For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here is
the way to sort out how to patch them

First of all you need to find the transmitter definition files.

Mine were in /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t

Copy the one you use into somewhere else - home directory
Go to this website

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/postcodec...23+4AG/NA/0/NA

The important thing is to declare yourself trade, and the postcode is
obvious from the above URL (this one is in Surrey)

That nets you your local transmitter data.

To convert channel number to frequency, as the transmitter files
require, take the channel number and add 38.25 to it, and multiply by 8.
That's the frequency in MHz.

If there is a plus after the channel number add 0.167 MHZ.


E.g. channel 50+ is 88.25 * 8= 706MHz plus 0.167MHZ = 706167000 HZ.

That's the second parameter of the new entry.

The third is always 8Mhz, the channel bandwidth.

The fourth sixth and seventh are modulation types. If you hover the
mouse cursor over the channel number on that page, they are revealed . I.e

64QAM 2/3 8k DVB-T

These go in the fields in the new entry in the transmitter file so e.g.

T 706167000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE

is a valid entry

I have no idea what the 5th, 8th and 9th parameters are I left those as
NONE, 1/32, and NONE

My modified uk-sudbury file is this

# UK, Sudbury
# T freq bw fec_hi fec_lo mod transmission-mode guard-interval hierarchy
# 49+ MUX A SDN
T 698167000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 2k 1/32 NONE
#41 MUX2 d3 &4
T 634000000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE
#44 MUX-1 BBCA
T 658000000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE
#47 (HD)
T 682000000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM256 32k 1/32 NONE
#54 Arqiva A
T 738000000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE
#50+ Arqiva B
T 706167000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE


Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Note. Scan didn't understand the HD MUX. Which is OK because neither
does my Hauppage dongle :-)

Note this is all Linux specific. Most other TV software has better self
scanning than Linux :-)

Pete Shew wrote:
On 20/07/2011 15:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here is
the way to sort out how to patch them

First of all you need to find the transmitter definition files.

Mine were in /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t

Copy the one you use into somewhere else - home directory
Go to this website

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/postcodec...23+4AG/NA/0/NA

The important thing is to declare yourself trade, and the postcode is
obvious from the above URL (this one is in Surrey)

That nets you your local transmitter data.

To convert channel number to frequency, as the transmitter files
require, take the channel number and add 38.25 to it, and multiply by 8.
That's the frequency in MHz.

If there is a plus after the channel number add 0.167 MHZ.


E.g. channel 50+ is 88.25 * 8= 706MHz plus 0.167MHZ = 706167000 HZ.

That's the second parameter of the new entry.

The third is always 8Mhz, the channel bandwidth.

The fourth sixth and seventh are modulation types. If you hover the
mouse cursor over the channel number on that page, they are revealed .
I.e

64QAM 2/3 8k DVB-T

These go in the fields in the new entry in the transmitter file so e.g.

T 706167000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE

is a valid entry

I have no idea what the 5th, 8th and 9th parameters are I left those as
NONE, 1/32, and NONE

My modified uk-sudbury file is this

# UK, Sudbury
# T freq bw fec_hi fec_lo mod transmission-mode guard-interval hierarchy
# 49+ MUX A SDN
T 698167000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 2k 1/32 NONE
#41 MUX2 d3 &4
T 634000000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE
#44 MUX-1 BBCA
T 658000000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE
#47 (HD)
T 682000000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM256 32k 1/32 NONE
#54 Arqiva A
T 738000000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE
#50+ Arqiva B
T 706167000 8MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/32 NONE


Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Note. Scan didn't understand the HD MUX. Which is OK because neither
does my Hauppage dongle :-)

Note this is all Linux specific. Most other TV software has better self
scanning than Linux :-)
Thanks, I will know if I need it on August 3rd.

Can you tell me what the other events after steps 1 and 2 mean, i.e.
"COM late power up" and "Reception change"?


COM late power up I take to mean 'we got the channels in place, now we
will put in a bigger transmitter'

'Reception change' could mean anything. Relocating a transmitter array.
on the pole?

Ask Tony Sayer.

My guiding motto when in business was 'only learn as much as you need
to, to get the task in hand done' :-)

Pete

Pete Shew wrote:
On 20/07/2011 15:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
If there is a plus after the channel number add 0.167 MHZ.

Do we subtract 0.167 if there is a minus after the channel number?

Pete
I believe so, yes.

