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yale lock problem
If I shut my front door a bit too hard the lever inside the lock detaches
and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in. Does this mean I cut the lever too small? It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the groove. Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes onto the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become distorted. Can I buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock? Cheers for any help! Its the 60mm one 4th down on this page http://www.diytools.co.uk/diy/Main/s...sp?iBrandID=72 |
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"Jim E" wrote in message o.uk... If I shut my front door a bit too hard the lever inside the lock detaches and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in. Does this mean I cut the lever too small? It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the groove. It sounds as though you have cut the operating bar too short. It does just slide into the slot, but it should also be able to go a fair way inside the lock. The easiest way to judge how much to cut off is to put the cylinder on the door, slide the lock over the bar until it stops, then measure the gap between the lock and the door. Cut that much, plus about a millimetre, off the end of the operating bar. Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes onto the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become distorted. Can I buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock? A proper locksmith may be able to sell you one. Colin Bignell |
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"nightjar.me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Jim E" wrote in message o.uk... If I shut my front door a bit too hard the lever inside the lock detaches and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in. Does this mean I cut the lever too small? It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the groove. It sounds as though you have cut the operating bar too short. It does just slide into the slot, but it should also be able to go a fair way inside the lock. The easiest way to judge how much to cut off is to put the cylinder on the door, slide the lock over the bar until it stops, then measure the gap between the lock and the door. Cut that much, plus about a millimetre, off the end of the operating bar. Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes onto the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become distorted. Can I buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock? A proper locksmith may be able to sell you one. Colin Bignell For at least some of these, the operating bar as described by Colin will unclip from the lock (the key-side) if you wiggle it correctly. So you might get away with changing the bar, not the whole lock. If it's just a standard Yale-type lock with a night-latch on the inside each "side" costs about a fiver from Screwfix or a decent hardware shop. |
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If I shut my front door a bit too hard the lever inside the lock detaches and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in. Does this mean I cut the lever too small? It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the groove. Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes onto the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become distorted. Can I buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock? Cheers for any help! Its the 60mm one 4th down on this page http://www.diytools.co.uk/diy/Main/s...sp?iBrandID=72 What Colin says. On your lock the connecting bar can be really long without any problem, because any excess disappears into the handle. Even a genuine Yale 1109 cylinder does not have a replacement mounting plate these days. Just Ebay search for "rim cylinder" and pick one that has the mounting plate included. There are currently some ERA ones for 3.99. You can either change the cylinder or just use the plate. |
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Jim E wrote:
If I shut my front door a bit too hard the lever inside the lock detaches and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in. Does this mean I cut the lever too small? Sounds like it to me. It wants to be a long as possible. It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the groove. It just sits in place - as long as its long enough. Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes onto the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become distorted. Can I buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock? Not sure what you mean, but if its the flat metal pressing that the screws securing the front go through, then I'd just change the whole bloody thing. Don't buy a cheap one, spend the £30 + on a proper Yale or ERA. The local Uni where I do the maintenance on the student halls has three accommodation blocks (8 locks per block) with el cheapo (£7 each) rim locks - the 'yoke' inside distorts with repeated use/slamming resulting in the door not latching properly. I change about three a month. The other three blocks (also 8 locks per block) have genuine Yales & I've never changed one. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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"Jim E" wrote in message ... "The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... Jim E wrote: If I shut my front door a bit too hard the lever inside the lock detaches and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in. Does this mean I cut the lever too small? Sounds like it to me. It wants to be a long as possible. It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the groove. It just sits in place - as long as its long enough. Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes onto the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become distorted. Can I buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock? Not sure what you mean, but if its the flat metal pressing that the screws securing the front go through, then I'd just change the whole bloody thing. Don't buy a cheap one, spend the £30 + on a proper Yale or ERA. The local Uni where I do the maintenance on the student halls has three accommodation blocks (8 locks per block) with el cheapo (£7 each) rim locks - the 'yoke' inside distorts with repeated use/slamming resulting in the door not latching properly. I change about three a month. The other three blocks (also 8 locks per block) have genuine Yales & I've never changed one. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk Thanks for the help guys. The plate I need is the one on the back of the door which the actual latch attaches to. It has 2 lugs for the screws. It has nothing to do with the barrel so a new barrel is no use except it will give me the longer lock lever. The part I need is for the actual housing of the lock on the inside. Anyone know what this is called? Yale are sending me one free. Superb service! |
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from "The Medway Handyman" contains these words: Don't buy a cheap one, spend the £30 + on a proper Yale or ERA. Sadly, there are a lot of night latches sold under the Yale brand name which are absolute rubbish. I have a couple here which have been subjected only to minor domestic use and on which the thumb-slide has failed -- and been replaced by a bolt, couple of nuts and a couple of washers. |
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"Jim E" wrote in message o.uk... If I shut my front door a bit too hard the lever inside the lock detaches and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in. Does this mean I cut the lever too small? It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the groove. Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes onto the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become distorted. Can I buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock? Cheers for any help! Its the 60mm one 4th down on this page http://www.diytools.co.uk/diy/Main/s...sp?iBrandID=72 A locksmith will have any amount of these bits lying around, I would be happy to help you out for free if asked. |
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