I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

The acid intended for removing cementy marks from brickwork will fix
it. Only needs a small amount. Don't leave it in there too long, it
may mark the finish of the bowl.

harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing
lasts 5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.


I have never regretted mine for an instant.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing lasts
5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.


I have never regretted mine for an instant.

But how much do you spend on salt or acid and alkali to recharge the ion
exchange resins, over the period of the life of the plumbing? And, soft
water is more likely to leach out any lead that may be in your pipes too.
It isn't the best stuff for drinking.

I used to maintain a deionising plant for a lot of process solutions.
Recharging the resins was a delicate art and used 50 litres of conc HCl and
50 litres of conc aqueous caustic soda, every couple of days. But we were
the biggest water user in town...

S

Spamlet wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks
The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing lasts
5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.


I have never regretted mine for an instant.

But how much do you spend on salt or acid and alkali to recharge the ion
exchange resins, over the period of the life of the plumbing?

£6 very 6 weeks for two people


So about £50 a year.

You can wreck a400 quid shower moxer and head in 18 months with limescale.


And, soft
water is more likely to leach out any lead that may be in your pipes too.
It isn't the best stuff for drinking.

There is no lead in my pipes. No one has internal lead plumbing these days.


I used to maintain a deionising plant for a lot of process solutions.
Recharging the resins was a delicate art and used 50 litres of conc HCl and
50 litres of conc aqueous caustic soda, every couple of days. But we were
the biggest water user in town...


well there you go. Domestic water softeners are just 25kg of salt every
6 weeks: Tip it in and forget..


S

On 18 Aug, 20:12, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


There is no lead in my pipes.

solder?


No one has internal lead plumbing these days.

"no-one"? why?

Cheers
JimK

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Spamlet wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks
The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing
lasts 5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one
in.


I have never regretted mine for an instant.

But how much do you spend on salt or acid and alkali to recharge the ion
exchange resins, over the period of the life of the plumbing?

£6 very 6 weeks for two people


So about £50 a year.

You can wreck a400 quid shower moxer and head in 18 months with limescale.

How many people have 400 quid shower heads?

tm

On 18 Aug, 19:47, "Spamlet" wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in ...





harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing lasts
5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.

I have never regretted mine for an instant.

But how much do you spend on salt or acid and alkali to recharge the ion
exchange resins, over the period of the life of the plumbing? *And, soft
water is more likely to leach out any lead that may be in your pipes too.
It isn't the best stuff for drinking.

I used to maintain a deionising plant for a lot of process solutions.
Recharging the resins was a delicate art and used 50 litres of conc HCl and
50 litres of conc aqueous caustic soda, every couple of days. *But we were
the biggest water user in town...

S- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The above is complete nonsense. Rainwater is acid due to CO2 in the
air. If it falls on chalk or limestone, the acid may be partially or
wholly neutralised. The water has then got dissoved calcium
bicarbonate in it (among other things). It may still be acid.
Simple agitation of the water, eg flushing the bog will turn it back
to insoluble calcium carbonate. (Lime scale) This is called temporary
hardness BTW.
If the water is still acid it will attack any metal pipework including
lead, copper, iron or zinc. Zinc is especially vulnerable, it's
leached out of brass (de-zincification)
However the water companies treat the water so it's not acid tp
preserve their pipes. But it will still be hard. Lately however as
plastic pipes become more common I hear they're getting a bit careless
about this.
Hard water is good for your health. You need calcium for your bones.
Softened water is bad for your health as it contains sodium. So you
shouldn't drink it. You need to arrange your plumbing so that you
drink unsoftened water.
There exists magnetic and electric devices that allegedly soften your
water. I think personally that they're ********.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On 18 Aug, 19:47, "Spamlet" wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in
...





harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing
lasts
5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.

I have never regretted mine for an instant.

But how much do you spend on salt or acid and alkali to recharge the ion
exchange resins, over the period of the life of the plumbing? And, soft
water is more likely to leach out any lead that may be in your pipes too.
It isn't the best stuff for drinking.

