Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt you
can buy this model.

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder bit ?
and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ? as all the hole is
drilled out and chiseling is done so just put a new one in easily ?

No idea about this sort of thing as I've never done it before so seeking
some advice from you diy doctors

Thanks

In article ,
"Sarah" writes:
Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt you
can buy this model.

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder bit ?
and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

If you mean replace the external cylinder, then yes, they are
sold separately. The key then won't match any key lock you have
on the inside latch.

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ? as all the hole is
drilled out and chiseling is done so just put a new one in easily ?

New one should fit the old hole and lock unless is was non-standard.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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Sarah wrote:
Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt you
can buy this model.

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder bit ?
and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ? as all the hole is
drilled out and chiseling is done so just put a new one in easily ?

No idea about this sort of thing as I've never done it before so seeking
some advice from you diy doctors

Thanks



If the old "Yale" is the only lock on the door and you have had one
attempted break in I would get a proper lock. Police crime prevention
should be able to advise.
If your back door is only secured by an old lock make sure that does not
say 2 lever on it.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:27:01 UTC, "Sarah" wrote:

Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt you
can buy this model.

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder bit ?
and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ? as all the hole is
drilled out and chiseling is done so just put a new one in easily ?

No idea about this sort of thing as I've never done it before so seeking
some advice from you diy doctors

Should be able to get a complete replacement lock, although the cylinder
will be available too. Locks come in a few different measurements, the
distance from the centre of the big hole to the edge of the door.

Get a security Yale, with automatic deadlock and anti-tamper pins. Much
more secure.

What does your insurance company specify? If they say 5-lever mortice,
the security Yales are often acceptable - but check.

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Sarah wrote:
Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt you
can buy this model.


Our Yale lock is over 35 years old, and due to a snatched handbag - we
had the insurance companies locksmith* around to change the locks. The
chap that came managed to change the cylinder - left the rest of the
lock as it is. Five minute very neat job for him, £50 excess for us.
However, it's also backed up by a dead lock on another part of the door
which he also changed, together with many euro locks elsewhere.

* BTW The days of phoning around yellow pages for a locksmith, getting
an insurance quote and faffing around with the insurance company are
gone. We just phoned the building insurance company (Esure in this case)
and let them sort it out! However, it's the motor insurance to get the
car locks changed after bag theft, excesses are more, and garage costs
to do the lock change job are astronomical - we decided it's perhaps
cheaper to write the car off if it goes missing one day ....

Anywhere there is the possibility that keys and bag are probably down a
ditch or drain somewhere. Cash and (now cancelled) cards are not :-(

--
Adrian C

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:27:01 +0100, Sarah wrote:

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder
bit ? and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Yes, the cylinders are available separately. Fitting is simple remove the
existing latch, normally two or three screws in the jamb. The cylinder is
held in place by a couple of thin cheese headed screws either side of the
blade that sticks out through a hole in the latch mounting plate (or
smaller, separate, mounting plate screwed to the door). The new cylinder
will have a long blade that needs trimming to length, they have little
nicks ever 5mm or so these days that you can bend it at with a pair of
pliers and break at the appropriate length, don't make it to short! Fit
new cylinder and replace latch, job done.

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ?

Not a lot in it, the biggest criteria on getting a new lock would on
security. Can the old one be dead locked or would a thin strong sheet
pushed through the jam push the latch back? If it can't be dead locked get
a whole new dead locking latch and cylinder.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:27:01 UTC, "Sarah" wrote:

Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt
you
can buy this model.

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder bit
?
and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ? as all the hole
is
drilled out and chiseling is done so just put a new one in easily ?

No idea about this sort of thing as I've never done it before so seeking
some advice from you diy doctors

Should be able to get a complete replacement lock, although the cylinder
will be available too. Locks come in a few different measurements, the
distance from the centre of the big hole to the edge of the door.

IME the only reason for buying a new cylinder is to avoid the hassle of
fitting a new lock.

The difference in price between the cylinder and the whole lock is tiny.

tim

On Jul 27, 1:45*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:27:01 +0100, Sarah wrote:

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder
bit ? and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Yes, the cylinders are available separately. Fitting is simple remove the
existing latch, normally two or three screws in the jamb. The cylinder is
held in place by a couple of thin cheese headed screws either side of the
blade that sticks out through a hole in the latch mounting plate (or
smaller, separate, mounting plate screwed to the door). The new cylinder
will have a long blade that needs trimming to length, they have little
nicks ever 5mm or so these days that you can bend it at with a pair of
pliers and break at the appropriate length, don't make it to short! Fit
new cylinder and replace latch, job done.

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ?

Not a lot in it, the biggest criteria on getting a new lock would on
security. Can the old one be dead locked or would a thin strong sheet
pushed through the jam push the latch back? If it can't be dead locked get
a whole new dead locking latch and cylinder.