Its not like I wrote the code or am an RF TV frequency expert. I just
fiddled with it till it worked with a but of educated guesswork!

The Natural Philosopher writes:

For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here
is the way to sort out how to patch them

[...]

Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Or use `w_scan' (URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html),
thus avoiding the need for the initial tuning files?

--
Mark

Mark Williams wrote:
The Natural Philosopher writes:

For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here
is the way to sort out how to patch them

[...]

Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Or use `w_scan' (URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html),
thus avoiding the need for the initial tuning files?

If I read German, I might...

The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 01/08/2011 20:37:
Mark Williams wrote:
The Natural Philosopher writes:

For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here
is the way to sort out how to patch them

[...]

Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Or use `w_scan' (URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html),
thus avoiding the need for the initial tuning files?

If I read German, I might...

Unfortunately you seem to have missed the link to English text, shown in
large letters at the top of the quoted URL page. The download link and
changelog are only available on the German page as is explained by the
English text, however, but they are obvious.

The given examples make this utility seem potentially very helpful, but
requires compilation from source code. I haven't used it myself so I
cannot comment on its effectiveness.

--
Dave N

Dave N wrote, on 02/08/2011 07:18:
The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 01/08/2011 20:37:
Mark Williams wrote:
The Natural Philosopher writes:

For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here
is the way to sort out how to patch them

[...]

Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Or use `w_scan' (URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html),
thus avoiding the need for the initial tuning files?

If I read German, I might...

Unfortunately you seem to have missed the link to English text, shown in
large letters at the top of the quoted URL page. The download link and
changelog are only available on the German page as is explained by the
English text, however, but they are obvious.

The given examples make this utility seem potentially very helpful, but
requires compilation from source code. I haven't used it myself so I
cannot comment on its effectiveness.


There is a guide (English on Ubuntu) to w_scan he-

http://edafe.org/vdr/w_scan/

Apparently I was wrong and the tarball includes a precompiled binary.
There is a comparison of scanning utilities on LinuxTV Wiki:-

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequency_scan#Comparison_of_DVB_frequency_scannin g_commandline_utilities

--
Dave N

Dave N wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 01/08/2011 20:37:
Mark Williams wrote:
The Natural Philosopher writes:

For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here
is the way to sort out how to patch them

[...]

Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Or use `w_scan' (URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html),
thus avoiding the need for the initial tuning files?

If I read German, I might...

Unfortunately you seem to have missed the link to English text, shown in
large letters at the top of the quoted URL page. The download link and
changelog are only available on the German page as is explained by the
English text, however, but they are obvious.

The given examples make this utility seem potentially very helpful, but
requires compilation from source code. I haven't used it myself so I
cannot comment on its effectiveness.

downloaded and compiled OK..seems to be a pretty good tool...running a
scan now..

Hmm. Nope. Its all over the feckin place. Half the channels are missing
and the rest are on frequencies I dont recognise.

Doesn't seem to cope with the offset channels at all.

Dave N wrote:
Dave N wrote, on 02/08/2011 07:18:
The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 01/08/2011 20:37:
Mark Williams wrote:
The Natural Philosopher writes:

For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here
is the way to sort out how to patch them

[...]

Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Or use `w_scan' (URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html),
thus avoiding the need for the initial tuning files?

If I read German, I might...

Unfortunately you seem to have missed the link to English text, shown in
large letters at the top of the quoted URL page. The download link and
changelog are only available on the German page as is explained by the
English text, however, but they are obvious.

The given examples make this utility seem potentially very helpful, but
requires compilation from source code. I haven't used it myself so I
cannot comment on its effectiveness.


There is a guide (English on Ubuntu) to w_scan he-

http://edafe.org/vdr/w_scan/

Apparently I was wrong and the tarball includes a precompiled binary.
There is a comparison of scanning utilities on LinuxTV Wiki:-

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequency_scan#Comparison_of_DVB_frequency_scannin g_commandline_utilities


As I said, it doesn't seem to be able to cope with the current mess that
represents all the offset channels.

To be frank,. neither did the wife's MAC OSX software (eye-TV) had to
manually tune that to the offset frequencies..and a weird bug has turned
up in the STB's as well. radio stations cut out after a few seconds..
and the screen displays channel info but no sound. Had to set it in
'menu' mode to listen to Test match special. That stops it doing that..

Sigh. I guess the software will catch up, eventually.

