I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo deisel,
about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say it is a 16 year-
old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the filter
eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket, so the
occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about every 2 years,
without needing to undo the sump nut - very convenient. ;-)

TIA

Al

AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo deisel,
about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say it is a 16 year-
old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the filter
eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket, so the
occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about every 2 years,
without needing to undo the sump nut - very convenient. ;-)

TIA

Al
6000ml/6months whichever is the sooner. more modern diesels are
12000ml/12months.

You might be adding clean oil regularly but the leak is not getting rid
of any of the sludge from your sump neither do you burn any sludge.

Workout how much hassle and cost to you of a seized engine compared with
2hrs max per year changing your own oil.

Go figure as our 'merkin friends say.

Bob

Bob Minchin wrote:
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo
deisel, about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say
it is a 16 year- old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the
filter eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket,
so the occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about
every 2 years, without needing to undo the sump nut - very
convenient. ;-) TIA

Al
6000ml/6months whichever is the sooner. more modern diesels are
12000ml/12months.

Are you sure?

I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles. I cannot
find the handbook at the moment to check that. Not that I need it as there
is a light comes on the dash to tell me to swap the oil and this is based on
the type and style of driving that I do.

--
Adam

* Sometimes I like to lay in my neighbours garden and pretend to be a
carrot *

ARWadsworth wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo
deisel, about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say
it is a 16 year- old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the
filter eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket,
so the occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about
every 2 years, without needing to undo the sump nut - very
convenient. ;-) TIA

Al
6000ml/6months whichever is the sooner. more modern diesels are
12000ml/12months.

Are you sure?

I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles. I cannot
find the handbook at the moment to check that. Not that I need it as there
is a light comes on the dash to tell me to swap the oil and this is based on
the type and style of driving that I do.

I wouldn't claim to be an expert but when service intervals started
increasing for petrol cars in the 90's, diesels stuck at 6000/6months
meaning (at the time, whilst fuel costs were lower for diesel) , the
increased servicing costs meant that diesels were only worthwhile if the
extended engine life was brought into the sums.
The diesel manufacturers responded and extended to 12k/12m which is the
case for my 54 plate ford diesel car.
I've not come across vehicles offering 30k miles servicing but now I
have bought my car, I've not continued to look at service intervals for
other makes.

As another poster mentioned, the makers recommendations are likely to be
correct.

Bob

Bob Minchin wrote:

when service intervals started
increasing for petrol cars in the 90's, diesels stuck at 6000/6months
meaning (at the time, whilst fuel costs were lower for diesel) , the
increased servicing costs meant that diesels were only worthwhile if the
extended engine life was brought into the sums.
The diesel manufacturers responded and extended to 12k/12m which is the
case for my 54 plate ford diesel car.

My TDI engine is 18,000 miles/24 months, with a possible earlier oil
change depending on driving style.

Large oil sumps (7-8L) mean twice as long oil drain intervals compared
to small (3.7-4.0L). It was all done for the fleet buyer who basically
wanted a) minimal servicing costs and b) resale on the used market to
be close to what they bought at on the subsidised fleet bulk buyer
market.

Nothing to stop someone using a fleet oil from a motor factor like
Comma, it will be a fair bit less. Note generic oil filters often have
different bypass oil pressure compared to OEM. This can raise its head
during cold starts etc.

Check your air filter if getting a bit forgetful, the rubber seal DOES
break down with age and go through the engine & lodge in the cat. I
know this because of the smell of burning rubber once and it was not
my tyres... had completely forgotten... must have been 8yrs rather
than the suggested 2yrs. Mileage wise it was right, but age wise
things do deteriorate. Likewise coolant level is easy to "drift off to
the back burner" when something somewhere gets a tiny bit leaky (crack
in a plastic fitting which only propogates over years and only opens
at certain temperatures).

Modern diesels are very hard on their oil, the particulate buildup is
severe and multiple short trips or poor monitoring of oil level can
result in very big bills. Things are also not well made, intercoolers
are the thinnest aluminium they could get to come out of the factory
without imploding on impact with a neutrino.

ARWadsworth wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo
deisel, about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say
it is a 16 year- old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the
filter eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket,
so the occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about
every 2 years, without needing to undo the sump nut - very
convenient. ;-) TIA

Al
6000ml/6months whichever is the sooner. more modern diesels are
12000ml/12months.

Are you sure?

I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles. I cannot
find the handbook at the moment to check that. Not that I need it as there
is a light comes on the dash to tell me to swap the oil and this is based on
the type and style of driving that I do.

Thst VERY modern.

