We know no one really likes them but my local Tesco's has been selling CFL's
(18w 20w and even some 23W) at 5 for£1. Not always in stock, but got to be
worth buying some.

Alho

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:36:53 +0000, Alho grumbled:

We know no one really likes them but my local Tesco's has been selling
CFL's (18w 20w and even some 23W) at 5 for£1. Not always in stock, but
got to be worth buying some.

50p for 5x20w ones at Sainsbury in Winnersh this week if anyone is near..

Mike P

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:36:53 +0000, Alho wrote:

We know no one really likes them ...

OK, maybe I'm no-one, but I prefer them to crappy hot yellow
19th-century-tech tungsten. The only place I use incandescents are a
couple of 20W 12V halogens in the cupboard-sized downstairs loo and a
mains GLS-style halogen in the PIR-activated outside light, where a fluoro
would be rubbish due to the frequent ons and offs and low temperatures.
Oh, and CFLs aren't much cop in lava lamps ;-)

but my local Tesco's has been selling
CFL's (18w 20w and even some 23W) at 5 for£1. Not always in stock, but
got to be worth buying some.

Thanks, I'll take a look next time I'm near a Tesco.
Normally, of course, I don't go in.[1]





[1] g'wan, hands up who gets that reference? ;-)

--
John Stumbles

Who's *really* behind all these conspiracy theories?

In message , John Stumbles
writes
OK, maybe I'm no-one, but I prefer them to crappy hot yellow
19th-century-tech tungsten.
Well, I've posted before and I'll repeat. We have installed these
everywhere and they are terrible. One room has 2 x 3-bulb lights. By
mixing and not matching, we can get the lights to come on and slowly
assume reading brightness, but we have what it says on the boxes is the
equivalent of 360 watts in the lounge. We used to run on 40 watt bulbs.
Add to this one of the lamps glows green. The other green one in another
room expired after about 2 months. They were badged "Ever Ready". One of
the Philips ones lasted about the same time and was the source of a
sizzling sound for the last 2 weeks of its life.

The Philips ones come with a little leaflet to post to tell them how
wonderful they are. I'm reduced to filling them in and telling it like
it is. Mustn't waste the freepost.

In 2 bedrooms we have some bluey-green light, but we will have to
replace the single fittings with multiples to achieve sensible levels of
lighting.
In the 'music room' my daughter complains that she can't see her piano
music properly. All I get is moans.
Elsewhere the CFL candle bulbs are too big for the fittings, so the fake
candle bits have had to be discarded. They came from CPC. They seem to
have faded, as an air of gloom has descended on that room and we have
had 2 failed bulbs in the year in the '3 bulb 'candelabra'..

I'm not against FL's. The strip light in the kitchen is fine, but the
rating is realistic. Maybe if 30-watt CFL's were common and of
consistent quality, I'd become more enthusiastic.
--
Bill

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:28:30 +0000, Bill wrote:

In message , John Stumbles
writes
OK, maybe I'm no-one, but I prefer them to crappy hot yellow
19th-century-tech tungsten.
Well, I've posted before and I'll repeat. We have installed these
everywhere and they are terrible. One room has 2 x 3-bulb lights. By
mixing and not matching, we can get the lights to come on and slowly
assume reading brightness, but we have what it says on the boxes is the
equivalent of 360 watts in the lounge. We used to run on 40 watt bulbs.
Add to this one of the lamps glows green. The other green one in another
room expired after about 2 months. They were badged "Ever Ready". One of
the Philips ones lasted about the same time and was the source of a
sizzling sound for the last 2 weeks of its life.

Not had any such problems: only the odd ones that go flickery or quite dim
just before they expire.

In 2 bedrooms we have some bluey-green light, but we will have to
replace the single fittings with multiples to achieve sensible levels of
lighting.
In the 'music room' my daughter complains that she can't see her piano
music properly. All I get is moans.
Elsewhere the CFL candle bulbs are too big for the fittings, so the fake
candle bits have had to be discarded. They came from CPC. They seem to
have faded, as an air of gloom has descended on that room and we have
had 2 failed bulbs in the year in the '3 bulb 'candelabra'..

I don't have candle bulbs anywhe they're just too naff in any
technology :-)

The least satisfactory CFLs I have, from the pov of warm-up time and
lifetime (though the current batch seem to be getting better) are GU10
equivalents.

You do have to take the incandescent-equivalent ratings with a pinch of
salt: I go for 20W CFLs in place of 100W tungstens.


