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Shelf Brackets ?
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the
brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. The shelf will only hold a tuner amp and a 3 tray CD player side by side. Underneath the largest shelf will be my 28" old style TV and the shelf will be about 4 inches above this. Your help and suggestions most gratefully received. Kindest regards, Jim |
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On Sep 25, 8:43*am, "the_constructor"
wrote: Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. The shelf will only hold a tuner amp and a 3 tray CD player side by side. Underneath the largest shelf will be my 28" old style TV and the shelf will be about 4 inches above this. Your help and suggestions most gratefully received. Kindest regards, Jim either way works. fwiw: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...ondon_Brackets NT |
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the_constructor wrote:
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. Longest bit on the wall is standard practice. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On Sep 25, 7:32*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: the_constructor wrote: Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. Longest bit on the wall is standard practice. Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the same either way. But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes. NT |
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the_constructor wrote:
Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. The shelf will only hold a tuner amp and a 3 tray CD player side by side. Underneath the largest shelf will be my 28" old style TV and the shelf will be about 4 inches above this. Your help and suggestions most gratefully received. Kindest regards, Jim Jim. Have you thought of the Spur Shelving system? This is a very strong, adjustable system and if I recall correctly, brackets up to 450mm in length were available when I last used this system. See http://www.spurshelving.co.uk/shop/s...FZoU4wod1Fyk2g Cash |
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NT wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: the_constructor wrote: Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. Longest bit on the wall is standard practice. Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the same either way. Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its trying to pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes sense surely? But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes. Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next grade up is huge. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:27:57 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. Longest bit on the wall is standard practice. Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the same either way. Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its trying to pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes sense surely? Most of the load is on the 2 top screws in to the wall, with the bottom of the bracket acting as the fulcrum and the screw there is just to stop the end from being misaligned by a long lever. -- Peter. The head of a pin will hold more angels if it's been flattened with an angel-grinder. |
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On Sep 26, 12:27*am, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: NT wrote: On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: the_constructor wrote: Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. Longest bit on the wall is standard practice. Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the same either way. Can't see the logic in that. *The load isn't straight down, its trying to pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes sense surely? If you look at how the bracket is trying to (not) fold under the weight, its the same whichever way round you put it. But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes. Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next grade up is huge. it is. Its also worth it IME, large londons are very poor performers. A much cheaper option is to use small londons, which cost verylittle, plus vertical timber support bars at the shelf fronts. NT |
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"NT" wrote in message ... On Sep 26, 12:27 am, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: NT wrote: On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: the_constructor wrote: Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. Longest bit on the wall is standard practice. Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the same either way. Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its trying to pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes sense surely? If you look at how the bracket is trying to (not) fold under the weight, its the same whichever way round you put it. But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes. Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next grade up is huge. it is. Its also worth it IME, large londons are very poor performers. A much cheaper option is to use small londons, which cost verylittle, plus vertical timber support bars at the shelf fronts. It is not an option to use the support bars at the front. FRollowing someone else's comments, I am now looking at the metal double slotted strips that fit to the wall with the appropriate brackets Jim |
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the_constructor wrote:
"NT" wrote in message ... On Sep 26, 12:27 am, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: NT wrote: On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: the_constructor wrote: Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. Longest bit on the wall is standard practice. Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the same either way. Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its trying to pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes sense surely? If you look at how the bracket is trying to (not) fold under the weight, its the same whichever way round you put it. But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes. Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next grade up is huge. it is. Its also worth it IME, large londons are very poor performers. A much cheaper option is to use small londons, which cost verylittle, plus vertical timber support bars at the shelf fronts. It is not an option to use the support bars at the front. FRollowing someone else's comments, I am now looking at the metal double slotted strips that fit to the wall with the appropriate brackets Much better option, especially on plasterboard walls. You can get multiple fixings in to spread the load. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... the_constructor wrote: "NT" wrote in message ... On Sep 26, 12:27 am, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: NT wrote: On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: the_constructor wrote: Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. Longest bit on the wall is standard practice. Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the same either way. Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its trying to pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes sense surely? If you look at how the bracket is trying to (not) fold under the weight, its the same whichever way round you put it. But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes. Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next grade up is huge. it is. Its also worth it IME, large londons are very poor performers. A much cheaper option is to use small londons, which cost verylittle, plus vertical timber support bars at the shelf fronts. It is not an option to use the support bars at the front. FRollowing someone else's comments, I am now looking at the metal double slotted strips that fit to the wall with the appropriate brackets Much better option, especially on plasterboard walls. You can get multiple fixings in to spread the load. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk Best supplier, delivered ? |
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the_constructor wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... the_constructor wrote: "NT" wrote in message ... On Sep 26, 12:27 am, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: NT wrote: On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: the_constructor wrote: Putting some shelves up in my computer room and need a little advice on the brackets. I am thinking of getting the elcheapo London Shelf Brackets. Width of largest shelf is 400mm and the length is 600mm, actually making the shelves from an old table that I couldn't bear to just throw on the tip. Now the largest bracket that I can get is 350mm x 300mm. Question is, are you supposed to put the longest length of the bracket onto the wall or doesn't it matter. Longest bit on the wall is standard practice. Yes, resulting in choosing a bigger bracket generally. But when the shelf is bigger than the bracket either way round, the strength is the same either way. Can't see the logic in that. The load isn't straight down, its trying to pull the bracket away from the wall, so the longest bit on the wall makes sense surely? If you look at how the bracket is trying to (not) fold under the weight, its the same whichever way round you put it. But large londons are weak, so might not be enough. I tend to prefer something much tougher for the large sizes. Agreed, but the price difference between London brackets & the next grade up is huge. it is. Its also worth it IME, large londons are very poor performers. A much cheaper option is to use small londons, which cost verylittle, plus vertical timber support bars at the shelf fronts. It is not an option to use the support bars at the front. FRollowing someone else's comments, I am now looking at the metal double slotted strips that fit to the wall with the appropriate brackets Much better option, especially on plasterboard walls. You can get multiple fixings in to spread the load. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk Best supplier, delivered ? Slotted uprights or fixings? :-) I use the Wickes ones, not the el cheapo single slot, the heavy duty twin slot ones. Rawlplug Uno - best platerboard fixing I've ever used. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Check Ebay for "Spur" metal shelving brackets & double-hole strips.
They go in & out of fashion so can be very cheap, are well made, adjustable. You can get things like "book-ends" which are "functionally attractive", typically red, white, cream, perhaps brown. The cream is ok with "barley white", the white a little cold looking. The adjustability is very welcome vs fixed brackets. Ideally, if you can fix into a wall stud if plasterboard as with any brackets. |
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