Really tight torlearnces and beter materials and beter design and
synthetic oils have pushed oil changes from 3000 miles (BMC A series) to
6000 miles (later BMC series) to 10k miles or annually (most modern cars
I have driven)

I believe some will do better..

On Dec 5, 11:46*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo
deisel, about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say
it is a 16 year- old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the
filter eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket,
so the occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about
every 2 years, without needing to undo the sump nut - very
convenient. ;-) TIA

Al
6000ml/6months whichever is the sooner. more modern diesels are
12000ml/12months.

Are you sure?

I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles. I cannot
find the handbook at the moment to check that. Not that I need it as there
is a light comes on the dash to tell me to swap the oil and this is based on
the type and style of driving that I do.

Thst VERY modern.

Really tight torlearnces and beter materials and beter design and
synthetic oils have pushed oil changes from 3000 miles (BMC A series) to

As fitted to the Marina, Maestro and Metro, the main service interval
(with 1980's oils) was 12,000 miles without any intermediary interval.

6000 miles (later BMC series) to 10k miles or annually (most modern cars
I have driven)

I believe some will do better..

They might survive, but their economy and performance will suffer,
along with driver satisfaction.

In article
,
thirty-six wrote:
Really tight torlearnces and beter materials and beter design and
synthetic oils have pushed oil changes from 3000 miles (BMC A series) to

As fitted to the Marina, Maestro and Metro, the main service interval
(with 1980's oils) was 12,000 miles without any intermediary interval.

That was the A plus version. Not the same as the earlier A Series. The A
series engine had more variants than many had hot dinners.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

thirty-six wrote:
On Dec 5, 11:46 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo
deisel, about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say
it is a 16 year- old vehicle.
What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the
filter eventually clog up, or what?
As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket,
so the occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about
every 2 years, without needing to undo the sump nut - very
convenient. ;-) TIA
Al
6000ml/6months whichever is the sooner. more modern diesels are
12000ml/12months.
Are you sure?
I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles. I cannot
find the handbook at the moment to check that. Not that I need it as there
is a light comes on the dash to tell me to swap the oil and this is based on
the type and style of driving that I do.
Thst VERY modern.

Really tight torlearnces and beter materials and beter design and
synthetic oils have pushed oil changes from 3000 miles (BMC A series) to

As fitted to the Marina, Maestro and Metro, the main service interval
(with 1980's oils) was 12,000 miles without any intermediary interval.


with 1960s oils it wasn't. Or 1960s QC

e.g. my 1980s haynes maual for triumph spitfires puts the oil change at
6000 with a sniffy note 'that this has been extended by he manufacture
to 12000 on later models' as if they couldn't be held responsible if the
engine flew apart.. ;-)

And that was a triumph engine..rather better on cylinder wear rather
worse on bearings from memory.



6000 miles (later BMC series) to 10k miles or annually (most modern cars
I have driven)

I believe some will do better..

They might survive, but their economy and performance will suffer,
along with driver satisfaction.

Huge wrote:
On 2011-12-05, ARWadsworth wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo
deisel, about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say
it is a 16 year- old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the
filter eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box
gasket, so the occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil
change about every 2 years, without needing to undo the sump nut -
very convenient. ;-) TIA

Al
6000ml/6months whichever is the sooner. more modern diesels are
12000ml/12months.

Are you sure?

I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles.

Bloody hell - did you hit the zero too many times?

No. I now have the manual. It's 2 years or 30000 miles and uses a SAE 5W-40
oil.

--
Adam

* Sometimes I like to lay in my neighbours garden and pretend to be a
carrot *

In article , ARWadsworth adamwadsworth@blue
yonder.co.uk writes

No. I now have the manual. It's 2 years or 30000 miles and uses a SAE 5W-40
oil.

It's to keep the servicing costs down for fleet managers. Doesn't do
the engine much good though.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , ARWadsworth adamwadsworth@blue
yonder.co.uk writes

No. I now have the manual. It's 2 years or 30000 miles and uses a SAE 5W-40
oil.

It's to keep the servicing costs down for fleet managers. Doesn't do
the engine much good though.


actually fleet cars doing 50k a year probably have far less wear than
the shopping trolley doing 5k..

On Dec 5, 11:25*pm, Huge wrote:

I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles.

Bloody hell - did you hit the zero too many times?

Some Vauxhall petrol engines are 2 years, 20000 miles. So I wouldn't
put it out of the realms of possibility for there to be a few vehicles
like that with modern engines and oils. Though changing more often
than that will probably do the engine good.

I think my Vectra (1.8 VVT petrol) is 1 year, 20000 miles, but as I do
less than 6K a year it's just annual anyway.