I'm not against FL's. The strip light in the kitchen is fine, but the
rating is realistic.

If only one could get regular strip fluoros in presentable
non-style-challenged fittings :-(


--
John Stumbles

militant pacifist

I'm not against FL's. The strip light in the kitchen is fine, but the
rating is realistic.

If only one could get regular strip fluoros in presentable
non-style-challenged fittings :-(


--
John Stumbles



I wish I could find some decent circular T5 fittings.

On 25 Nov, 16:23, "John" wrote:
I'm not against FL's. The strip light in the kitchen is fine, but the
rating is realistic.

If only one could get regular strip fluoros in presentable
non-style-challenged fittings :-(

--
John Stumbles

I wish I could find some decent circular T5 fittings.

Siteco do some quite nice linear and circular fittings, but aimed at
the office market so thoroughly modernist looking (and pricey no
doubt).

On Nov 24, 11:28*pm, Bill wrote:
In message , John Stumbles
writes

OK, maybe I'm no-one, but I prefer them to crappy hot yellow
19th-century-tech tungsten.

Well, I've posted before and I'll repeat. We have installed these
everywhere and they are terrible. One room has 2 x 3-bulb lights. By
mixing and not matching, we can get the lights to come on and slowly
assume reading brightness, but we have what it says on the boxes is the
equivalent of 360 watts in the lounge. We used to run on 40 watt bulbs.
Add to this one of the lamps glows green. The other green one in another
room expired after about 2 months. They were badged "Ever Ready". One of
the Philips ones lasted about the same time and was the source of a
sizzling sound for the last 2 weeks of its life.

The Philips ones come with a little leaflet to post to tell them how
wonderful they are. I'm reduced to filling them in and telling it like
it is. Mustn't waste the freepost.

In 2 bedrooms we have some bluey-green light, but we will have to
replace the single fittings with multiples to achieve sensible levels of
lighting.
In the 'music room' my daughter complains that she can't see her piano
music properly. All I get is moans.
Elsewhere the CFL candle bulbs are too big for the fittings, so the fake
candle bits have had to be discarded. They came from CPC. They seem to
have faded, as an air of gloom has descended on that room and we have
had *2 failed bulbs in the year in the '3 bulb 'candelabra'..

I'm not against FL's. The strip light in the kitchen is fine, but the
rating is realistic. Maybe if 30-watt CFL's were common and of
consistent quality, I'd become more enthusiastic.

The thing with cfls is, like linear fls, they range in quality from
excellent to dire. Picking philips wasn't a good start, and it sounds
like you've gone for too low power lamps too.

Try something decent like Osram, using 23w for 100w, 15w for 60w, and
11w for 40w.


NT

NT wrote:

Picking philips wasn't a good start [...]

IME the Philips 'professional' ones (PLET range[1]) are excellent. The
local John Lewis used to sell them but alas they only seem to carry the
subsidised stuff now. The better lamps do cost a bit more, but lamp
cost is down in the noise once you factor in the lifetime electricity cost.

Try something decent like Osram, using 23w for 100w, 15w for 60w, and
11w for 40w.

Agreed - Osram 'Dulux' types are also very good and 4:1 ratio is about
right.

[1] Available from electrical wholesalers or see
http://www.lightbulbs-direct.com/cat...-energy-saver/

--
Andy

Andy Wade
wibbled on Wednesday 25 November 2009 09:34

NT wrote:

Picking philips wasn't a good start [...]

IME the Philips 'professional' ones (PLET range[1]) are excellent. The
local John Lewis used to sell them but alas they only seem to carry the
subsidised stuff now. The better lamps do cost a bit more, but lamp
cost is down in the noise once you factor in the lifetime electricity
cost.

Try something decent like Osram, using 23w for 100w, 15w for 60w, and
11w for 40w.

Agreed - Osram 'Dulux' types are also very good and 4:1 ratio is about
right.

[1] Available from electrical wholesalers or see

http://www.lightbulbs-direct.com/cat...-energy-saver/


I can speak highly of Prolite Spirals - very good light (I have the daylight
and that's good enough for me to spot the 3 different brands of pipe and
fittings on my white waste pipes from the kitchen(!). They do a warm white
too. Had 7 in service for a year and one died (unless it's the plug fuse -
haven;t checked yet - TBF it's in a hand lamp and does get knocked about)
but the rest are still burning strong and bright.

Haven't found Megaman and Varilight bad either.

