I visited a service area on the motorway Thursday and Friday and while
drying my hands after washing them after a pee, a thought occured to me.

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Dave

Dave wrote:
I visited a service area on the motorway Thursday and Friday and while
drying my hands after washing them after a pee, a thought occured to
me.
Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

The reasons service areas use hot air dryers are because paper towels, which
most peope prefer, are simply a PITA. Not just the cost, but storage, the
re stocking of the dispensers and the problem of removing literally tons of
paper waste.

The paper towel industry have the larger guns, the producers are huge
multinationals compared to the relatively small hot air dryer manufacturers.

The paper guys have been trying to oust hot air dryers for years, using
smear campaigns claiming that hot air dryers are dermitalogically bad and
more so that they generate airbourne bacteria. They have used every trick
in the book to try & demonise the hot air dryer - and failed.

The only argument I've never heard is the embolism one. If there was the
slightest evidence, they would have jumped on it bigtime.

The air isn't especially high velocity, rather its hot & high flow. Or was
until the Dyson Airblade http://www.dysonairblade.co.uk/ which operates
with an air speed of 400 mph! Notice they use the airbourne bacteria
argument as well.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In article ,
The Medway Handyman wrote:

The air isn't especially high velocity, rather its hot & high flow. Or was
until the Dyson Airblade http://www.dysonairblade.co.uk/ which operates
with an air speed of 400 mph! Notice they use the airbourne bacteria
argument as well.

I really like the airblades and if I could afford/justify an airblade
at home, I'd buy one tomorow... However, they're about £600 ish last
time I enquired )-:

Gordon

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

No.

Nor can you catch VD from teacup handles.

Your face won't stay like that, if you pull a funny face and the wind
changes.

If you eat apple pips, a little tree will *not* grow inside you.

In article ,
"The Medway Handyman" writes:
Dave wrote:
I visited a service area on the motorway Thursday and Friday and while
drying my hands after washing them after a pee, a thought occured to
me.
Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

That thought crossed my mind too. Actually you can do it without
any cut if you blast compressed air at your skin -- it will go
through, which is one reason you should never use a compressed
air line to blow debris off your hands.

The reasons service areas use hot air dryers are because paper towels, which
most peope prefer, are simply a PITA. Not just the cost, but storage, the
re stocking of the dispensers and the problem of removing literally tons of
paper waste.

The paper towel industry have the larger guns, the producers are huge
multinationals compared to the relatively small hot air dryer manufacturers.

The paper guys have been trying to oust hot air dryers for years, using
smear campaigns claiming that hot air dryers are dermitalogically bad and
more so that they generate airbourne bacteria. They have used every trick
in the book to try & demonise the hot air dryer - and failed.

If you've ever opened one up which has been in public use for a
year or more, it is frankly a most disgusting sight, as no one
ever cleans out the insides. Normally I try to repair appliances
which break, but in two cases of these, I removed them very
carefully and placed straight in the bin, without disturburing
the contents. How harmful this debris is I can't comment on (I
doubt the bacteria would survive for long inside the machine),
but they sure are full of it, and you are blowing it on warm
damp hands.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

That thought crossed my mind too. Actually you can do it without
any cut if you blast compressed air at your skin -- it will go
through, which is one reason you should never use a compressed
air line to blow debris off your hands.

********.

No way can low pressure air cause an embolism via the hands.

A hypodermic syringe into a blood vessel can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embolism

And *high pressure* airlines can certainly be dangerous (although most
frequently for blowing something like swarf into your eye, or blowing
industrial contaminants/dusts into the air for you to breath - or
through *frequent close contact* with the lubricants in *industrial*
air causing skin problems).

Really high pressures such as diesel injector pumps can go through the
skin, as can certain very large industrial pressure washers.

But hot-air hand dryers are really, really not going to do it.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
I visited a service area on the motorway Thursday and Friday and while
drying my hands after washing them after a pee, a thought occured to me.

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I get
an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Dave

I thought this was going to be a very different story. Any motorway
services
I have been near have "special interest" groups stalking people and hiding
in
cubicles that need clearing out by staff/police all the time.
As for the hand dryer, unless it's 100+ PSI I doubt it would harm you.
Cover the cut up to stop infection.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Dave wrote:

I visited a service area on the motorway Thursday and Friday and while
drying my hands after washing them after a pee, a thought occured to
me.
Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Dave

Very unlikely, I should think!