Neil

In article
,
Neil Williams wrote:
Some Vauxhall petrol engines are 2 years, 20000 miles. So I wouldn't
put it out of the realms of possibility for there to be a few vehicles
like that with modern engines and oils. Though changing more often
than that will probably do the engine good.

I'm not convinced it does. Most engines outlast the car anyway these days
- unless they suffer a failure like a broken cambelt or cooling system,
neither of which will be prevented by frequent oil changes.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Dec 6, 2:48*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
* *Neil Williams wrote:

Some Vauxhall petrol engines are 2 years, 20000 miles. *So I wouldn't
put it out of the realms of possibility for there to be a few vehicles
like that with modern engines and oils. *Though changing more often
than that will probably do the engine good.

I'm not convinced it does. Most engines outlast the car anyway these days
- unless they suffer a failure like a broken cambelt or cooling system,
neither of which will be prevented by frequent oil changes.

With two or three years between servicing, it's likely to be more
prevalent.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Neil Williams wrote:
Some Vauxhall petrol engines are 2 years, 20000 miles. So I wouldn't
put it out of the realms of possibility for there to be a few
vehicles like that with modern engines and oils. Though changing
more often than that will probably do the engine good.

I'm not convinced it does. Most engines outlast the car anyway these
days - unless they suffer a failure like a broken cambelt or cooling
system, neither of which will be prevented by frequent oil changes.

Actually I do change the oil more often than 30K most times. My brother is
my mechanic and if I was for example having new brake pads fitted and the
oil has done 20K it makes sense for him to drop the oil whilst the car is on
the ramps as it saves me losing another half a days work.

This year is the first time the oil light has come on when actually due for
a change. Too many trips to London, Kent and the Lakes (I am blaming geoff
for some of the London trips)

--
Adam

* Sometimes I like to lay in my neighbours garden and pretend to be a
carrot *

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Neil Williams wrote:
Some Vauxhall petrol engines are 2 years, 20000 miles. So I wouldn't
put it out of the realms of possibility for there to be a few vehicles
like that with modern engines and oils. Though changing more often
than that will probably do the engine good.

I'm not convinced it does. Most engines outlast the car anyway these days
- unless they suffer a failure like a broken cambelt or cooling system,
neither of which will be prevented by frequent oil changes.

Er no.

They can still end up with worn bores and buggered bearings and burn oil
and then put a rod through the block.

On 05/12/11 22:25, Huge wrote:

I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles.

Bloody hell - did you hit the zero too many times?

Some VAG TDIs will do "up to" 30k/2yrs on variable.

On Dec 7, 8:22*pm, Chris Bartram
wrote:
On 05/12/11 22:25, Huge wrote:

I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles.

Bloody hell - did you hit the zero too many times?

Some VAG TDIs will do "up to" 30k/2yrs on variable.

I believe it's more than wishful thinking on a hard working commercial
vehicle.

On 08/12/2011 00:51, thirty-six wrote:
On Dec 7, 8:22 pm, Chris
wrote:
On 05/12/11 22:25, Huge wrote:

I am sure my 54 reg van has the oil change at around 30000 miles.

Bloody hell - did you hit the zero too many times?

Some VAG TDIs will do "up to" 30k/2yrs on variable.

I believe it's more than wishful thinking on a hard working commercial
vehicle.
Indeed. I got 24k from an A3 once, and apparently it's highly unusual to
get more.

Bob Minchin wrote:
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo
deisel, about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say
it is a 16 year- old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the
filter eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket,
so the occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about
every 2 years, without needing to undo the sump nut - very
convenient. ;-) TIA

Al
6000ml/6months whichever is the sooner. more modern diesels are
12000ml/12months.

You might be adding clean oil regularly but the leak is not getting
rid of any of the sludge from your sump neither do you burn any
sludge.
Workout how much hassle and cost to you of a seized engine compared
with 2hrs max per year changing your own oil.

Go figure as our 'merkin friends say.


Further to my other posts my van handbook says that "if more than 1 litre of
oil is used for top ups between service intervals then the oil change
interval is reduced to 20K and that the service interval display should be
ignored"

--
Adam

* Sometimes I like to lay in my neighbours garden and pretend to be a
carrot *

On Dec 6, 8:18*pm, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo
deisel, about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say
it is a 16 year- old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the
filter eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket,
so the occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about
every 2 years, without needing to undo the sump nut - very
convenient. ;-) TIA

Al
6000ml/6months whichever is the sooner. more modern diesels are
12000ml/12months.

You might be adding clean oil regularly but the leak is not getting
rid of any of the sludge from your sump neither do you burn any
sludge.
Workout how much hassle and cost to you of a seized engine compared
with 2hrs max per year changing your own oil.