I used to maintain a deionising plant for a lot of process solutions.
Recharging the resins was a delicate art and used 50 litres of conc HCl
and
50 litres of conc aqueous caustic soda, every couple of days. But we were
the biggest water user in town...

S- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The above is complete nonsense. Rainwater is acid due to CO2 in the
air. If it falls on chalk or limestone, the acid may be partially or
wholly neutralised. The water has then got dissoved calcium
bicarbonate in it (among other things). It may still be acid.
Simple agitation of the water, eg flushing the bog will turn it back
to insoluble calcium carbonate. (Lime scale) This is called temporary
hardness BTW.
If the water is still acid it will attack any metal pipework including
lead, copper, iron or zinc. Zinc is especially vulnerable, it's
leached out of brass (de-zincification)
However the water companies treat the water so it's not acid tp
preserve their pipes. But it will still be hard. Lately however as
plastic pipes become more common I hear they're getting a bit careless
about this.
Hard water is good for your health. You need calcium for your bones.
Softened water is bad for your health as it contains sodium. So you
shouldn't drink it. You need to arrange your plumbing so that you
drink unsoftened water.
There exists magnetic and electric devices that allegedly soften your
water. I think personally that they're ********.

Don't see how any of that makes the foregoing nonsense. Some dispute over
the life extension of 'plumbing' from deionisation perhaps, but there are
two different aspects at play: the solvent action of the soft water vs the
element clagging of the unsoftened. Water co prefers the first as they don't
have many elements between plant and house: NT probably has more hassle with
blocked showers and clagged elements than he does with dissolving pipes and
rads. Me: am currently waiting to have three rads replaced that all
developed holes at the same time (sadly not fit enough to DIY it at the mo
though I rather enjoy modern 'plumbing' - 'plasticing') and this *is* a hard
water area... (I'm assuming tide lines in the rads from someone neglecting
bleeding for some time.)

Incidentally, the stuff in the bog will not be just lime, but also salts
derived from cholesterol and urea, and it can be quite pongy to scrape - but
no doubt v good for the roses and tomatoes.

S

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing lasts
5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.


I have never regretted mine for an instant.

Is this something that can be fitted easily ? (I live in a communal
building)

Sound slike a good idea if it will stop limescale and help the plumbing...

Matthew.Ridges wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks
The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing lasts
5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.


I have never regretted mine for an instant.

Is this something that can be fitted easily ? (I live in a communal
building)


fairly simple.

About the size of a waste bin, plumbed into the cold supply AFTER the
kitchen tap has been taken off. Needs a mains supply too.


Sound slike a good idea if it will stop limescale and help the plumbing...


cost you about 600 plus couplings and pipe. But simple.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:14:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
fairly simple.

About the size of a waste bin, plumbed into the cold supply AFTER the
kitchen tap has been taken off. Needs a mains supply too.

that's interesting... what's the reason for keeping the kitchen tap
supply separate? (my brother-in-law has one, and IIRC it sits between the
well feed and the rest of the house, i.e. no special case for the kitchen)

On 18/08/2010 19:54, Matthew.Ridges wrote:
"The Natural wrote in message
...
harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing lasts
5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.


I have never regretted mine for an instant.

Is this something that can be fitted easily ? (I live in a communal
building)

Sound slike a good idea if it will stop limescale and help the plumbing...


Sulfamic acid (Fernox descaler) works for me. The problem is keeping it
in contact with the scale. I block the toilet so it comes right up to
the rim and leave overnight

"stuart noble" wrote in message
news:BBXao.126358$qO1.124934@hurricane...
On 18/08/2010 19:54, Matthew.Ridges wrote:
"The Natural wrote in message
...
harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing
lasts
5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.


I have never regretted mine for an instant.

Is this something that can be fitted easily ? (I live in a communal
building)

Sound slike a good idea if it will stop limescale and help the
plumbing...

Sulfamic acid (Fernox descaler) works for me. The problem is keeping it in
contact with the scale. I block the toilet so it comes right up to the rim
and leave overnight

How do you block it?