Don't touch unbranded/wierd branded cheap crap IMO. I had some Tesco cheap
ones a few years back. All useless - very dim. Another brand I bought a
load of were "Your" (some chinese home grown crap) and they did run OK at
first, but dimmed out in about 6-9 months. Doubt their carbon footprint
even beat a filament lamp.

You generally get what you pay for (exceptionally lucky bargains excepted)

--
Tim Watts

This space intentionally left blank...

In article , Andy Wade
Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:34:32 writes

Try something decent like Osram, using 23w for 100w, 15w for 60w, and
11w for 40w.

I wonder what the design criteria is for 23w and 11w.

Why 11 and not 10? Maybe someone should make 98w tungsten.

I wonder how accurate the 11w rating actually is. Probably 15w in
practice.
--
Les Desser
(The Reply-to address IS valid)

Bill wrote:
In message , John Stumbles
writes
OK, maybe I'm no-one, but I prefer them to crappy hot yellow
19th-century-tech tungsten.
Well, I've posted before and I'll repeat. We have installed these
everywhere and they are terrible. One room has 2 x 3-bulb lights. By
mixing and not matching, we can get the lights to come on and slowly
assume reading brightness, but we have what it says on the boxes is the
equivalent of 360 watts in the lounge. We used to run on 40 watt bulbs.
Add to this one of the lamps glows green. The other green one in another
room expired after about 2 months. They were badged "Ever Ready". One of
the Philips ones lasted about the same time and was the source of a
sizzling sound for the last 2 weeks of its life.

The Philips ones come with a little leaflet to post to tell them how
wonderful they are. I'm reduced to filling them in and telling it like
it is. Mustn't waste the freepost.

In 2 bedrooms we have some bluey-green light, but we will have to
replace the single fittings with multiples to achieve sensible levels of
lighting.
In the 'music room' my daughter complains that she can't see her piano
music properly. All I get is moans.
Elsewhere the CFL candle bulbs are too big for the fittings, so the fake
candle bits have had to be discarded. They came from CPC. They seem to
have faded, as an air of gloom has descended on that room and we have
had 2 failed bulbs in the year in the '3 bulb 'candelabra'..

I'm not against FL's. The strip light in the kitchen is fine, but the
rating is realistic. Maybe if 30-watt CFL's were common and of
consistent quality, I'd become more enthusiastic.
Bill, you seem to have an amazing talent to consistently purchase really
bad CFL's. All the CFL's that I have seem to come on to full
brightness within about a second or two. The only bulb that takes a
while is housed to make it look like a traditional incandescent bulb.
This was bought as an experiment as I have a lamp shade where the bulb
is completely exposed (not my choice). I have also purchased some CFL
GU10's to replace some halogen GU10's. The CFL's are 7W instead of 40W
and a lot brighter, almost too bright. Maybe the halogens have dimmed
with age.


Give it a few years and CFL's will be a thing of the past. LED's will
have become the norm. The latest from Cree ( http://www.cree.com/ ), the
XP-G with an R5 bin can produce about 139 lumens per watt. CFL's produce
about 60 to 72 lm/W and incandescents produce 8 to 17 lm/W

LED technology is coming on in leaps and bounds. OLED's offer up the
possibility of moving away from point source emmission of light. Quantum
dot LED's can produce any colour that you like.

On Nov 25, 9:59*am, Rob Horton wrote:
I have also purchased some CFL GU10's to replace some halogen GU10's.
The CFL's are 7W instead of 40W and a lot brighter, almost too bright.
Maybe the halogens have dimmed with age.

I am about to do something very similar. A transformer has gone in
the roof above the bathroom, so I'm going to replace transformer+MR16
halogen with GU10 fitting + CFL.

What brand of CFL did you fit?

Martin Bonner wrote:
On Nov 25, 9:59 am, Rob Horton wrote:
I have also purchased some CFL GU10's to replace some halogen GU10's.
The CFL's are 7W instead of 40W and a lot brighter, almost too bright.
Maybe the halogens have dimmed with age.

I am about to do something very similar. A transformer has gone in
the roof above the bathroom, so I'm going to replace transformer+MR16
halogen with GU10 fitting + CFL.

What brand of CFL did you fit?
It came from Tesco's, 2 for 1 offer which may not be running now. These
types do take a short time to reach full brightness which may or may not
be a problem for a bathroom.

Clearly there is a variation in operation between manufacturer and light
design. The manufacturers should quote start up times on the packaging
as well as colour temperature.