Go figure as our 'merkin friends say.

Further to my other posts my van handbook says that "if more than 1 litre of
oil is used for top ups between service intervals then the oil change
interval is reduced to 20K and that the service interval display should be
ignored"


ROTFLMAO

OMG, a feel good indicator. Why don't you just rig up a lamp to
indicate you missed the jackpot on the lottery this week. It'll at
least be a more reliable indicator. That sort of bull**** is never
supposed to leave the programmer's bug sheets, er feature list.

On Dec 5, 3:44*pm, "AL_n" wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo deisel,
about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say it is a 16 year-
old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the filter
eventually clog up, or what?

The filter will block oil flow, keeping the bypass valve open, meaning
the engine is running on unfiltered oil continuously. Carbon deposits
will help blow engine seals and there will be an increase in bore and
bearing wear. Tappets may gunge up causing erratic and possibly
dangerous running, think of a valve sticking while cornering on slippy
stuff.


As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket, so the
occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about every 2 years,
without needing to undo the sump nut - very convenient. ;-)

Should make an ideal demonstration when doing an oil change.

In article ,
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo deisel,
about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say it is a 16
year- old vehicle.

Why not just look at the service details? All vehicles are not the same
and the maker generally knows best.

--
*Your kid may be an honours student, but you're still an idiot.

Dave Plowman London SW
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On Dec 5, 3:44*pm, "AL_n" wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo deisel,
about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say it is a 16 year-
old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the filter
eventually clog up, or what?

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket, so the
occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about every 2 years,
without needing to undo the sump nut - very convenient. ;-)

TIA

Al
All filters block up eventually. In most cars, a bypass them opens
but this allows unfiltered oil to go round the engine.

The long molecules in oil get chopped up and the lubricating
properties are reduced.
Also metal fragmetnts, carbon and acids build up in the oil if
unchanged.

Not clever what you are doing.

AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo deisel,
about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say it is a 16 year-
old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the filter
eventually clog up, or what?

yes.

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket, so the
occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about every 2 years,
without needing to undo the sump nut - very convenient. ;-)


I would change the filter and drain teh oil about every 10k miles. It is
not a big job.

Failure to do that will limit engine life to about 80K miles max instead
of the 200K most engines will do if not abused.

Note to buyers:
Beware the 2 year old car with 120k on the clock: Or the one year old
with 60K..Its a reps car and many companies simply never service them at
all from new till resale. It may look shiny, but it probably never had a
pad change or an oil change in its life.

And in any case, if the pedal rubbers are worn and its got 20k on the
clock, worry. Its not so easy to clock cars as it was BUT you can get
the plates and the speedo off a wreck and put them on a high mileage
car..or just the speedo sometimes..

TIA

Al

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And in any case, if the pedal rubbers are worn and its got 20k on the
clock, worry. Its not so easy to clock cars as it was BUT you can get
the plates and the speedo off a wreck and put them on a high mileage
car..or just the speedo sometimes..

A half decent car will store the mileage information elsewhere in
addition. Making it extremely difficult to alter the true reading without
it showing it has been tampered with.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And in any case, if the pedal rubbers are worn and its got 20k on the
clock, worry. Its not so easy to clock cars as it was BUT you can get
the plates and the speedo off a wreck and put them on a high mileage
car..or just the speedo sometimes..

A half decent car will store the mileage information elsewhere in
addition. Making it extremely difficult to alter the true reading without
it showing it has been tampered with.

but not impossible...

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And in any case, if the pedal rubbers are worn and its got 20k on the
clock, worry. Its not so easy to clock cars as it was BUT you can get
the plates and the speedo off a wreck and put them on a high mileage
car..or just the speedo sometimes..

A half decent car will store the mileage information elsewhere in
addition. Making it extremely difficult to alter the true reading
without it showing it has been tampered with.

but not impossible...

Nothing is impossible. However, to change both the speedo and the engine
ECU - and alter them so they can't be traced - requires rather more skill
than the average car thief possesses. But then many buyers won't care that
they've bought stolen goods either. At a knock down price.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And in any case, if the pedal rubbers are worn and its got 20k on the
clock, worry. Its not so easy to clock cars as it was BUT you can get
the plates and the speedo off a wreck and put them on a high mileage
car..or just the speedo sometimes..
A half decent car will store the mileage information elsewhere in
addition. Making it extremely difficult to alter the true reading
without it showing it has been tampered with.

but not impossible...

Nothing is impossible. However, to change both the speedo and the engine
ECU - and alter them so they can't be traced - requires rather more skill
than the average car thief possesses. But then many buyers won't care that
they've bought stolen goods either. At a knock down price.

