This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg

Bob wrote:
This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg


What bugs me, as a retired chemist, is that fluorescent bulbs have
always contained mercury:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescent_lamp

Mercury toxicity depends on the chemical state it is in. The EPA advice
cited is just plain nuts to me.

I use CFL's for energy savings but I'm damned if I want congress to tell
me what to do and if I ever break one or throw it away, what I do with
it is my business.

Frank wrote:
Bob wrote:
This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg

What bugs me, as a retired chemist, is that fluorescent bulbs have
always contained mercury:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescent_lamp

Mercury toxicity depends on the chemical state it is in. The EPA advice
cited is just plain nuts to me.

I use CFL's for energy savings but I'm damned if I want congress to tell
me what to do and if I ever break one or throw it away, what I do with
it is my business.


CFL's also emit UV. People that have Lupus, fibromyalgia, or Sjogrens
syndrome (auto-immune diseases) become very ill. Going into any store
with fluorescent lighting causes them a lot of discomfort.

On Jun 22, 6:14*am, "Bob" wrote:
This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg

That guy is a jack ass and so are you, I bet he is paid by
incandesant bulb manufacturers, he quotes the KKK, he wants more coal
burning without advocating better cleaner technologies that would
reduce its pollutants, one of which is Mercury. Did you know that in
burning coal the energy used to operate a 100w incandesant releases
2-4 times as much Mercury into the air you breath today over the life
of the bulb as a cfl contains. You do realise that the inneficent
electric heater we know as an incandesant bulb actualy only outputs
3-7% of its energy consumed as light you see, and the rest is heat.
Now thats a good policy to continue, run 11, 100w incandesants and you
have a 1000w electric heater, run your AC more to remove that heat and
release more mercury into your air, thats dumb. Has anyone ever cared
about tube flourescents impact from Mercury, I bet they have many
times as much mercury in them.

I have no need to throw those cfls into the garbage, HD has a nine
year warranty and I am going to use it, I dont even need a reciept, My
HD charge has it on permenant record.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:29:38 GMT, Chuck wrote:

CFL's also emit UV. People that have Lupus, fibromyalgia, or Sjogrens
syndrome (auto-immune diseases) become very ill. Going into any store
with fluorescent lighting causes them a lot of discomfort.

Hi Chuck,

Note that incandescent lamps also emit UV; where this may be a
concern, halogen lamps with their hard (UV absorbing) glass
construction are a better choice and, in particular, those with
special UV coatings.

With respect to fluorescents and UV, here's what GE has to say:

"The amount of UV produced by standard fluorescent lamps, such as
those in your office, home, or school, is not hazardous and does not
pose a major health concern. In fact, a paper by the National
Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA) explores this subject in
more detail. It cites a study in which it was determined that UV
exposure from sitting indoors under fluorescent lights at typical
office light levels for an eight hour workday is equivalent to just
over a minute of exposure to the sun in Washington, D.C. on a clear
day in July."

Source: http://www.gelighting.com/na/busines...aqs/health.htm

Cheers,
Paul

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:14:53 -0600, "Bob"
wrote:

This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg


With all due respect, Bob, the guy is, to put it politely,
ill-informed. Several of us have already pointed out here that
incandescent lamps will still be available after 2014 and that you
will *NOT* be required to use CFLs if your preference is to continue
using incandescent or halogen sources.

Cheers,
Paul

Paul M. Eldridge wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:29:38 GMT, Chuck wrote:

CFL's also emit UV. People that have Lupus, fibromyalgia, or Sjogrens
syndrome (auto-immune diseases) become very ill. Going into any store
with fluorescent lighting causes them a lot of discomfort.

Hi Chuck,

Note that incandescent lamps also emit UV; where this may be a
concern, halogen lamps with their hard (UV absorbing) glass
construction are a better choice and, in particular, those with
special UV coatings.

With respect to fluorescents and UV, here's what GE has to say:

"The amount of UV produced by standard fluorescent lamps, such as
those in your office, home, or school, is not hazardous and does not
pose a major health concern. In fact, a paper by the National
Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA) explores this subject in
more detail. It cites a study in which it was determined that UV
exposure from sitting indoors under fluorescent lights at typical
office light levels for an eight hour workday is equivalent to just
over a minute of exposure to the sun in Washington, D.C. on a clear
day in July."

Source: http://www.gelighting.com/na/busines...aqs/health.htm

Cheers,
Paul


I guess myself and several dozen folks that have auto-immune problems I
associate with are mistaken. We have all noticed that we turn beet red
and begin sweating after more then 15 minutes in a store or any building
that has uncovered fluorescent lighting. The same reason we all have to
wear sunblock everyday all day just to go outdoors.
The studies you mention are with normal folks that don't have
auto-immune problems. Just a minute of exposure to sun light, outdoors,
will put me in bed for a day. I am in Fl.
I thank you for your research but I can not agree with you or the people
that are pushing the CFL's Chuck

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:06:10 GMT, Chuck wrote:

Paul M. Eldridge wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:29:38 GMT, Chuck wrote:

CFL's also emit UV. People that have Lupus, fibromyalgia, or Sjogrens
syndrome (auto-immune diseases) become very ill. Going into any store
with fluorescent lighting causes them a lot of discomfort.

Hi Chuck,

Note that incandescent lamps also emit UV; where this may be a
concern, halogen lamps with their hard (UV absorbing) glass
construction are a better choice and, in particular, those with
special UV coatings.

With respect to fluorescents and UV, here's what GE has to say:

"The amount of UV produced by standard fluorescent lamps, such as
those in your office, home, or school, is not hazardous and does not
pose a major health concern. In fact, a paper by the National
Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA) explores this subject in
more detail. It cites a study in which it was determined that UV
exposure from sitting indoors under fluorescent lights at typical
office light levels for an eight hour workday is equivalent to just
over a minute of exposure to the sun in Washington, D.C. on a clear
day in July."

Source: http://www.gelighting.com/na/busines...aqs/health.htm

Cheers,
Paul


I guess myself and several dozen folks that have auto-immune problems I
associate with are mistaken. We have all noticed that we turn beet red
and begin sweating after more then 15 minutes in a store or any building
that has uncovered fluorescent lighting. The same reason we all have to
wear sunblock everyday all day just to go outdoors.
The studies you mention are with normal folks that don't have
auto-immune problems. Just a minute of exposure to sun light, outdoors,
will put me in bed for a day. I am in Fl.
I thank you for your research but I can not agree with you or the people
that are pushing the CFL's Chuck


Hi Chuck,

My comments were not intended to suggest linear fluorescent or CFL
lamps pose little or no risk to someone with a serious medical
condition such as your own; rather, it was to point out that
incandescent and to a somewhat lesser extent halogen lamps also emit
UV radiation and, consequently, those who are acutely sensitive to UV
radiation should still take the appropriate precautions when using
these sources -- in other words, incandescent lamps do not get a free
pass.

For the rest of us, the use of CFLs in a residential environment where
ambient light levels are typically one-tenth to one-twentieth that of
an office space and where our length of exposure may be one-third to
one-half that of a normal workday, we might be looking at the
equivalent of a two to three second exposure to daylight.

My apologies for any confusion.

Cheers,
Paul

Bob wrote:

This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg


ROTFL! What an *ss!

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CJT wrote:
Bob wrote:

This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg

ROTFL! What an *ss!


The bottom line is, do you want the government to dictate everything you
do from the time you flush your toilet (1.6 g.) in the morning to
putting out the cfl light at night? I like cfl's and figure led's will
supplant them as even more energy efficient and save me money. I just
don't want to be forced to use them.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:11:21 -0400, Frank
frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:

CJT wrote:
Bob wrote:

This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg

ROTFL! What an *ss!


The bottom line is, do you want the government to dictate everything you
do from the time you flush your toilet (1.6 g.) in the morning to
putting out the cfl light at night? I like cfl's and figure led's will
supplant them as even more energy efficient and save me money. I just
don't want to be forced to use them.

Hi Frank,

If this individual could at least check his facts and stop spouting
nonsense he wouldn't come across as such an idiot, or maybe I'm being
too kind.

Cheers,
Paul

In article ,
Chuck wrote:
Frank wrote:
Bob wrote:
This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg

What bugs me, as a retired chemist, is that fluorescent bulbs have
always contained mercury:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescent_lamp

Mercury toxicity depends on the chemical state it is in. The EPA advice
cited is just plain nuts to me.

I use CFL's for energy savings but I'm damned if I want congress to tell
me what to do and if I ever break one or throw it away, what I do with
it is my business.


CFL's also emit UV. People that have Lupus, fibromyalgia, or Sjogrens
syndrome (auto-immune diseases) become very ill. Going into any store
with fluorescent lighting causes them a lot of discomfort.

Fluorescents produce less UV than is present in a similar quantity of
daylight.

CFLs and other triphosphor fluorescents of higher color temperature
(3500 Kelvin and higher) produce even less UV, since the blue-emitting
phosphor component in those absorbs and utilizes much of the 365 nm
wavelength (unlike most other fluorescent lamp phosphors).

- Don Klipstein )

"Bob" wrote in message
...
This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg

this guy is a jerk. i hope he gets his ass thrown out of congress

"Bob" wrote in message
...
This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg

Yes He does, We need more people like this of office.
Well he sounds good at least.
Oh boy..............what a world anymore.
Tony

"Paul M. Eldridge" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:14:53 -0600, "Bob"
wrote:

This guy makes sense.

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg


With all due respect, Bob, the guy is, to put it politely,
ill-informed. Several of us have already pointed out here that
incandescent lamps will still be available after 2014 and that you
will *NOT* be required to use CFLs if your preference is to continue
using incandescent or halogen sources.

Oh well that cool then.
I live a sheltered life.
Tony

Cheers,
Paul