Rob Horton wrote:
Bill wrote:
In message , John Stumbles
writes
OK, maybe I'm no-one, but I prefer them to crappy hot yellow
19th-century-tech tungsten.
Well, I've posted before and I'll repeat. We have installed these
everywhere and they are terrible. One room has 2 x 3-bulb lights. By
mixing and not matching, we can get the lights to come on and slowly
assume reading brightness, but we have what it says on the boxes is
the equivalent of 360 watts in the lounge. We used to run on 40 watt
bulbs.
Add to this one of the lamps glows green. The other green one in
another room expired after about 2 months. They were badged "Ever
Ready". One of the Philips ones lasted about the same time and was the
source of a sizzling sound for the last 2 weeks of its life.

The Philips ones come with a little leaflet to post to tell them how
wonderful they are. I'm reduced to filling them in and telling it like
it is. Mustn't waste the freepost.

In 2 bedrooms we have some bluey-green light, but we will have to
replace the single fittings with multiples to achieve sensible levels
of lighting.
In the 'music room' my daughter complains that she can't see her piano
music properly. All I get is moans.
Elsewhere the CFL candle bulbs are too big for the fittings, so the
fake candle bits have had to be discarded. They came from CPC. They
seem to have faded, as an air of gloom has descended on that room and
we have had 2 failed bulbs in the year in the '3 bulb 'candelabra'..

I'm not against FL's. The strip light in the kitchen is fine, but the
rating is realistic. Maybe if 30-watt CFL's were common and of
consistent quality, I'd become more enthusiastic.
Bill, you seem to have an amazing talent to consistently purchase really
bad CFL's. All the CFL's that I have seem to come on to full brightness
within about a second or two. The only bulb that takes a while is
housed to make it look like a traditional incandescent bulb. This was
bought as an experiment as I have a lamp shade where the bulb is
completely exposed (not my choice). I have also purchased some CFL
GU10's to replace some halogen GU10's. The CFL's are 7W instead of 40W
and a lot brighter, almost too bright. Maybe the halogens have dimmed
with age.


Give it a few years and CFL's will be a thing of the past. LED's will
have become the norm. The latest from Cree ( http://www.cree.com/ ), the
XP-G with an R5 bin can produce about 139 lumens per watt. CFL's produce
about 60 to 72 lm/W and incandescents produce 8 to 17 lm/W

LED technology is coming on in leaps and bounds. OLED's offer up the
possibility of moving away from point source emmission of light. Quantum
dot LED's can produce any colour that you like.

Just to show that things really are marching on, Cree announced on Dec
1, 186 Lumens per Watt from a High-Power LED


http://www.cree.com/press/press_deta...=1259701233981

In article ,
Rob Horton writes:
Rob Horton wrote:

Give it a few years and CFL's will be a thing of the past. LED's will
have become the norm. The latest from Cree ( http://www.cree.com/ ), the
XP-G with an R5 bin can produce about 139 lumens per watt. CFL's produce
about 60 to 72 lm/W and incandescents produce 8 to 17 lm/W

LED technology is coming on in leaps and bounds. OLED's offer up the
possibility of moving away from point source emmission of light. Quantum
dot LED's can produce any colour that you like.

Just to show that things really are marching on, Cree announced on Dec
1, 186 Lumens per Watt from a High-Power LED

http://www.cree.com/press/press_deta...=1259701233981

Lab efficiencies long ago passed the point where, if that
had been the limiting factor, LEDs would now be the norm.
The failure of the industry to bring any viable products
to the mass market has not been down to this.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Normally, of course, I don't go in.[1]
[1] g'wan, hands up who gets that reference? ;-)

John,


Um..*thinks*...*faint bells ringing*...

Death Cab for Cutie? Shirt? Definitely Viv anyway.

In message , John Stumbles
writes
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:36:53 +0000, Alho wrote:

We know no one really likes them ...

OK, maybe I'm no-one, but I prefer them to crappy hot yellow
19th-century-tech tungsten. The only place I use incandescents are a
couple of 20W 12V halogens in the cupboard-sized downstairs loo and a
mains GLS-style halogen in the PIR-activated outside light, where a fluoro
would be rubbish due to the frequent ons and offs and low temperatures.
Oh, and CFLs aren't much cop in lava lamps ;-)

but my local Tesco's has been selling
CFL's (18w 20w and even some 23W) at 5 for£1. Not always in stock, but
got to be worth buying some.

Thanks, I'll take a look next time I'm near a Tesco.
Normally, of course, I don't go in.[1]

[1] g'wan, hands up who gets that reference? ;-)


Stumbles, you utter ******* ...

