On 29/12/2011 13:10, wrote:
Just heard on 't tranny...
From (some unheard date) people turning up with scrap to cash in will
need photo ID (driving licence, passport, etc) and a recent utility
bill in their address/name.

Might be a good thing and the genuine scrap collectors will be able to
arrange something. Of course, the pikeys will simply forge stuff.

More hassle. I don't have a photo license, my passport will at some
point expire and I couldn't even send my wife instead, as all the
utility bills are in my name!

What's wrong with simply requiring all payments to be made in the form
of a "refund" onto a debit card? Easy to track when numerous payments
are being made to particular accounts. The photo ID/utility bill option
could be kept for those (few) that don't have debit cards.

SteveW

On 30/12/2011 00:46, Steve Walker wrote:
On 29/12/2011 13:10, wrote:
Just heard on 't tranny...
From (some unheard date) people turning up with scrap to cash in will
need photo ID (driving licence, passport, etc) and a recent utility
bill in their address/name.

Might be a good thing and the genuine scrap collectors will be able to
arrange something. Of course, the pikeys will simply forge stuff.

More hassle. I don't have a photo license, my passport will at some
point expire and I couldn't even send my wife instead, as all the
utility bills are in my name!

What's wrong with simply requiring all payments to be made in the form
of a "refund" onto a debit card? Easy to track when numerous payments

Problem with handing over debit card details, is that the transaction
can go both ways!

are being made to particular accounts. The photo ID/utility bill option
could be kept for those (few) that don't have debit cards.

Or payment by cheque / BACS etc. For frequent (i.e. business) users they
could open an account with a scrappie, who would then credit their
account automatically on production of their scrappie issued trade card.

The difficulty with many of these systems however is that it assumes the
scrappies are honest and its only the people delivering them stuff that
are bent.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On Dec 30, 3:00*am, John Rumm wrote:

The difficulty with many of these systems however is that it assumes the
scrappies are honest and its only the people delivering them stuff that
are bent.

It is strange that this has been going on for decades or centuries
with precious metal scrap but legislation is only being proposed now,
when copper-alloys have become valuable enough to be regularly stolen
and/or the penalties have become an inadequate deterrent.

There are jewellers or pawn-brokers who pay a 'thief's price' for
jewellery, and invariably claim that they had no reason to suppose
that the smack-head/ hoodie vendor may have stolen the items. Any
attempt to trace the loot invariably finds that it has been sold on.
The stolen items are often of immense sentimental value far beyond
their scrap value.

Is there similar legislation covering the sale of precious metals or
valuables?

On 30/12/2011 15:22, Onetap wrote:
On Dec 30, 3:00 am, John wrote:

The difficulty with many of these systems however is that it assumes the
scrappies are honest and its only the people delivering them stuff that
are bent.

It is strange that this has been going on for decades or centuries
with precious metal scrap but legislation is only being proposed now,
when copper-alloys have become valuable enough to be regularly stolen
and/or the penalties have become an inadequate deterrent.

There are jewellers or pawn-brokers who pay a 'thief's price' for
jewellery, and invariably claim that they had no reason to suppose
that the smack-head/ hoodie vendor may have stolen the items. Any
attempt to trace the loot invariably finds that it has been sold on.
The stolen items are often of immense sentimental value far beyond
their scrap value.

Is there similar legislation covering the sale of precious metals or
valuables?

Handling stolen goods, aka "fencing" etc... as with most of these
specific laws that are proposed, they usually only restate existing ones
with less generality.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On Dec 30, 10:11 pm, John Rumm wrote:
On 30/12/2011 15:22, Onetap wrote:



On Dec 30, 3:00 am, John wrote:

The difficulty with many of these systems however is that it assumes the
scrappies are honest and its only the people delivering them stuff that
are bent.

It is strange that this has been going on for decades or centuries
with precious metal scrap but legislation is only being proposed now,
when copper-alloys have become valuable enough to be regularly stolen
and/or the penalties have become an inadequate deterrent.

There are jewellers or pawn-brokers who pay a 'thief's price' for
jewellery, and invariably claim that they had no reason to suppose
that the smack-head/ hoodie vendor may have stolen the items. Any
attempt to trace the loot invariably finds that it has been sold on.
The stolen items are often of immense sentimental value far beyond
their scrap value.

Is there similar legislation covering the sale of precious metals or
valuables?

Handling stolen goods, aka "fencing" etc... as with most of these
specific laws that are proposed, they usually only restate existing ones
with less generality.

aye- "soundbite legislation"??

Jim K