These electrician's pliers (bottom of page) look interesting.

http://planet.farnell.com/email/cpc/...ers/March3.htm

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
These electrician's pliers (bottom of page) look interesting.

http://planet.farnell.com/email/cpc/...ers/March3.htm

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The price is the most interesting part.

They are usually only £20 plus VAT at most electrical wholesalers.

CK are not good IMHO. Knipex are far better.

Adam

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:45:58 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

look interesting.


'Look interesting'? Now we understand. Tools ain't about doing jobs,
they're about possession, owning, gloating over.....

:-)


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In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:
These electrician's pliers (bottom of page) look interesting.

http://planet.farnell.com/email/cpc/...ers/March3.htm

I found that if you cut through a live ring circuit with
ordinary wire cutters, you end up with those two extra
wire stripping notches after the flash and the bang...
I found the resulting wire cutters to be extremely useful,
but unfortunately mislaid them about 10 years later.
I guess I can always make another one ;-)

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On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:55:14 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:
These electrician's pliers (bottom of page) look interesting.

http://planet.farnell.com/email/cpc/...ers/March3.htm

I found that if you cut through a live ring circuit with ordinary wire
cutters, you end up with those two extra wire stripping notches after
the flash and the bang... I found the resulting wire cutters to be
extremely useful, but unfortunately mislaid them about 10 years later. I
guess I can always make another one ;-)

I still have the set I 'made' in 1969... .-)



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ARWadsworth writes

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
These electrician's pliers (bottom of page) look interesting.

http://planet.farnell.com/email/cpc/...ers/March3.htm

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The price is the most interesting part.

Yeah - watch out for CPC "bargain" prices

latest flier from CPC has a webcam identical to one I have just bought
but it is £2 more expensive and the Hitachi ext HDD is about a tenner up
on my local computer shop


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In article ,
ARWadsworth wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
These electrician's pliers (bottom of page) look interesting.

http://planet.farnell.com/email/cpc/...ers/March3.htm


The price is the most interesting part.

They are usually only £20 plus VAT at most electrical wholesalers.

CK are not good IMHO. Knipex are far better.

Ah. I'd never seen them before. Most of the combination cutters/strippers
I've seen have been lightweight devices.

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Bob Eager
saying something like:

I found that if you cut through a live ring circuit with ordinary wire
cutters, you end up with those two extra wire stripping notches after
the flash and the bang... I found the resulting wire cutters to be
extremely useful, but unfortunately mislaid them about 10 years later. I
guess I can always make another one ;-)

You don't get the chance these days - the RCD will flip first.

I still have the set I 'made' in 1969... .-)

I had a set that a 'friend' made later than that, by the simple
expedient of using them to cut something far too hard.

On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:19:41 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Bob Eager
saying something like:

I found that if you cut through a live ring circuit with ordinary wire
cutters, you end up with those two extra wire stripping notches after
the flash and the bang... I found the resulting wire cutters to be
extremely useful, but unfortunately mislaid them about 10 years later. I
guess I can always make another one ;-)

You don't get the chance these days - the RCD will flip first.

Not if you get it dead straight - earth core is thinner than the others..!

In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
I had a set that a 'friend' made later than that, by the simple
expedient of using them to cut something far too hard.

Good test for GP side cutters - something like piano wire. Most fail it.

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On Mar 4, 9:15*am, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
* *Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

I had a set that a 'friend' made later than that, by the simple
expedient of using them to cut something far too hard.

Good test for GP side cutters - something like piano wire. Most fail it.


Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.


NT

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
I had a set that a 'friend' made later than that, by the simple
expedient of using them to cut something far too hard.

Good test for GP side cutters - something like piano wire. Most fail it.



The Knipex website gives the maximum diameter piano wire that their side
cutters will cut through. I have never had the chance to try that.

Adam

On 4 Mar, 19:51, NT wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:15*am, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
* *Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

I had a set that a 'friend' made later than that, by the simple
expedient of using them to cut something far too hard.

Good test for GP side cutters - something like piano wire. Most fail it..

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

NT

For hard wire Lindstrom TRX8180 about 50 quid plus VAT but they are
very nice indeed

http://www.lindstromtools.com/pdf/TRx8180_US.pdf

Cheers
Adam

On 3 Mar, 20:55, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,

I found that if you cut through a live ring circuit with
ordinary wire cutters, you end up with those two extra
wire stripping notches after the flash and the bang...

Assuming your vision isn't impaired too much!

In article
,
NT wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:15 am, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

I had a set that a 'friend' made later than that, by the simple
expedient of using them to cut something far too hard.

Good test for GP side cutters - something like piano wire. Most fail
it.


Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

On a decent make? I'd hope not.


NT

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in 715946 20100305 081103 1501 wrote:
On 3 Mar, 20:55, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,

I found that if you cut through a live ring circuit with
ordinary wire cutters, you end up with those two extra
wire stripping notches after the flash and the bang...