However, whilst on the subject of hand driers . . .

I can never understand why there is such a wide variety in the effectiveness
of these devices. Some have a decent flow of air at the right temperature to
dry your hands quickly but most are *pathetic* - either having hardly any
airflow, or just having a blast of cold air. And that pre-supposes that the
sensor which detects the presence of your hands works without needing to
have your hands in one precise spot - which many don't! Obviously price
comes into it - but many are simply not fit for purpose. Is it really *that*
difficult to design something which actually *works* without costing an arm
and a leg. And do the people who purchase these things on behalf of the
toilet owners never try to *use* one before placing the order?

[In those rare places which provide both driers *and* paper towels, I find
that using a paper towel in the airstream from a drier usually works pretty
well].
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!

In article ,
RubberBiker writes:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

That thought crossed my mind too. Actually you can do it without
any cut if you blast compressed air at your skin -- it will go
through, which is one reason you should never use a compressed
air line to blow debris off your hands.

********.

No way can low pressure air cause an embolism via the hands.

A hypodermic syringe into a blood vessel can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embolism

And *high pressure* airlines can certainly be dangerous (although most
frequently for blowing something like swarf into your eye, or blowing
industrial contaminants/dusts into the air for you to breath - or
through *frequent close contact* with the lubricants in *industrial*
air causing skin problems).

Really high pressures such as diesel injector pumps can go through the
skin, as can certain very large industrial pressure washers.

But hot-air hand dryers are really, really not going to do it.

No one claimed they were.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"Gordon Henderson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Medway Handyman wrote:

The air isn't especially high velocity, rather its hot & high flow. Or
was
until the Dyson Airblade http://www.dysonairblade.co.uk/ which operates
with an air speed of 400 mph! Notice they use the airbourne bacteria
argument as well.

I really like the airblades and if I could afford/justify an airblade
at home, I'd buy one tomorow... However, they're about £600 ish last
time I enquired )-:


I'm not so impressed. I reckon their slogan should be "half as dry in half
the time"

"RubberBiker" wrote in message
...

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

No.

Nor can you catch VD from teacup handles.

Your face won't stay like that, if you pull a funny face and the wind
changes.

If you eat apple pips, a little tree will *not* grow inside you.

i dont know about vd but you can actually be infected from all sorts of
bacteria from handles, especially if you touch your mouth and eyes?

there have been cases of people stretching the face in some way and have had
acute muscle spasm!

there have been many cases of trees growing inside of people from seeds.

In article ,
OG wrote:

"Gordon Henderson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Medway Handyman wrote:

The air isn't especially high velocity, rather its hot & high flow. Or
was
until the Dyson Airblade http://www.dysonairblade.co.uk/ which operates
with an air speed of 400 mph! Notice they use the airbourne bacteria
argument as well.

I really like the airblades and if I could afford/justify an airblade
at home, I'd buy one tomorow... However, they're about £600 ish last
time I enquired )-:


I'm not so impressed. I reckon their slogan should be "half as dry in half
the time"

Most people I've seen pull their hands out too quickly. Give it the full
10 seconds they say. Count 10 elephants as you slowly pull your hands out.
Once I realised that, it's worked first time every time for me.

Gordon

Dave wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I get
an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Why on earth are you asking that question of a salesman?

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

That thought crossed my mind too. Actually you can do it without
any cut if you blast compressed air at your skin -- it will go
through,

Could you point a paper published in a peer-reviewed medical journal
which supports your view that compresed air (let alone high veloicty air
from a hand dryer) can cause an air embolism in such circumstances?

I've performed a reasonably diligent search for evidence to support the
claim and I can find none. I can find the possibility discussed, without
any references, on a Wikipedia page and I can find a reference to an air
embolism being cause by a high-speed cutting too which uses jets of
water powered by compressed air. However that incident actually occured
during surgery when the tool was being used to cut into a human liver.
That's a very different situation to using either a hair dryer or an
8-bar compressed air line.

