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Panasonic upright cleaner now back in business! Next, the Hoover PurePower
I've fitted the new thermal fuse and bingo! It works again. Now for
the Hoover PurePower 1900w. However, the cut-out on the Hoover is different in that the thing cuts out, then you leave it for two to three minutes and it will start again. The time until cut-out gets shorter and shorter. The Panasonic's fuse OTOH was a one-time "blow", never to work again, which figured, as it gave no warning at all when it stopped working. So, my question, before I start dismantling the Hoover: will the thermal fuse look similar to the Panaonic's e.g. one of these: http://images.asia.ru/img/alibaba/ph...ermal_fuse.jpg or will it be a different shape? Will it be an inline thing in the brown cable like on the Pansonic, or a little black box with connectors? By the way, the repair for the Panasonic cost me 69p for the fuse and £1.29 for a 10x packet of crimp-on butt connectors, 9 of which I've got left. MM |
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Panasonic upright cleaner now back in business! Next, the Hoover PurePower
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MM wrote: 've fitted the new thermal fuse and bingo! It works again. Now for the Hoover PurePower 1900w. However, the cut-out on the Hoover is different in that the thing cuts out, then you leave it for two to three minutes and it will start again. The time until cut-out gets shorter and shorter. A re-setting one. I had a Plasplugs tile cutter that did that. Don't think any series wound motor can cope with continuous use - unless very well cooled. The Panasonic's fuse OTOH was a one-time "blow", never to work again, which figured, as it gave no warning at all when it stopped working. So, my question, before I start dismantling the Hoover: will the thermal fuse look similar to the Panaonic's e.g. one of these: http://images.asia.ru/img/alibaba/ph...ermal_fuse.jpg or will it be a different shape? Will it be an inline thing in the brown cable like on the Pansonic, or a little black box with connectors? Probably quite a bit larger. But of course it may be tripping for a reason. Make sure a bearing hasn't seized, etc, and that the motor cooling hasn't got blocked. By the way, the repair for the Panasonic cost me 69p for the fuse and £1.29 for a 10x packet of crimp-on butt connectors, 9 of which I've got left. It gives you a nice warm feeling. Especially when a Maplin shop actually stocks some components. ;-) -- *'ome is where you 'ang your @ * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Panasonic upright cleaner now back in business! Next, the Hoover PurePower
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MM writes: I've fitted the new thermal fuse and bingo! It works again. Now for the Hoover PurePower 1900w. However, the cut-out on the Hoover is different in that the thing cuts out, then you leave it for two to three minutes and it will start again. The time until cut-out gets shorter and shorter. The Panasonic's fuse OTOH was a one-time "blow", never to work again, which figured, as it gave no warning at all when it stopped working. The thermal fuses tripping are normally symptoms of another problem. Did you identify what the original problem was? So, my question, before I start dismantling the Hoover: will the thermal fuse look similar to the Panaonic's e.g. one of these: http://images.asia.ru/img/alibaba/ph...ermal_fuse.jpg No. Might look like http://cpc.farnell.com/productimages...d/42419936.jpg but there are other styles. However, you should be fixing whatever is causing the overheating. It sounds like the thermal switch is working fine. (These ones can go wrong and develop contact resistance which self-heats them, but that's not what I would assume to start with.) More likely faults are reduced air-flow (hence insufficient cooling) caused by blocked airway or filters, motor bearing over-heating, motor winding shorted and overheating (often caused initially by over-heating due to reduced air-flow). -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Panasonic upright cleaner now back in business! Next, the Hoover PurePower
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wrote I've fitted the new thermal fuse and bingo! It works again. Now for the Hoover PurePower 1900w. However, the cut-out on the Hoover is different in that the thing cuts out, then you leave it for two to three minutes and it will start again. The time until cut-out gets shorter and shorter. The Panasonic's fuse OTOH was a one-time "blow", never to work again, which figured, as it gave no warning at all when it stopped working. So, my question, before I start dismantling the Hoover: will the thermal fuse look similar to the Panaonic's e.g. one of these: http://images.asia.ru/img/alibaba/ph...ermal_fuse.jpg It's probably not the thermal fuse/cut-out which is working correctly. The cut-out will be mechanically fixed to something that is getting too hot. Switch the appliance off for a couple of minutes the faulty item will cool down to the threshold point below which the correctly working cut-out kicks back in. The faulty item will still be very hot and it will not take much to heat it to the upper temperature threshold point of the cut-out again. Assuming no problems such as shorted windings, it may be that on dismantling the Hoover you may find an accumulation of dust or lint restricting airflow to something that is normally cooled in a forced airflow. or will it be a different shape? Will it be an inline thing in the brown cable like on the Pansonic, or a little black box with connectors? It may be something like a thermal switch http://cpc.farnell.com/honest-well/t...switch-no-90-c /dp/SW03183?MER=e-bb45-00001002 -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , MM writes: I've fitted the new thermal fuse and bingo! It works again. Now for the Hoover PurePower 1900w. However, the cut-out on the Hoover is different in that the thing cuts out, then you leave it for two to three minutes and it will start again. The time until cut-out gets shorter and shorter. The Panasonic's fuse OTOH was a one-time "blow", never to work again, which figured, as it gave no warning at all when it stopped working. The thermal fuses tripping are normally symptoms of another problem. Did you identify what the original problem was? Pure age can be another. I've had a few go on items like chip fryers where there hasn't been any over temperature. |
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Panasonic upright cleaner now back in business! Next, the Hoover PurePower
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:21:17 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , MM wrote: 've fitted the new thermal fuse and bingo! It works again. Now for the Hoover PurePower 1900w. However, the cut-out on the Hoover is different in that the thing cuts out, then you leave it for two to three minutes and it will start again. The time until cut-out gets shorter and shorter. A re-setting one. I had a Plasplugs tile cutter that did that. Don't think any series wound motor can cope with continuous use - unless very well cooled. The Panasonic's fuse OTOH was a one-time "blow", never to work again, which figured, as it gave no warning at all when it stopped working. So, my question, before I start dismantling the Hoover: will the thermal fuse look similar to the Panaonic's e.g. one of these: http://images.asia.ru/img/alibaba/ph...ermal_fuse.jpg or will it be a different shape? Will it be an inline thing in the brown cable like on the Pansonic, or a little black box with connectors? Probably quite a bit larger. But of course it may be tripping for a reason. Make sure a bearing hasn't seized, etc, and that the motor cooling hasn't got blocked. I completely dismantled the motor and housing etc. There WAS a fair bit of carpet fluff in the impeller part of the motor, but on reassembling everything after a thorough clean the cutting out still occurs. MM |
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Panasonic upright cleaner now back in business! Next, the Hoover PurePower
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MM writes: Not until I dismantled the motor and housing. The impeller part of the motor (inside the big round mounting boss) was stuffed full of carpet fluff. I had to use tweezers to prise some of it out. However, after a thorough clean and reassembly, the cutting out still occurs. Does the motor spin freely by hand (or are bearings stiff)? Does motor slow down before cutting out? That can be caused by windings which have been damaged by overheating and start shorting out. Could also be knackered brushes, although failure symptoms are usually a bit different. Having now dismantled the machine I have not found ANYthing that could be a thermal fuse, at least, not at the motor end. Inside the handle there is a small PCB (approx 50mm x 40mm) to which the cables to and from the switch are connected. The PCB has what looks like a capacitor, since it's marked uF. It is yellow, rectangular, about 20mm x 15 x 5. Probably interferance suppressor. There is also a resistor and what looks like a voltage regulator. Could the thermal protection be an integral part of the motor? Yes. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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