Its when you pay full price and the thing blows up 1000 miles
later...because the engine had done its 1000k without an oil change..

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I would change the filter and drain teh oil about every 10k miles. It is
not a big job.

Failure to do that will limit engine life to about 80K miles max instead
of the 200K most engines will do if not abused.

Which century are you living in?!? The era of cars needing a new engine
at 100k are long, long gone. Anything built in the last 20 years will do
200k on average maintenance. That there aren't many about is that they
become worthless and chucked in for a change or aren't economic to keep
on the road for the usual reasons.


Note to buyers:
Beware the 2 year old car with 120k on the clock: Or the one year old
with 60K..Its a reps car and many companies simply never service them at
all from new till resale. It may look shiny, but it probably never had a
pad change or an oil change in its life.

Bought my 320d at 127k 3.5yrs old. Stamped service book and copy of
maintenance done kept by the finance company. Done 40k and still 000s
off the next service (20k interval) and the reciprocating parts are at
the bottom of the list as far as things I reckon will need attention!

In similar vein, anyone remember the bloke who posted (prob on
uk.rec.cars.*) about the 2 Astra vans he ran side by side to 100k. One
serviced by the book, the other just keeping the oil topped up. At 100k
the "abused" one was the better car.

Scott

Scott M wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I would change the filter and drain teh oil about every 10k miles. It
is not a big job.

Failure to do that will limit engine life to about 80K miles max
instead of the 200K most engines will do if not abused.

Which century are you living in?!? The era of cars needing a new engine
at 100k are long, long gone. Anything built in the last 20 years will do
200k on average maintenance.

Which is exactly what I said. regular maintenance good for 200k

dont maintain? as low as 80k.

That there aren't many about is that they
become worthless and chucked in for a change or aren't economic to keep
on the road for the usual reasons.


Note to buyers:
Beware the 2 year old car with 120k on the clock: Or the one year old
with 60K..Its a reps car and many companies simply never service them
at all from new till resale. It may look shiny, but it probably never
had a pad change or an oil change in its life.

Bought my 320d at 127k 3.5yrs old. Stamped service book and copy of
maintenance done kept by the finance company. Done 40k and still 000s
off the next service (20k interval) and the reciprocating parts are at
the bottom of the list as far as things I reckon will need attention!

In similar vein, anyone remember the bloke who posted (prob on
uk.rec.cars.*) about the 2 Astra vans he ran side by side to 100k. One
serviced by the book, the other just keeping the oil topped up. At 100k
the "abused" one was the better car.

Scott

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Failure to do that will limit engine life to about 80K miles max
instead of the 200K most engines will do if not abused.

Which century are you living in?!? The era of cars needing a new
engine at 100k are long, long gone. Anything built in the last 20
years will do 200k on average maintenance.

Which is exactly what I said. regular maintenance good for 200k

I read it as "not doing interim oil changes, only good for 80k."

On 05/12/2011 23:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
AL_n wrote:
I last changed the engine oil filter in my Mitsubishi 2.8 turbo
deisel, about 2 years ago. Is that pushing it, a bit? I should say it
is a 16 year-
old vehicle.

What is the effect of *never* changing the oild filter? Does the
filter eventually clog up, or what?

yes.

As for oil changes, there is a slight leak in the rocker box gasket,
so the occasional oil top-ups amount to a complete oil change about
every 2 years, without needing to undo the sump nut - very convenient.
;-)


I would change the filter and drain teh oil about every 10k miles. It is
not a big job.

Definitely. I tend to change the oil at least a bit more frequently than
the manufacturer's recommendations and I always change the filter.

Failure to do that will limit engine life to about 80K miles max instead
of the 200K most engines will do if not abused.

Note to buyers:
Beware the 2 year old car with 120k on the clock: Or the one year old
with 60K..Its a reps car and many companies simply never service them at
all from new till resale. It may look shiny, but it probably never had a
pad change or an oil change in its life.

Huge numbers of company cars are lease cars, with servicing included, so
companies are quite happy to shove them in for regular services. If you
do buy one, you can often get the computer print out that shows every
service, every repair/replacement, etc. complete with dates and mileages
as the lease companies can be quite hot on tracking it all.

And in any case, if the pedal rubbers are worn and its got 20k on the
clock, worry. Its not so easy to clock cars as it was BUT you can get
the plates and the speedo off a wreck and put them on a high mileage
car..or just the speedo sometimes..

In some ways it's probably easier than ever to clock a car (with the
right kit) and there will be no giveaways like scratched "glass" or
surrounds or misaligned digits which could be a giveaway on mechanical
odometers.

TIA

Al

SteveW