Assuming your vision isn't impaired too much!

I saw someone insert a 14-inch screwdriver too near a magnetron.
After the flash and bang he was left with 3 inches of plastic handle.

In article ,
1501 writes:
On 3 Mar, 20:55, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,

I found that if you cut through a live ring circuit with
ordinary wire cutters, you end up with those two extra
wire stripping notches after the flash and the bang...

Assuming your vision isn't impaired too much!

It took about a week for the vapourised copper to wear off
the end of my thumb and thumb nail, although it didn't do
any harm or hurt or burn or anything like that, but it
wouldn't wash off.

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NT wrote:


Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

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On Jun 14, 7:22*pm, Frederick Williams
wrote:
NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

try it then


NT

In message
, NT
writes
On Jun 14, 7:22*pm, Frederick Williams
wrote:
NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

try it then

*iron* fencing wire can be soft or, in the high tensile version ******
hard.

regards

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On 14 June, 20:18, NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

try it then

Friend of mine is a florist. They've been cutting soft iron florist's
wire with the same pair of old CK diagonals for as long as I've known
them.

I don't know what "ordinary" iron wire is, because iron florist's wire
is getting to be quite specialised these days. Did you mean steel?

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
*iron* fencing wire can be soft or, in the high tensile version ******
hard.

Is there such a thing as high tensile iron? Or is it steel?

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NT wrote:
On Jun 14, 7:22 pm, Frederick Williams
wrote:
NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.
That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

try it then


I have on many occasions. Its not the worst thing at all.
Cuts like bitter.

High tensile steel bolts and piano wire is quite another matter.

Of course this is assuming high carbon steel side-cutters... not some B
& Q special made in India out of recycled mango pips.



NT

Tim Lamb wrote:
In message
, NT
writes
On Jun 14, 7:22 pm, Frederick Williams
wrote:
NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

try it then

*iron* fencing wire can be soft or, in the high tensile version ******
hard.


if its hard its steel. No matter what its CALLED.


regards

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 14 June, 20:18, NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.
That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.
try it then

Friend of mine is a florist. They've been cutting soft iron florist's
wire with the same pair of old CK diagonals for as long as I've known
them.

I don't know what "ordinary" iron wire is, because iron florist's wire
is getting to be quite specialised these days. Did you mean steel?


I suspect that mots 'iron' wire is simply very poor grade steel of some
sort.

Cast iron is very hiogh carbon, very hard, very brittle. As carbon
content comes down it gets more ductile and less brittle, and eventually
pure iron - which is very very expensive at any standard of purity at
all, - is surprisingly soft AFAICR.

Agricultural 'iron' wire that I have used has merely been soft steel of
poor quality.

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message
, NT
writes
On Jun 14, 7:22 pm, Frederick Williams
wrote:
NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

try it then
*iron* fencing wire can be soft or, in the high tensile version
****** hard.


if its hard its steel. No matter what its CALLED.

In some circles, its called "wood"

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wrote:
On 14 Jun,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
*iron* fencing wire can be soft or, in the high tensile version ******
hard.
Is there such a thing as high tensile iron? Or is it steel?

Raw cast iron probably would be if it wasn't for the carbon irregularities in
it which makes it break easily in tension.

but cast iron isn't pure iron.

Its absurdly high carbon steel :-)

The nearest thing you find to iron is in magnetic circuits. But even
those are alloys of one sort or another

Pure iron is softer than aluminium.

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:32:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Tim Lamb wrote:
In message
, NT
writes
On Jun 14, 7:22 pm, Frederick Williams
wrote:
NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

try it then

*iron* fencing wire can be soft or, in the high tensile version ******
hard.


if its hard its steel. No matter what its CALLED.

At school in the (very) late 50s "Archie" Campbell had us believe
that "tinplate" was "tinned sheet iron".

Most proper conventional pliers have provision for shearing hard wires
next to the fulcrum 'joint'. There are also some 'wire cutters' with
a double nipping action and harder jaws especially for such as piano
wire.

--
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On Jun 14, 11:31*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
NT wrote:
On Jun 14, 7:22 pm, Frederick Williams
wrote:
NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.
That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

try it then

I have on many occasions. Its not the worst thing at all.
Cuts like bitter.

High tensile steel bolts and piano wire is quite another matter.

Of course this is assuming high carbon steel side-cutters... not some B
& Q special made in India out of recycled mango pips.



NT

a lot of us have used the mango pip type, and with those cutting soft
iron wire soon ruins them


NT

On Jun 14, 9:09*pm, Andy Dingley wrote:
On 14 June, 20:18, NT wrote:

Ordinary iron wire will notch cutters quickly, if you want to do it
deliberately.

That sounds implausible, iron is rather soft.

try it then

Friend of mine is a florist. They've been cutting soft iron florist's
wire with the same pair of old CK diagonals for as long as I've known
them.