There are hazards to blowing compressed air onto the skin, venous or
arterial air embolism is not one of them, as far as I can see. I wonder
if the people asserting that such an even is possible have mistaken an
embolism of the colon caused by compressed air for venous/aterial
embolism? An embolism of the colon is a known hazard of misuse of
industrial compressed air, and occurs usually when some idiot thinks it
would be funny to blow air up the arse of someone else.

Anyhow, since you have asserted that compressed air blown on th eskin
can cause an embolism I wonder if you could provide the soruce of your
information? Thanks.

there have been many cases of trees growing inside of people from seeds.

Oh go on, show me a reference to a *credible* source of medical
information on this - such as a medical journal.

On 23/08/2009 07:19 RubberBiker wrote:

If you eat apple pips, a little tree will *not* grow inside you.

Wrong! My Mum told me many times that that would happen and my Mum was
always right!

--
F

In message
,
RubberBiker writes

there have been many cases of trees growing inside of people from seeds.

Oh go on, show me a reference to a *credible* source of medical
information on this - such as a medical journal.



http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/PCU2226.php


--
geoff

Steve Firth wrote:
Dave wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I get
an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Why on earth are you asking that question of a salesman?

Because he has a daughter in the medical scene.

Dave

Steve Firth wrote:
Dave wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could
I get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Why on earth are you asking that question of a salesman?

I'm not a salesman anymore ****wit, I'm a handyman.

Apart from which I spent 30 + years in the cleaning industry and am a
British Institute of Cleaning Science instructor, so I know more than a
little about the cleaning & hygiene game.

I've also written the high pressure cleaner and carpet cleaning FAQ's for
the group. Thats called a positive contribution. Oh sorry, you wouldn't
understand what that was, having never made one.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Dave wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:
Dave wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could
I get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Why on earth are you asking that question of a salesman?

Because he has a daughter in the medical scene.

That as well.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message
,
RubberBiker writes

there have been many cases of trees growing inside of people from seeds.

Oh go on, show me a reference to a *credible* source of medical
information on this - such as a medical journal.



http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/PCU2226.php


--
geoff

Find a photo of a bloke washing his hands after having a **** in a MWay
service station and you might be onto something.

Adam

Dave wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:
Dave wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I get
an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Why on earth are you asking that question of a salesman?

Because he has a daughter in the medical scene.

AH right, so if you wantd a medical opinion you would ask someone whose
daughter was an ambulance driver it all makes sense now.

In article ,
(Steve Firth) writes:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

That thought crossed my mind too. Actually you can do it without
any cut if you blast compressed air at your skin -- it will go
through,

Could you point a paper published in a peer-reviewed medical journal
which supports your view that compresed air (let alone high veloicty air
from a hand dryer) can cause an air embolism in such circumstances?

I didn't mean to imply air in blood vessels -- I don't know what
the damage mechanism is when such air passes through the skin*.
I can tell you what it looks like - a really bad bruise, except it
took much longer to go than a normal bruise. A collegue at University
did it (messing around with a compressed air line in an engineering
workshop). The skin surface didn't appear to have been damaged, and
the bruise didn't appear immediately -- I think it appeared over
next couple of days and was visible on both sides of his hand,
and looked quite alarming. Workshop manager knew exactly what it was,
I presume from having seen it before. His GP gave him antibiotics as
a precaution against any infection which can apparently result.
He also got banned from the workshop, except for doing his physics
project (he was repairing his bike when the incident happened).
We had been warned not to do this during the workshop induction.

*If I was to guess now, I would guess the air got between tissues,
with sufficient pressure to tear them, resulting in bleeding
seeping back to the rear of the skin, and hence the bruising.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Dave wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Anyway, getting back to your question the answer is no, there's really
no chance of all of getting an embolism in those circumstances. A cut
that leaves you able to walk, talk, and wash your hands is going to be
a superficial wound in which the largest blood vessel to suffer damage
would be a capillary. No only that, but presuming that you are not at
the time bleeding like a stuck pig then the capillaries will have been
sealed by a clot. Even if you can't see a clot, each individual
capillary will have been sealed which is why you stopped bleeding.

Even if you're still bleeding, the chance of getting enough air through
a capillary to form an embolus is nil.

Still, if you prefer the opinion of an unqualified salesman based on
something that an ambulance driving relative may have told him[1] then
I'd go for the information source that you feel happy with. rolls
eyes.