The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 02/08/2011 11:16:
Dave N wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 01/08/2011 20:37:
Mark Williams wrote:
The Natural Philosopher writes:

For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here
is the way to sort out how to patch them

[...]

Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Or use `w_scan' (URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html),
thus avoiding the need for the initial tuning files?

If I read German, I might...

Unfortunately you seem to have missed the link to English text, shown
in large letters at the top of the quoted URL page. The download link
and changelog are only available on the German page as is explained by
the English text, however, but they are obvious.

The given examples make this utility seem potentially very helpful,
but requires compilation from source code. I haven't used it myself so
I cannot comment on its effectiveness.

downloaded and compiled OK..seems to be a pretty good tool...running a
scan now..

Hmm. Nope. Its all over the feckin place. Half the channels are missing
and the rest are on frequencies I dont recognise.

Doesn't seem to cope with the offset channels at all.


Pity but, as you say, the software will eventually catch-up I hope. Is
it a peculiarity of the UK adopted system causing these complications?

--
Dave N

Dave N wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 02/08/2011 11:16:
Dave N wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 01/08/2011 20:37:
Mark Williams wrote:
The Natural Philosopher writes:

For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here
is the way to sort out how to patch them

[...]

Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Or use `w_scan'
(URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html),
thus avoiding the need for the initial tuning files?

If I read German, I might...

Unfortunately you seem to have missed the link to English text, shown
in large letters at the top of the quoted URL page. The download link
and changelog are only available on the German page as is explained by
the English text, however, but they are obvious.

The given examples make this utility seem potentially very helpful,
but requires compilation from source code. I haven't used it myself so
I cannot comment on its effectiveness.

downloaded and compiled OK..seems to be a pretty good tool...running a
scan now..

Hmm. Nope. Its all over the feckin place. Half the channels are missing
and the rest are on frequencies I dont recognise.

Doesn't seem to cope with the offset channels at all.


Pity but, as you say, the software will eventually catch-up I hope. Is
it a peculiarity of the UK adopted system causing these complications?

I think the Great Digital Switchover is proving to be the Great Digital
Cockup actually.


These offset channels are simply abominations if you aren't expecting
them..and it seems taht even when you are thins dot go right.

scan got two sets of answers, one for the channel, one for the offset
channel, at first. I deleted the wrong duplicates..

Eye-TV got two sets, and deleted the wrong set, and needed to be
manually rescanned on the exact frequency. Or it said 'no signal'

the SONY STB works, except as noted the radio stations stop working
after a few seconds. Not sure why, except the presence of video info
seems to confuse it..sigh..

It seems to be a combination of 'whatever works today, use it'

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
Dave N wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 02/08/2011 11:16:
Dave N wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote, on 01/08/2011 20:37:
Mark Williams wrote:
The Natural Philosopher writes:

For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here
is the way to sort out how to patch them

[...]

Hope this helps anyone else struggling to retune - several times - in
the mass switchover being undertaken this year.

Or use `w_scan'
(URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html),
thus avoiding the need for the initial tuning files?

If I read German, I might...

Unfortunately you seem to have missed the link to English text, shown
in large letters at the top of the quoted URL page. The download link
and changelog are only available on the German page as is explained by
the English text, however, but they are obvious.

The given examples make this utility seem potentially very helpful,
but requires compilation from source code. I haven't used it myself so
I cannot comment on its effectiveness.

downloaded and compiled OK..seems to be a pretty good tool...running a
scan now..

Hmm. Nope. Its all over the feckin place. Half the channels are missing
and the rest are on frequencies I dont recognise.

Doesn't seem to cope with the offset channels at all.


Pity but, as you say, the software will eventually catch-up I hope. Is
it a peculiarity of the UK adopted system causing these complications?

I think the Great Digital Switchover is proving to be the Great Digital
Cockup actually.

Well with the number of channels that have to be shunted around its done
quite well really. The alternative is to make everyone go satellite or
shut the terrestrial network down for a few weeks but can you just
imagine the riots if the nation were deprived of Corrie for a few
episodes and what ever might happen to the birth-rate;?...



These offset channels are simply abominations if you aren't expecting
them..and it seems taht even when you are thins dot go right.

They have as line-offsets been around for a very many years. If the
software can't cope then blame the designer/writer!...


scan got two sets of answers, one for the channel, one for the offset
channel, at first. I deleted the wrong duplicates..