I don't know what "ordinary" iron wire is, because iron florist's wire
is getting to be quite specialised these days. Did you mean steel?

a lot of pliers arent that good quality and dont survive it. Its sold
as soft iron wire, I dont really know more than that.


NT

On 15 June, 00:48, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

but cast iron isn't pure iron.

Its absurdly high carbon steel :-)

No you idiot, it's lumps of iron sitting next to lumps of carbon.
Neither is alloyed.

On 15 June, 01:19, Frank Erskine wrote:

At school in the (very) late 50s *"Archie" Campbell had us believe
that "tinplate" was "tinned sheet iron".

I'm near Newport and Pontypool. Two towns that became rich on sheet
iron, first japanned with Pontypool japan (an asphalt lacquer) and
then learning how to tin it, with or without the lacquer. This
tinplate was made of iron for a very long time before it became a
cheap ductile steel.

Although not quite the 50s, unless you're a century older than you
appear.

On 14 June, 23:35, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

I suspect that mots 'iron' wire is simply very poor grade steel of some
sort.

Probably, but florist's is iron. If it isn't, you can feel the
difference. The substitute for florist's iron wire isn't steel, it's
aluminium and even then it has to be annealed after drawing.

Cast iron is very hiogh carbon, very hard, very brittle.

Why do you think cast iron is hard? Chilled cast iron skin can be,
but most isn't.

which is very very expensive at any standard of purity at all

Pure iron's only a little expensive because there's so little call for
it. If you buy it from real suppliers (it still has plenty of uses),
then it's not that expensive. It's certainly cheaper than the
magnetically soft iron alloys (with high silicon, sometimes with
amorphous metallurgy) used for magnetic work.

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 15 June, 00:48, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

but cast iron isn't pure iron.

Its absurdly high carbon steel :-)

No you idiot, it's lumps of iron sitting next to lumps of carbon.
Neither is alloyed.

who mentioned alloyed?

On 15 June, 09:09, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On 15 June, 00:48, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

but cast iron isn't pure iron.

Its absurdly high carbon steel :-)

No you idiot, it's lumps of iron sitting next to lumps of carbon.
Neither is alloyed.

who mentioned alloyed?

Steel is an alloy between the carbon and the iron (i.e. whatever it's
crystals of, they're a combination of the two).

Cast iron is grains of iron, with the carbon free between them and
unalloyed.

In general, bulk cast iron has more carbon than a high carbon steel,
but the iron grains are still pure iron.

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 15 June, 09:09, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On 15 June, 00:48, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
but cast iron isn't pure iron.
Its absurdly high carbon steel :-)
No you idiot, it's lumps of iron sitting next to lumps of carbon.
Neither is alloyed.
who mentioned alloyed?

Steel is an alloy between the carbon and the iron (i.e. whatever it's
crystals of, they're a combination of the two).

Cast iron is grains of iron, with the carbon free between them and
unalloyed.

How odd that none of the carbon makes it into the iron :-)

Think again.

Pure iron is uber soft and ductile. Cast iron is anything but.


In general, bulk cast iron has more carbon than a high carbon steel,
but the iron grains are still pure iron.

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Andy Dingley wrote:
On 15 June, 09:09, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On 15 June, 00:48, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
but cast iron isn't pure iron.
Its absurdly high carbon steel :-)
No you idiot, it's lumps of iron sitting next to lumps of carbon.
Neither is alloyed.
who mentioned alloyed?
Steel is an alloy between the carbon and the iron (i.e. whatever
it's
crystals of, they're a combination of the two).
Cast iron is grains of iron, with the carbon free between them and
unalloyed.

How odd that none of the carbon makes it into the iron :-)

Think again.

Pure iron is uber soft and ductile. Cast iron is anything but.

In general, bulk cast iron has more carbon than a high carbon steel,
but the iron grains are still pure iron.

At the risk of furthering this dispute... traditionally, cast ?? plough
shares were left out to weather *because they last/wear longer*.

regards

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Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Andy Dingley wrote:
On 15 June, 09:09, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On 15 June, 00:48, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
but cast iron isn't pure iron.
Its absurdly high carbon steel :-)
No you idiot, it's lumps of iron sitting next to lumps of carbon.
Neither is alloyed.
who mentioned alloyed?
Steel is an alloy between the carbon and the iron (i.e. whatever it's
crystals of, they're a combination of the two).
Cast iron is grains of iron, with the carbon free between them and
unalloyed.

How odd that none of the carbon makes it into the iron :-)

Think again.

Pure iron is uber soft and ductile. Cast iron is anything but.

In general, bulk cast iron has more carbon than a high carbon steel,
but the iron grains are still pure iron.

At the risk of furthering this dispute... traditionally, cast ?? plough
shares were left out to weather *because they last/wear longer*.


Look up cast iron on Wiki.

It basically gives you the correct information.



regards