Dave's more or less covered it all. Just to add:
1. A yale on its own is very insecure - best option is an additional 5
lever lock
2. Replacement cylinders are only £2 unhardened, £3 hardened -
definitely get hardened for exterior use.
3. Deadlocking yale type about £15 for a nice one iirc, but the
distance from door edge to barrel centre might be different - check
this if you dont want to do carpentry.
4. Look at what the bit of the lock on the frame's attached to, if its
just 2 screws into the wood then even a child could open it. Drill all
the way into the masonry to fix it sensibly.


NT

On Jul 27, 3:28*pm, wrote:
On Jul 27, 1:45*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:27:01 +0100, Sarah wrote:
Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder
bit ? and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Yes, the cylinders are available separately. Fitting is simple remove the
existing latch, normally two or three screws in the jamb. The cylinder is
held in place by a couple of thin cheese headed screws either side of the
blade that sticks out through a hole in the latch mounting plate (or
smaller, separate, mounting plate screwed to the door). The new cylinder
will have a long blade that needs trimming to length, they have little
nicks ever 5mm or so these days that you can bend it at with a pair of
pliers and break at the appropriate length, don't make it to short! Fit
new cylinder and replace latch, job done.

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ?

Not a lot in it, the biggest criteria on getting a new lock would on
security. Can the old one be dead locked or would a thin strong sheet
pushed through the jam push the latch back? If it can't be dead locked get
a whole new dead locking latch and cylinder.

Dave's more or less covered it all. Just to add:
1. A yale on its own is very insecure - best option is an additional 5
lever lock
2. Replacement cylinders are only £2 unhardened, £3 hardened -
definitely get hardened for exterior use.
3. Deadlocking yale type about £15 for a nice one iirc, but the
distance from door edge to barrel centre might be different - check
this if you dont want to do carpentry.
4. Look at what the bit of the lock on the frame's attached to, if its
just 2 screws into the wood then even a child could open it. Drill all
the way into the masonry to fix it sensibly.

NT

oh one last thing - the screws that hold the lock cylinder in are
intended to be cut to length - never try to snap them, theyre soft and
will bend, ruining them instantly. Always cut em (hacksaw if nothing
better).


NT

"Sarah" wrote in message
...
Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt
you can buy this model.

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder bit
? and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ? as all the hole
is drilled out and chiseling is done so just put a new one in easily ?

No idea about this sort of thing as I've never done it before so seeking
some advice from you diy doctors


For insurance purposes you should fit a BS rim lock such as a Yale PBS1 or
PBS2 (depending in which size your existing lock is).
If you already have a mortice lock as well as the existing yale leave the
yale alone and make sure the mortice lock (and any other external locks) are
5 lever BS rated.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:00:45 +0100, tim..... wrote:

The difference in price between the cylinder and the whole lock is tiny.

Not for a traditional Yale cylinder (£10) v new BS night latch and
cylinder (approx £40).

Eurolocks are different and the lock and cylinders are priced similary.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Invisible Man" wrote in message
...
Sarah wrote:
Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt
you can buy this model.

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder bit
? and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ? as all the hole
is drilled out and chiseling is done so just put a new one in easily ?

No idea about this sort of thing as I've never done it before so seeking
some advice from you diy doctors

Thanks

If the old "Yale" is the only lock on the door and you have had one
attempted break in I would get a proper lock. Police crime prevention
should be able to advise.
If your back door is only secured by an old lock make sure that does not
say 2 lever on it.

Theres the yale lock and a mortice lock.

I have a chain on it to.

"tim....." wrote in message
...

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:27:01 UTC, "Sarah" wrote:

Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the
Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt
you
can buy this model.

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder
bit ?
and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ? as all the
hole is
drilled out and chiseling is done so just put a new one in easily ?

No idea about this sort of thing as I've never done it before so seeking
some advice from you diy doctors

Should be able to get a complete replacement lock, although the cylinder
will be available too. Locks come in a few different measurements, the
distance from the centre of the big hole to the edge of the door.

IME the only reason for buying a new cylinder is to avoid the hassle of
fitting a new lock.

The difference in price between the cylinder and the whole lock is tiny.

tim





I thought it would be cheaper and as theres nothing wrong with the old body
of the lock. But it oculd be a good opportuinity to put a better lock on.

"Scabbydug" wrote in message
...

"Sarah" wrote in message
...
Some berk decided to try and break into out home and has damaged the Yale
lock the cyclinder part you put the key in. Its quite old now so I doubt
you can buy this model.

Now can I just go to B&Q or somewhere like that and buy the cyclinder bit
? and fit it into the lock bit on the inside of the door ?

Or does it need a total new lock, which might be easier ? as all the hole
is drilled out and chiseling is done so just put a new one in easily ?

No idea about this sort of thing as I've never done it before so seeking
some advice from you diy doctors


For insurance purposes you should fit a BS rim lock such as a Yale PBS1 or
PBS2 (depending in which size your existing lock is).
If you already have a mortice lock as well as the existing yale leave the
yale alone and make sure the mortice lock (and any other external locks)
are 5 lever BS rated.


Thanks to everyone for the advice. I'll pop into the local B7q or
locksmiths for the lock.