On 18/08/2010 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
harry wrote:
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I
can do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that plumbing
lasts 5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put one in.


I have never regretted mine for an instant.

I'll second that. Time saved cleaning is huge - only the drinking water
tap to remind me what scale and watermarks are about.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:07:20 +0100, Invisible Man wrote:

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that
plumbing
lasts 5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put
one
in.

I'll second that. Time saved cleaning is huge - only the drinking water
tap to remind me what scale and watermarks are about.

Depends where you are and how hard your water is. When we lived in St
Albans it was hard and full of odd metal minerals as well, the kettle
would need descaling every few weeks and the scale was some lovely
colours of green and blue, borehole water I think. When we moved up
here the descale time went out to 6 months or so and the scale was
pure white. That water came from an addit in the limestone hillside
1/2 a mile away. They then put in a new supply fromk Burnhope
Reservior, we don't descale the kettle at all now. There is soft
brown deposit but it doesn't build up like scale does.

I was under the impression that really soft water is worse for the
plumbing as it will slowly dissolve the copper, copper that is not
protected by a layer of scale...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 8/20/2010 12:52 PM, Dave Liquorice wrote:

I was under the impression that really soft water is worse for the
plumbing as it will slowly dissolve the copper, copper that is not
protected by a layer of scale...

Before we got our new water supply, our (brownish) water was so soft
that I had to regularly scrub blue-green stains from under the hot taps
- and the hot water tank became very thin...
Now we have colourless water, and no stains from the hot taps - but no
noticeable scale, either.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:07:20 +0100, Invisible Man wrote:

The only way of stopping it is to fit a water softener.

And to those who cant see the point in them, the fact that
plumbing
lasts 5-10 times longer, and isn't cheap, is a handy reason to put
one
in.

I'll second that. Time saved cleaning is huge - only the drinking water
tap to remind me what scale and watermarks are about.

Depends where you are and how hard your water is. When we lived in St
Albans it was hard and full of odd metal minerals as well, the kettle
would need descaling every few weeks and the scale was some lovely
colours of green and blue, borehole water I think. When we moved up
here the descale time went out to 6 months or so and the scale was
pure white. That water came from an addit in the limestone hillside
1/2 a mile away. They then put in a new supply fromk Burnhope
Reservior, we don't descale the kettle at all now. There is soft
brown deposit but it doesn't build up like scale does.

I was under the impression that really soft water is worse for the
plumbing as it will slowly dissolve the copper, copper that is not
protected by a layer of scale...

--
Cheers
Dave.

The rusty bits in your tap water at St Albans were probably from the rusting
pipes on the way to your house. You probably got out just in time before
having to replace them.

S

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dave Liquorice"
saying something like:

Depends where you are and how hard your water is. When we lived in St
Albans it was hard and full of odd metal minerals as well, the kettle
would need descaling every few weeks and the scale was some lovely
colours of green and blue, borehole water I think.

When I moved in here I had a borehole, the water from which did exactly
as you describe. I've been connected to the public mains for years and
now have a borehole for sale, if anyone's interested.

On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

did it do it in the old bog?

Jim K

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do
to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

did it do it in the old bog?

Jim K

Yeah we had the problem in there, where the little holes under the rim where
blocked and no amount of scrubbing with a little brush helped so I just
bought a new one as the old was was damaged and limescaled up.

"Matthew.Ridges" wrote in message
...

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

did it do it in the old bog?

Jim K

Yeah we had the problem in there, where the little holes under the rim
where blocked and no amount of scrubbing with a little brush helped so I
just bought a new one as the old was was damaged and limescaled up.

If you mean that dreadful green stuff from Domestos, we found it utterly
useless too: and it leaves green stains of its own everywhere.

You might ask your water supplier if they are going OTT on their water
hardness: I think, even for this there are supposed to be limits.
If yours is not exceptionally high, our water is directly from the Chalk and
is quite hard, but the loo does not lime up all that quickly enough to be
difficult to control.
What I do is keep an eye out for when the sump seems to be retaining skid
marks longer than it should. Then I sprinkle citric acid crystals around
after a flush so that they stick to the sides and some go into the sump, and
leave it over night. Next day I flush, and then follow up with the bog
brush and bleach. It keeps clean without very much effort.