If it is a BDDB, I have it almost going round and round in my head, but
I have a problem with my record deck ATM

I can't get a grip on something meaningful


Spill the beans



--
geoff

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:12:51 +0000, geoff wrote:

Stumbles, you utter ******* ...

If it is a BDDB, I have it almost going round and round in my head, but
I have a problem with my record deck ATM

Life's like that, isn't it? Only the other day was strolling through the
West End when, suddenly, I was set upon by hordes of fans and admirers who
wanted to ... touch my clothes: so I took refuge in a nearby cinema.
Normally, of course, I don't go in but that day I saw something that
really moved me. It was ... The Sound Of Music ...


--
John Stumbles

If we'd known how much fun grandchildren are
we'd have had them first

In message , John Stumbles
writes
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:12:51 +0000, geoff wrote:

Stumbles, you utter ******* ...

If it is a BDDB, I have it almost going round and round in my head, but
I have a problem with my record deck ATM

Life's like that, isn't it? Only the other day was strolling through the
West End when, suddenly, I was set upon by hordes of fans and admirers who
wanted to ... touch my clothes: so I took refuge in a nearby cinema.
Normally, of course, I don't go in but that day I saw something that
really moved me. It was ... The Sound Of Music ...


Of all the "talkies", it's the one I didn't think of

Obvious



--
geoff

Huge wrote:
On 2009-11-26, John Stumbles
It was ... The Sound Of Music ...

Who'd have thought - uk.d-i-y is full of Bonzo fans. (I count myself
amongst them.)


Having just dug that out of Spotify
http://open.spotify.com/track/6rW7BEuiPPBuzx0uAkeh5a

That track is such a cacophony of hoots, cackles, and wails. Perfect
silliness, but can't quite hear an Angle Grinder being played...

--
Adrian C

In message , Adrian C
writes
Huge wrote:
On 2009-11-26, John Stumbles
It was ... The Sound Of Music ...
Who'd have thought - uk.d-i-y is full of Bonzo fans. (I count myself
amongst them.)


Having just dug that out of Spotify
http://open.spotify.com/track/6rW7BEuiPPBuzx0uAkeh5a

That track is such a cacophony of hoots, cackles, and wails. Perfect
silliness, but can't quite hear an Angle Grinder being played...

The closest you'll get is "the intro and the outro"


--
geoff

Huge wrote:
On 2009-11-27, Adrian C wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2009-11-26, John Stumbles
It was ... The Sound Of Music ...
Who'd have thought - uk.d-i-y is full of Bonzo fans. (I count myself
amongst them.)

Having just dug that out of Spotify
http://open.spotify.com/track/6rW7BEuiPPBuzx0uAkeh5a

Sadly that doesn't do a whole lot on my Linux box.


You need the Spotify client. Runs fine under WINE.

Huge wrote:

Having just dug that out of Spotify
http://open.spotify.com/track/6rW7BEuiPPBuzx0uAkeh5a

Sadly that doesn't do a whole lot on my Linux box.


Spotify works fine on Wine.
http://www.spotify.com/en/help/faq/wine/

I've got it in the workshop running quite nicely on a PII-400MHz PC on
the previous to recent release of Xubuntu.

--
Adrian C

Alho wrote:
We know no one really likes them

Poundland is still selling 100W Pearl Incandesent bulbs, 3 for a pound.

--
Adrian C

In article , Adrian C
writes

Poundland is still selling 100W Pearl Incandesent bulbs, 3 for a pound.

TJ Hughes* is doing 4 clear 60 or 100W for 99pee.

* A chain mainly based in the North selling pile-it-high, flog-it-cheap
goods purchased from emporia unable to sell them, m'lud.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=) Bunny says Windows 7 is Vi$ta reloaded.
(")_(") http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png

On Nov 25, 4:27*pm, Adrian C wrote:
Alho wrote:
We know no one really likes them

Poundland is still selling 100W Pearl Incandesent bulbs, 3 for a pound.

they were 6 or 8 for £1 last time I looked, but mixed wattages


NT

"Alho" wrote in message
...
We know no one really likes them but my local Tesco's has been selling
CFL's (18w 20w and even some 23W) at 5 for£1. Not always in stock, but got
to be worth buying some.

Thank you for pointing this out, I have bought a supply.

It really is very strange pricing £1 each or 5 for £1. I have paid nearly
£7 each for these in the past.