

Aye, anyone younger than around their early 50's ought to look at what
the current projected state pensiojn age is for them. I'm 52 and won't
get the State Pension until I'm 66. That's assuming I make it that far,
just been diagnosed with Parkinson's. B-(

Parkinsons doesn't usually shorten life does it?
Its also treatable these days.

On 13/07/2012 08:54, MM wrote:
Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school? They
could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

Any bus or coach driver over 65 has a compulsory medical every year, and
the slightest doubt about their fitness to drive removes their licence.
We have a few drivers over 70 working for us, and they are as good at
their job, within their limits, as the younger ones.

They normally potter around on school contracts and local work for a few
hours a day, leaving us younger ones to get on with the touring and
other jobs that need more stamina.

They also seem to have less trouble with the kids' behaviour than the
young drivers, but that's another thread.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

MM wrote
Brian Gaff wrote

Is this series propaganda by any chance.
The bit I saw smacked of set up.

If it appears on BBC, then yes, I agree. These two programmes have
attempted to show how we can all work into our 70s, as that is what
the government keeps telling us is going to be necessary. But the
truth is that even with healthy pensioners, they just don't have the
stamina and cannot be expected to be as flexible as 20-year-olds.

But may well be a hell of a lot more employable than plenty of those.

The results of the programmes are going to throw the government's
plans haywire.

Nope.

The pensioners shown were probably above average.
There are going to be many thousands who canot
stand for longer periods,

So you use them for work that doesn't require them to do that.

do not have the dexterity to manipulate small items,

So you use them for work that doesn't require them to do that.

cannot concentrate too well

Likely they can do a lot better at that than the average stupid kid.

and so on, exhibiting all the signs of natural aging in fact.

Who cares if they don't look as good as the average bimbo ?

Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school?
They could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

So can the 55 year olds too.

No, what is needed is a fundamental re-think
of the whole concept of capitalism,

Nope, every time we've tried that, we haven't been
able to do any better.

because it is now coming to the end of its useful life

Mindlessly silly, comrade. Its actually what you prefer that has instead.

as fewer and fewer jobs are available due
to mechanisation and robot processes.

The US still managed an unemployment rate of just 4.x% with
an immense legal and illegal immigration rate, and the participation
rate at an all time historic high, just before the clowns were allowed
to completely implode much of the world's financial system, again.

Nice theory, pity about the real world.

As for the young people in the second programme,
what a bunch of dropouts, largely!

Plenty who try to employ them find that.

In article ,
MM wrote:
Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school? They
could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.


Well, yes. But these proposals are of course from politicians. And it
would make no difference to anything if they had a heart attack or stroke
on the job. Apart from the noise level in the H of C, possibly.

--
*Marathon runners with bad footwear suffer the agony of defeat*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Jul 13, 8:54*am, MM wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:26:25 +0100, "Brian Gaff"

wrote:
Is this series propaganda by any chance. The bit I saw smacked of set up..

Brian

If it appears on BBC, then yes, I agree. These two programmes have
attempted to show how we can all work into our 70s, as that is what
the government keeps telling us is going to be necessary. But the
truth is that even with healthy pensioners, they just don't have the
stamina and cannot be expected to be as flexible as 20-year-olds.

The results of the programmes are going to throw the government's
plans haywire. The pensioners shown were probably above average. There
are going to be many thousands who canot stand for longer periods, do
not have the dexterity to manipulate small items, cannot concentrate
too well and so on, exhibiting all the signs of natural aging in fact.
Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school? They
could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

No, what is needed is a fundamental re-think of the whole concept of
capitalism, because it is now coming to the end of its useful life as
fewer and fewer jobs are available due to mechanisation and robot
processes.

As for the young people in the second programme, what a bunch of
dropouts, largely!

MM

They don't say what job exactly they expect you to be doing.

I suspect it'll be pensioners working for free in Poundland on the
tills or stacking shelves via the workfare scheme.

Probably will be nothing at all for younger unemployed who will have
to scrounge of mum and dad (if they can) or be left to rot dossing on
the streets.

Philip

On Jul 13, 8:54*am, MM wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:26:25 +0100, "Brian Gaff"

wrote:
Is this series propaganda by any chance. The bit I saw smacked of set up..