Eye-TV got two sets, and deleted the wrong set, and needed to be
manually rescanned on the exact frequency. Or it said 'no signal'

the SONY STB works, except as noted the radio stations stop working
after a few seconds. Not sure why, except the presence of video info
seems to confuse it..sigh..

It seems to be a combination of 'whatever works today, use it'


Duff s/w package perhaps?. We've got a few PCI type satellite receivers
here and the odd software update is quite welcome sometimes ..

--
Tony Sayer

The Natural Philosopher writes:

[`w_scan' (URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html)]

downloaded and compiled OK..seems to be a pretty good tool...running a
scan now..

Hmm. Nope. Its all over the feckin place. Half the channels are
missing and the rest are on frequencies I dont recognise.

Doesn't seem to cope with the offset channels at all.

So you claim. But having just checked our transmitter with the URL
given in the OP, all of the [pre-shuffle] DVB-T multiplexes (except the
HD one, which my card cannot demodulate) are listed as either `+' or `-'
offset channels. `w_scan' Just Found Them in December 2010 and August
2011 at the expected frequencies. I hadn't even noticed that the
multiplexes weren't exact multiples of 8MHz apart until this thread.

OTOH, we seem to have reasonable reception here and TPTB haven't started
switching the analogue signals off, shuffling the channel allocations
around or broadcasting the DVB-T at higher power yet. If you have
marginal reception and/ or hardware, then it might be worth trying
expert options such as the `-F' and `-t 3' timeout options.

--
Mark

Mark Williams wrote:
The Natural Philosopher writes:

[`w_scan' (URL:http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/index2.html)]
downloaded and compiled OK..seems to be a pretty good tool...running a
scan now..

Hmm. Nope. Its all over the feckin place. Half the channels are
missing and the rest are on frequencies I dont recognise.

Doesn't seem to cope with the offset channels at all.

So you claim.

I have no reason to lie.


But having just checked our transmitter with the URL
given in the OP, all of the [pre-shuffle] DVB-T multiplexes (except the
HD one, which my card cannot demodulate) are listed as either `+' or `-'
offset channels. `w_scan' Just Found Them in December 2010 and August
2011 at the expected frequencies. I hadn't even noticed that the
multiplexes weren't exact multiples of 8MHz apart until this thread.

OTOH, we seem to have reasonable reception here and TPTB haven't started
switching the analogue signals off, shuffling the channel allocations
around or broadcasting the DVB-T at higher power yet. If you have
marginal reception and/ or hardware, then it might be worth trying
expert options such as the `-F' and `-t 3' timeout options.


TBH now I understand what's a-going on, its no big deal to and edit the
locale file.

I spent a morning with w_scan, and a simple scan did not get all the
channels and some of what it did were not on the right frequency. They
might have been Sandy Heath sidelobes..that comes in quite well
here..borderline between that and sudbury, though I point at sudbury.


Anyway haveing been up half the night trying to make wifes Macintosh
work..would you believe that a program - Quark Xpress - installed and
never generated a directory for its preferences, and , failing to find
it, crashed with a segfault?

In the documentation it tells you how to make it. (Should you have
problems)


Not only was that present as a fault on the original installing script,
but also the three upgrades subsequently applied over it. Ye gods. This
is code that sells for the best part of a grand..though we got this
second hand for a lot less.

All for the sake of an

If Not exist PREFS DIR THEN create PREFS DIR.

Christ its so basic, and then when you fail to open the preferences
files, no check there either, assume its open, uncorrupted and you have
the data.. and if you don't? Well, sod it. Segfault.

That bug there for 2.5 years at least. In fact judging by what I found
on line, its there for 5-6 years further on...
I get better stability on Linux free code than that.

The Natural Philosopher writes:

Doesn't seem to cope with the offset channels at all.

So you claim.

I have no reason to lie.

The evidence you posted does not necessarily support your claim, that's
all. My evidence directly contradicts your claim.

I spent a morning with w_scan, and a simple scan did not get all the
channels and some of what it did were not on the right frequency. They
might have been Sandy Heath sidelobes..that comes in quite well
here..borderline between that and sudbury, though I point at sudbury.

You can probably get some indications about which transmitter `w_scan'
finds with a `-v' option (or two). You should definitely be able to
tell from the frequencies, though. If it is finding and preferring
transmitters which you didn't expect, then it might indicate reception
problems. Can you find out what power level, signal:noise ratio and
decoder error rate you are getting from the `right' and `wrong'
frequencies?