[1] Because of course most families sit down together and share
information so that each member of the family is equally qualified. Why
I bet the subject of air embolus is rarely off the table in the Handyman
household.

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I didn't mean to imply air in blood vessels -- I don't know what
the damage mechanism is when such air passes through the skin*.
I can tell you what it looks like - a really bad bruise, except it
took much longer to go than a normal bruise.

Ah, righto, yes that isn't an embolus that's simply high pressure
injection damage. It's actually quite difficult to do, and from the
usual 8bar compressed air source it requires the air gun to be "dead
ended" on the skin. It is extremely serious and can lead to amputation
as a consequence of the immediate tissue damage or as a consequence of
gangrene.

It's odd, I see various anaecdotes about air guns causing embolus, but
never a paper in a peer-reviewed journal. There are many papers on high
pressure injection damage and that leads me to suspect that the embolus
claim is urban myth.

Although this isn't a scholarly article, it's a relatively sane and
sober discussion of the issues.

http://everything2.com/title/High+pr...jection+injury

And in this medical discussion of the consequences of HPI injuries it is
stated that injection of clean air or water usually has no other
consequence than immediate mechanical damage but injection of paint, oil
and grease can lead to amputation.

http://www.tripdatabase.com/spider.html?itemid=816462

Again, no mention of embolism as a consequence of air injection. And one
would have to ask why no soldier has died of air embolus after receiving
an air injection delivery of vaccine.

Steve Firth wrote:
Dave wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:
Dave wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers,
could I get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Why on earth are you asking that question of a salesman?

Because he has a daughter in the medical scene.

AH right, so if you wantd a medical opinion you would ask someone
whose daughter was an ambulance driver it all makes sense now.

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A paramedic.
Training level equal to a GP.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Steve Firth wrote:
Dave wrote:

Because of the high velocity of the air from the hand driers, could I
get an embolism through a cut on my hands?

Anyway, getting back to your question the answer is no, there's really
no chance of all of getting an embolism in those circumstances. A cut
that leaves you able to walk, talk, and wash your hands is going to be
a superficial wound in which the largest blood vessel to suffer damage
would be a capillary. No only that, but presuming that you are not at
the time bleeding like a stuck pig then the capillaries will have been
sealed by a clot. Even if you can't see a clot, each individual
capillary will have been sealed which is why you stopped bleeding.

Even if you're still bleeding, the chance of getting enough air through
a capillary to form an embolus is nil.

After all the posts on this, I understand that now. I originally asked
the question because the hand drier was rippling my skin and like lots
of others, who have worked with high pressure gasses (80 to 4,000 PSI),
I have always been told to be careful when near a stream of it. I have
no experience of what pressure and conditions could affect my health.

That last link about high pressures and pin holes was interesting. Once
again, when I started to work with high pressure hydaulics, I was told
not to put my hands close to any suspected leak, as it could cut me. The
pressure used was 270 Bar, about 4,000 PSI.

Still, if you prefer the opinion of an unqualified salesman based on
something that an ambulance driving relative may have told him[1] then
I'd go for the information source that you feel happy with. rolls
eyes.

Lets not bring that up on this ng. Personallities should not come into
what sounds like a stupid question. (There is no such thing as a stupid
question, by the way.) Look at how this thread has panned out. The group
is a source of great knowledge about all sorts of things other than DIY.
Let it always be.


Dave

The Medway Handyman wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:

AH right, so if you wantd a medical opinion you would ask someone
whose daughter was an ambulance driver it all makes sense now.

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A paramedic.
Training level equal to a GP.



A*GP what?
don't think the IHCD paramedic award would even get you on*the undergraduate
course to becoming a ?General Practitioner.
\0

Mark wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:

AH right, so if you wantd a medical opinion you would ask someone
whose daughter was an ambulance driver it all makes sense now.

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A
paramedic. Training level equal to a GP.



A GP what?
don't think the IHCD paramedic award would even get you on the
undergraduate course to becoming a ?General Practitioner.

Equal to, not the same as. Which is just as well, GP's are all but useless
in emergency situations.