Brian

If it appears on BBC, then yes, I agree. These two programmes have
attempted to show how we can all work into our 70s, as that is what
the government keeps telling us is going to be necessary. But the
truth is that even with healthy pensioners, they just don't have the
stamina and cannot be expected to be as flexible as 20-year-olds.

The results of the programmes are going to throw the government's
plans haywire. The pensioners shown were probably above average. There
are going to be many thousands who canot stand for longer periods, do
not have the dexterity to manipulate small items, cannot concentrate
too well and so on, exhibiting all the signs of natural aging in fact.
Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school? They
could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

No, what is needed is a fundamental re-think of the whole concept of
capitalism, because it is now coming to the end of its useful life as
fewer and fewer jobs are available due to mechanisation and robot
processes.

As for the young people in the second programme, what a bunch of
dropouts, largely!

MM

I think people should wind down slowly from work. A lot depends on
their job. It's one thing being sat behind a desk, quite another to be
running about on rooftops.
Eyesight can be an issue as well.
Probably do well in a supervisory position with their years of
experience.

"MM" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:26:25 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Is this series propaganda by any chance. The bit I saw smacked of set up.

Brian

If it appears on BBC, then yes, I agree. These two programmes have
attempted to show how we can all work into our 70s, as that is what
the government keeps telling us is going to be necessary. But the
truth is that even with healthy pensioners, they just don't have the
stamina and cannot be expected to be as flexible as 20-year-olds.

The results of the programmes are going to throw the government's
plans haywire. The pensioners shown were probably above average. There
are going to be many thousands who canot stand for longer periods, do
not have the dexterity to manipulate small items, cannot concentrate
too well and so on, exhibiting all the signs of natural aging in fact.
Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your kids to school? They
could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

They whole thing was wrong..
if people are to work beyond 67-73 then they will already be doing the jobs
and have the required skills and stamina.
Taking 73 year olds and putting them back to work after 7 years of doing
nowt is not the same.


No, what is needed is a fundamental re-think of the whole concept of
capitalism, because it is now coming to the end of its useful life as
fewer and fewer jobs are available due to mechanisation and robot
processes.

As for the young people in the second programme, what a bunch of
dropouts, largely!

They probably selected them from a job centre, there's a lot of them there.

dennis@home wrote:
"MM" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:26:25 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Is this series propaganda by any chance. The bit I saw smacked of
set up. Brian

If it appears on BBC, then yes, I agree. These two programmes have
attempted to show how we can all work into our 70s, as that is what
the government keeps telling us is going to be necessary. But the
truth is that even with healthy pensioners, they just don't have the
stamina and cannot be expected to be as flexible as 20-year-olds.

The results of the programmes are going to throw the government's
plans haywire. The pensioners shown were probably above average.
There are going to be many thousands who canot stand for longer
periods, do not have the dexterity to manipulate small items,
cannot concentrate too well and so on, exhibiting all the signs of
natural aging in fact. Imagine 75-year-old bus drivers driving your
kids to school? They could have a heart attack or stroke any minute.

They whole thing was wrong..
if people are to work beyond 67-73 then they will already be doing
the jobs and have the required skills and stamina.
Taking 73 year olds and putting them back to work after 7 years of
doing nowt is not the same.


No, what is needed is a fundamental re-think of the whole concept of
capitalism, because it is now coming to the end of its useful life
as fewer and fewer jobs are available due to mechanisation and robot
processes.

As for the young people in the second programme, what a bunch of
dropouts, largely!

They probably selected them from a job centre, there's a lot of them
there.

You are only 56 and out of work. That says a lot about you.
--
Adam

On Jul 14, 10:43*pm, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:

You are only 56 and out of work. That says a lot about you.

You punch young people in the testicles.
That says you shouldn't be allowed near youngsters.
And aught to be registered with the local plod.

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
They whole thing was wrong.. if people are to work beyond 67-73 then
they will already be doing the jobs and have the required skills and
stamina.

Have you never been around people as they get to retirement age?

I have. Some are capable of carrying on for longer - some not. And some
should have retired earlier. Just because people are living longer doesn't
mean they are staying fit and healthy for longer too.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
They whole thing was wrong.. if people are to work beyond 67-73 then
they will already be doing the jobs and have the required skills and
stamina.

Have you never been around people as they get to retirement age?

I have. Some are capable of carrying on for longer - some not. And some
should have retired earlier. Just because people are living longer doesn't
mean they are staying fit and healthy for longer too.

In general they are, but as you get older there are more people with more
problems.
What the proportion will be by 2044 when the retirement age goes to 68 is
anyone's guess.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
dennis@home wrote

They whole thing was wrong.. if people are to work
beyond 67-73 then they will already be doing the
jobs and have the required skills and stamina.

Not necessarily on that last, particularly with work that
involves manual labor.

Have you never been around people as they get to retirement age?

Yes.

I have. Some are capable of carrying on for longer - some not.

Yes, some do retire early for medical reasons.

And some should have retired earlier.

And some never were very employable.

Just because people are living longer doesn't mean
they are staying fit and healthy for longer too.

They are in fact doing just that.

Yes, there are still some that don’t last until retirement,
but there are less of those than there used to be, if only
because far fewer do heavy manual labor for the whole
of their working lives anymore.

jgharston wrote:
On tonight's episode they sent in some youngsters
to compare with the 70-year-olds from yesterday.
The plumber Ashley was outstanding from the first
second he walked onto the job. The rest of the
20-year-olds were such a appalling example of
"today's yoof" they could be poster-childs for
any Daily Wail young benfer scrounger scum
campaign.

JGH

I have watched it.

There is no way I can do what I do now when I am 70 at the same speed.

Could I still do it? Why not?

BTW we have a new apprentice. There is something seriously wrong with this
one. He is interested in what he does, he is a quick learner and is good at
his job. And for some reason I liked him the moment I met him (just the way
he spoke to me when we met did the trick).

He cannot afford to insure a car so he takes the train to Doncaster and then
bikes it from the train station to the unit. He is an absolute pleasure to
talk to and is just superb in every aspect of his work. In fact he is
causing problems because he is fitting the gear faster than we can get it
delivered! And everything he has installed is perfect.

Much better than the tosser that was fired yesterday (that was the one I
punched in the ******** a couple of months ago).


--
Adam

There is no way I can do what I do now when I am 70 at the same speed.

Could I still do it? Why not?

It won't be a matter of whether you want to work at 70. It will be a
matter of necessity (for most people). However you slice the cake, you
have retired people and working people, and all pensions (whether funded
or not) involve a transfer of income from workers to retired. If that
imposte becomes too great, the workers will simply revolt and refuse to
pay it. Apart from an annual cull, the only way to keep down the
proportion of retired people in the population is to raise the
retirement age.

GB wrote

There is no way I can do what I do now when I am 70 at the same speed.

Could I still do it? Why not?

It won't be a matter of whether you want to work at 70.
It will be a matter of necessity (for most people).

I don't buy that.

However you slice the cake, you have retired people and
working people, and all pensions (whether funded or not)
involve a transfer of income from workers to retired.

That doesn't mean that most people will be working at 70.

If that imposte becomes too great, the workers
will simply revolt and refuse to pay it.

The tax system doesn't work like that.

Apart from an annual cull, the only way to keep down the proportion
of retired people in the population is to raise the retirement age.

That's not right either. The other obvious way is to
accept immigrants that have more kids than the indigenous
population does. And that's precisely what the EU does in fact.

Even the Japanese, who have much lower levels of immigration
than anyone else, don't get the effect you claim is inevitable,
even when they have had a depression for 20 years now.

ARWadsworth wrote:
There is no way I can do what I do now when I am 70 at the same speed.

My knees have already crapped out and I'm in my mid-40s. Light
switches I can do. Sockets and underfloor wiring leaves me
in agony.

BTW we have a new apprentice. There is something seriously wrong with this
one. He is interested in what he does, he is a quick learner and is good at
his job.

They do exist! Seems the same as the one in six rate on the TV.

JGH

On 13/07/2012 12:44, jgharston wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote:
There is no way I can do what I do now when I am 70 at the same speed.

My knees have already crapped out and I'm in my mid-40s. Light
switches I can do. Sockets and underfloor wiring leaves me
in agony.



I've just done some insulation and boarding in my son's loft. A cross
between carpentry and yoga with all that stretching and crouching etc. I
reckon 3 hours maximum at my age (69) if I want to be able to move next day.