Anyway haveing been up half the night trying to make wifes Macintosh
work..would you believe that a program - Quark Xpress - installed and
never generated a directory for its preferences, and , failing to find
it, crashed with a segfault?

[...]

That bug there for 2.5 years at least. In fact judging by what I found
on line, its there for 5-6 years further on...

Yes, that is very easy to believe of proprietary software. Serves you
right for being in that position, IMO (cf. the `poverty' thread).

I get better stability on Linux free code than that.

Is that supposed to be parsed as `Linux-free code' or `Linux
free[dom]-code' :-)?

--
Mark

On Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:03:49 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here is

Sir. Thank you so much for taking the time to post clear instructions!

I've spent hours wrestling with a transmitter update in April 2018 due to MythTV and its channel scanner not picking the strongest signal channel, only the first transport it comes across.

Unfortunately it was getting signals from two transmitters, one very weak but first in line so to speak. So 50% of channels were missing.
And the DVB-T Linux Apps files are out of date.

Your post has everything working again

Thank you!

And its been know since 2011 as well. Hardly the best advert for Linux I've
seen. Brian

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On Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:03:49 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
For those of you who run TV cards on Linux in the UK..and are having
trouble retuning using 'scan' because the transmitter files that come
with the standard distros of dvb utilities don't work any more, here is

Sir. Thank you so much for taking the time to post clear instructions!

I've spent hours wrestling with a transmitter update in April 2018 due to
MythTV and its channel scanner not picking the strongest signal channel,
only the first transport it comes across.

Unfortunately it was getting signals from two transmitters, one very weak
but first in line so to speak. So 50% of channels were missing.
And the DVB-T Linux Apps files are out of date.

Your post has everything working again

Thank you!

On 30/04/2018 10:11, Brian Gaff wrote:
And its been know since 2011 as well. Hardly the best advert for Linux I've
seen. Brian


The best advert for open source software built on linux are the embeded
devices like routers, nas boxes, etc. where the user doesn't know or
need to know its linux based.

The worst are where its trying to be a desktop OS.

On 30/04/2018 10:49, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/04/2018 10:11, Brian Gaff wrote:
And its been know since 2011 as well. Hardly the best advert for Linux
I've
seen. Brian


The best advert for open source software built on linux are the embeded
devices like routers, nas boxes, etc. where the user doesn't know or
need to know its linux based.

.... and part of someone's botnet due to lame security and no updates ;-)




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On 30/04/2018 11:05, John Rumm wrote:
On 30/04/2018 10:49, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/04/2018 10:11, Brian Gaff wrote:
And its been know since 2011 as well. Hardly the best advert for Linux
I've
seen. Brian


The best advert for open source software built on linux are the embeded
devices like routers, nas boxes, etc. where the user doesn't know or
need to know its linux based.

... and part of someone's botnet due to lame security and no updates ;-)





Fortunately they are still updating my router and my NAS boxen.
Some may not be so lucky.

On 30/04/18 11:05, John Rumm wrote:
On 30/04/2018 10:49, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/04/2018 10:11, Brian Gaff wrote:
And its been know since 2011 as well. Hardly the best advert for Linux
I've
seen. Brian


The best advert for open source software built on linux are the embeded
devices like routers, nas boxes, etc. where the user doesn't know or
need to know its linux based.

... and part of someone's botnet due to lame security and no updates ;-)




Oh dear.
Anyway kaffeine which I use doesn't need these files.

A lot has changed since 2011.


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name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Anyway kaffeine which I use doesn't need these files.
A lot has changed since 2011.

w_scan is a good replacement for all the dvbscan/scandvb/tzap/szap
utilities and doesn't need an initial tuning file.

I now use tvheadend instead of mythbackend and kodi instead of
mythfrontend, and that has very good automatic scanning.

On 30/04/2018 11:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/04/18 11:05, John Rumm wrote:
On 30/04/2018 10:49, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/04/2018 10:11, Brian Gaff wrote:
And its been know since 2011 as well. Hardly the best advert for Linux
I've
seen. Brian


The best advert for open source software built on linux are the embeded
devices like routers, nas boxes, etc. where the user doesn't know or
need to know its linux based.

... and part of someone's botnet due to lame security and no updates ;-)




Oh dear.
Anyway kaffeine which I use doesn't need these files.

A lot has changed since 2011.

Alas the quantity of landfill linux boxen - unpatched and unpatchable
has only increased...


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Cheers,

John.

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