The IHCD paramedic award isn't yet aproved anyway. However, two years
fastrack course with EMA & Sheffield University, three months intensive
training with LAS, starting as an EMT, progressing to EMT 1, then EMT 2,
then EMT 3 with yearly intervals between each, tough exams at every stage as
well as accessments, then an 8 week residential course, then 4 weeks in
theatre.

Then you have 'done your bag' as they say and become one of the 20% of
ambulance staff who are actually paramedics not EMT's.

Should you ever be in an emergency situation, you will be much better off
with a paramedic than a GP any day.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Mark wrote:

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A paramedic.

Ah sorry, "jumped up ambulance driver", better?

Training level equal to a GP.

Oh please, don't show your woeful lack of ignorance. No paramedic
completes a basic degree of five year's duration followed by two years
of post graduate foundation training, followed by three years of
speciality training examined at all levels before being declared fit to
practice.

To make such a claim shows what a gap there is between your
understanding and real life.

A GP what?
don't think the IHCD paramedic award would even get you on the undergraduate
course to becoming a ?General Practitioner.

Not even close to it. I find it risible that Handyman pops up in various
newsgroups where I post simply to snipe at me when he is capable of
publishing such utter drivel as this.

"RubberBiker" wrote in message
...

there have been many cases of trees growing inside of people from seeds.

Oh go on, show me a reference to a *credible* source of medical
information on this - such as a medical journal.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...Mans_Chest_ #

RubberBiker wrote:
there have been many cases of trees growing inside of people from seeds.

Oh go on, show me a reference to a *credible* source of medical
information on this - such as a medical journal.

Depends on the meaning of 'credible', but you could try this:

Surgeons Find Tree Growing Inside Man's Lung

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514955,00.html

--
Rod

"Mark" wrote in message
m...
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:

AH right, so if you wantd a medical opinion you would ask someone
whose daughter was an ambulance driver it all makes sense now.

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A paramedic.
Training level equal to a GP.



A GP what?
don't think the IHCD paramedic award would even get you on the
undergraduate
course to becoming a ?General Practitioner.

I wouldn't worry TMH doesn't have a clue.
Last time he started this argument he claimed that paramedics couldn't do
anything useful and were only there to meet arrival time targets for 999
calls.
Bets killfile him now before he gets abusive.

"Mark" wrote in message
m...
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:

AH right, so if you wantd a medical opinion you would ask someone
whose daughter was an ambulance driver it all makes sense now.

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A paramedic.
Training level equal to a GP.



A GP what?
don't think the IHCD paramedic award would even get you on the
undergraduate
course to becoming a ?General Practitioner.

GPs spend all day writing out sick notes for fat lazy *******s and looking
at snotty nosed kids. If a GP does see an ill patient then they refer them
to a consultant.

Adam

On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:43:24 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

A GP what?
don't think the IHCD paramedic award would even get you on the
undergraduate course to becoming a ?General Practitioner.

Equal to, not the same as. Which is just as well, GP's are all but useless
in emergency situations.

The IHCD paramedic award isn't yet aproved anyway. However, two years
fastrack course with EMA & Sheffield University, three months intensive
training with LAS, starting as an EMT, progressing to EMT 1, then EMT 2,
then EMT 3 with yearly intervals between each, tough exams at every stage as
well as accessments, then an 8 week residential course, then 4 weeks in
theatre.

Then you have 'done your bag' as they say and become one of the 20% of
ambulance staff who are actually paramedics not EMT's.

Should you ever be in an emergency situation, you will be much better off
with a paramedic than a GP any day.

Very true! My experience with GPs and even first aid isn't good - the
'nurse' (theatre sister) at work was v. good.
My last GF - an A&E doctor and FRCS - used to get a lift twixt Southampto
and Poole (with bike) in the back of an ambulance if the weather was bad.
She said that, in the event of an emergency call, she'd just get out, as
she couldn't do much more than the paramedics unless she had hospital
equipment.
--
Peter.
The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:56:24 GMT, ARWadsworth wrote:

"Mark" wrote in message
m...
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:

AH right, so if you wantd a medical opinion you would ask someone
whose daughter was an ambulance driver it all makes sense now.

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A paramedic.
Training level equal to a GP.



A GP what?
don't think the IHCD paramedic award would even get you on the
undergraduate
course to becoming a ?General Practitioner.