The holes under the rim are not so easy, but my 20% citric spray can get up
there and soften it; followed by a stainless scourer swarf scrub in the
actual groove, and if necessary a suitable sized nail/screwdriver/drill bit
clears out the holes. A mirror helps. [Don't use a stainless scourer on the
main visible bowl as it will mark. You can, however use an ordinary iron
scraper on any tougher deposits you have, and the acid will remove any marks
that makes.] The holes only really need doing once in a blue moon, so it
is not as fiddly as it sounds, but if you have an economy flush model you
want them as clear as possible or the whole bowl may not get rinsed.

S

"Matthew.Ridges" wrote in message
...

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically
just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've
tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can
do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

did it do it in the old bog?

Jim K

Yeah we had the problem in there, where the little holes under the rim
where blocked and no amount of scrubbing with a little brush helped so I
just bought a new one as the old was was damaged and limescaled up.

Robert Dyas and some other hardware retailers sell concentrated hydrochloric
acid as a descaler. This is highly-effective although care is needed in
using it as it releases hydrogen chloride gar which is not nice. I think
it's about £3 - £4 for a 500ml bottle. It definitely works as I've used it
to completely remove all signs of scale from a heavily scaled up toilet
bowl.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:40:51 +0100, Mr. Benn wrote:

Robert Dyas and some other hardware retailers sell concentrated hydrochloric
acid as a descaler. This is highly-effective although care is needed in
using it as it releases hydrogen chloride gar which is not nice. I think
it's about £3 - £4 for a 500ml bottle. It definitely works as I've used it
to completely remove all signs of scale from a heavily scaled up toilet
bowl.

Just keep it away from all chromium though, including stainless steel. It
does like that!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

"PeterC" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:40:51 +0100, Mr. Benn wrote:

Robert Dyas and some other hardware retailers sell concentrated
hydrochloric
acid as a descaler. This is highly-effective although care is needed in
using it as it releases hydrogen chloride gar which is not nice. I think
it's about £3 - £4 for a 500ml bottle. It definitely works as I've used
it
to completely remove all signs of scale from a heavily scaled up toilet
bowl.

Just keep it away from all chromium though, including stainless steel. It
does like that!

Been there, done that and learnt the lesson the wrong way!

Matthew.Ridges wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to discourage it from coming back or what I can do to
get rid of it ?

Install a water softener, or use a lot of descaling acid.
Or both.

Thanks

On Aug 18, 6:45*pm, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

Any reasonably strong acid will obliterate limescale rapidly. HCl,
sulphamic acid, or if you have the patience of Job then citric would
work. You can get acids from a builder's merchant. Yes, some are
dangerous, especially 98% sulphuric acid.


NT

On 18 Aug, 22:25, Tabby wrote:
On Aug 18, 6:45*pm, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:

I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

Any reasonably strong acid will obliterate limescale rapidly. HCl,
sulphamic acid, or if you have the patience of Job then citric would
work. You can get acids from a builder's merchant. Yes, some are
dangerous, especially 98% sulphuric acid.

NT

Nobody sells 98% sulphuric acid to the public these days.

"Matthew.Ridges" wrote in message
...
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do
to get rid of it ?

citric acid will remove it and should be safe.

On 18/08/2010 18:45, Matthew.Ridges wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks


Killrock from B&Q. £2. Pour it in. Leave overnight. Scour round to
remove last vestiges. Works a treat.

Peter Scott

On 18 Aug, 18:45, "Matthew.Ridges" wrote:
I'm having a bit of a battle with limescal in a new toilet. Basically just
put in a new toilet and limescale is building up at the bottom. I've tried
limescale domestos products with no luck.

Any ideas what I can do to dicourage it from coming back or what I can do to
get rid of it ?

Thanks

Sugar Soap worked on my last bog. Not had a problem with the new one.