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Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the
brackets.

I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets.

Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the
shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip.

Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm.

Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto
the wall or doesn't it matter. The shelf will only hold a tuner amp and a 3
tray CD player side by side. Underneath the largest shelf will be my 28" old
style TV and the shelf will be about 4 inches above this.

Your help and suggestions most gratefully received.

Kindest regards,

Jim






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On Sep 25, 8:43*am, "the_constructor"
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Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the
brackets.

I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets.

Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the
shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip.

Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm.

Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto
the wall or doesn't it matter. The shelf will only hold a tuner amp and a 3
tray CD player side by side. Underneath the largest shelf will be my 28" old
style TV and the shelf will be about 4 inches above this.

Your help and suggestions most gratefully received.

Kindest regards,

Jim


either way works.
fwiw:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...ondon_Brackets


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the_constructor wrote:
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice
on the brackets.

I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets.

Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually
making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just
throw on the tip.
Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm.

Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the
bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter.


Longest bit on the wall is standard practice.


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk


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On Sep 25, 7:32*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
the_constructor wrote:
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice
on the brackets.


I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets.


Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually
making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just
throw on the tip.
Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm.


Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the
bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter.


Longest bit on the wall is standard practice.


Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the
shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the
same either way. But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I
tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes.


NT
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the_constructor wrote:
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice
on the brackets.

I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets.

Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually
making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just
throw on the tip.
Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm.

Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the
bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. The shelf will only hold
a tuner amp and a 3 tray CD player side by side. Underneath the
largest shelf will be my 28" old style TV and the shelf will be about
4 inches above this.
Your help and suggestions most gratefully received.

Kindest regards,

Jim


Jim.

Have you thought of the Spur Shelving system? This is a very strong,
adjustable system and if I recall correctly, brackets up to 450mm in length
were available when I last used this system.

See
http://www.spurshelving.co.uk/shop/s...FZoU4wod1Fyk2g

Cash




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NT wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
the_constructor wrote:
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice
on the brackets.


I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets.


Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually
making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just
throw on the tip.
Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm.


Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the
bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter.


Longest bit on the wall is standard practice.


Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the
shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the
same either way.


Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its trying to
pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes
sense surely?


But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I
tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes.


Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next grade up
is huge.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk


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On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:27:57 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the
bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter.

Longest bit on the wall is standard practice.


Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the
shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the
same either way.


Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its trying to
pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes
sense surely?


Most of the load is on the 2 top screws in to the wall, with the bottom of
the bracket acting as the fulcrum and the screw there is just to stop the
end from being misaligned by a long lever.
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Peter.
The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.
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On Sep 26, 12:27*am, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
NT wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
the_constructor wrote:
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice
on the brackets.


I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets.


Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually
making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just
throw on the tip.
Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm.


Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the
bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter.


Longest bit on the wall is standard practice.


Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the
shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the
same either way.


Can't see the logic in that. *The load isn't straight down, its trying to
pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes
sense surely?


If you look at how the bracket is trying to (not) fold under the
weight, its the same whichever way round you put it.


But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I
tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes.


Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next grade up
is huge.


it is. Its also worth it IME, large londons are very poor performers.
A much cheaper option is to use small londons, which cost verylittle,
plus vertical timber support bars at the shelf fronts.


NT
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"NT" wrote in message
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On Sep 26, 12:27 am, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
NT wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
the_constructor wrote:
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice
on the brackets.


I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets.


Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually
making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just
throw on the tip.
Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm.


Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the
bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter.


Longest bit on the wall is standard practice.


Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the
shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the
same either way.


Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its trying to
pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes
sense surely?


If you look at how the bracket is trying to (not) fold under the
weight, its the same whichever way round you put it.


But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I
tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes.


Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next grade
up
is huge.


it is. Its also worth it IME, large londons are very poor performers.
A much cheaper option is to use small londons, which cost verylittle,
plus vertical timber support bars at the shelf fronts.

It is not an option to use the support bars at the front.
FRollowing someone else's comments, I am now looking at the metal double
slotted strips that fit to the wall with the appropriate brackets

Jim


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the_constructor wrote:
"NT" wrote in message
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On Sep 26, 12:27 am, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
NT wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
the_constructor wrote:
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little
advice on the brackets.


I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets.


Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually
making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just
throw on the tip.
Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm.


Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the
bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter.


Longest bit on the wall is standard practice.


Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the
shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is
the same either way.


Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its
trying to pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on
the wall makes sense surely?


If you look at how the bracket is trying to (not) fold under the
weight, its the same whichever way round you put it.


But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I
tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes.


Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next
grade up
is huge.


it is. Its also worth it IME, large londons are very poor performers.
A much cheaper option is to use small londons, which cost verylittle,
plus vertical timber support bars at the shelf fronts.

It is not an option to use the support bars at the front.
FRollowing someone else's comments, I am now looking at the metal
double slotted strips that fit to the wall with the appropriate
brackets


Much better option, especially on plasterboard walls. You can get multiple
fixings in to spread the load.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk




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