GPs spend all day writing out sick notes for fat lazy *******s and looking
at snotty nosed kids. If a GP does see an ill patient then they refer them
to a consultant.

Adam

They're lousy at diagnosis as well. Actually, an A&E doctor often has to
diagnose a lot without any input from the patient (bit like a vet).
--
Peter.
The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.

PeterC wrote:

Should you ever be in an emergency situation, you will be much better off
with a paramedic than a GP any day.

Very true! My experience with GPs and even first aid isn't good - the
'nurse' (theatre sister) at work was v. good.
My last GF - an A&E doctor and FRCS - used to get a lift twixt Southampto
and Poole (with bike) in the back of an ambulance if the weather was bad.
She said that, in the event of an emergency call, she'd just get out, as
she couldn't do much more than the paramedics unless she had hospital
equipment.

Oohhh, an emergency situation? Would that be handled by the application
of a first aid solution?

As usual I see that the ranting about paramedics (who learn just enough
to deal with a limited number of injuries) is obscuring the fact that
the medical training requirement for the father of a paramedic is nil.
Which, remarkably enough is also the same as the actual medical
knowledge of the father of a paramedic.

And I see that a statement that a doctor can do no more than a paramedic
at the scene of an accident is somehow being warped into a doctor can do
nothing. Sometimes I really wonder at the ability of the human race to
survive into the next decade, let alone the next century.

"PeterC" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:56:24 GMT, ARWadsworth wrote:

"Mark" wrote in message
m...
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:

AH right, so if you wantd a medical opinion you would ask someone
whose daughter was an ambulance driver it all makes sense now.

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A
paramedic.
Training level equal to a GP.



A GP what?
don't think the IHCD paramedic award would even get you on the
undergraduate
course to becoming a ?General Practitioner.

GPs spend all day writing out sick notes for fat lazy *******s and
looking
at snotty nosed kids. If a GP does see an ill patient then they refer
them
to a consultant.

Adam

They're lousy at diagnosis as well. Actually, an A&E doctor often has to
diagnose a lot without any input from the patient (bit like a vet).
--
Peter.

I know what the doctors have to put up with.

I was changing some light fittings at a GPs surgery and I was working near
the prescription desk. A gormless looking bloke approached the desk and was
asked "What name?". He gave his name but no prescription existed with that
name. After 10 minutes of phone calls and questions about which GP he used
etc the fool volunteered the information that the prescription was for his
girlfriend.

Adam

dennis@home wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
m...
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:

AH right, so if you wantd a medical opinion you would ask someone
whose daughter was an ambulance driver it all makes sense now.

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A
paramedic. Training level equal to a GP.



A GP what?
don't think the IHCD paramedic award would even get you on the
undergraduate
course to becoming a ?General Practitioner.

I wouldn't worry TMH doesn't have a clue.
Last time he started this argument he claimed that paramedics
couldn't do anything useful and were only there to meet arrival time
targets for 999 calls.

Typical of your complete inability to read a post properly ****.

Bets killfile him now before he gets abusive.

Back to your padded cell halfwit.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Steve Firth wrote:
Mark wrote:

Not an ambulance driver ****wit, they do patient transport. A
paramedic.

Ah sorry, "jumped up ambulance driver", better?

Typical of you to make such a disrespectful remark about a bunch of highly
trained dedicated people who save lives on a daily basis.

Training level equal to a GP.

Oh please, don't show your woeful lack of ignorance. No paramedic
completes a basic degree of five year's duration followed by two years
of post graduate foundation training, followed by three years of
speciality training examined at all levels before being declared fit
to practice.

Ands what would you know about it ****wit? Nothing. Its not my opinion,
its that of LAS trainers.

Not even close to it. I find it risible that Handyman pops up in
various newsgroups where I post simply to snipe at me when he is
capable of publishing such utter drivel as this.

I don't frequent newsgroups to snipe at you ****wit. Translation of 'snipe'
"anyone with an opinion that differs from ****wit Firths".

Sniping at you is almost a national sport on the Internet, I especially like
the post headed 'Steve Firth Tee Shirts giving a link to
http://rlv.zcache.com/mr_know_it_all...49trlf_400.jpg


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk