We're thinking of converting a walk-in pantry off the kitchen into a
downstairs toilet.

In the belief that you can't have access to a toilet from a kitchen, the
idea is to put a studded partition across the pantry around a foot in
from the door and hang shelves from it. Behind the partition would be
the new toilet with access through a door newly installed in the
hallway/pantry wall. Drainage would be through the wall opposite the new
door and into an existing cast iron toilet downpipe which runs down the
inside wall of the garage.

I'm sure that all of this would need building regs permission (but not
planning regs) but I'm being told that I'm wrong and no permissions are
needed. Can we really go ahead with this with no permissions?

TIA

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F

In message , F
writes
We're thinking of converting a walk-in pantry off the kitchen into a
downstairs toilet.

In the belief that you can't have access to a toilet from a kitchen,
the idea is to put a studded partition across the pantry around a foot
in from the door and hang shelves from it. Behind the partition would
be the new toilet with access through a door newly installed in the
hallway/pantry wall. Drainage would be through the wall opposite the
new door and into an existing cast iron toilet downpipe which runs down
the inside wall of the garage.

I'm sure that all of this would need building regs permission (but not
planning regs) but I'm being told that I'm wrong and no permissions are
needed. Can we really go ahead with this with no permissions?

I think you need two doors between the kitchen and the toilet

--
geoff

F wrote:
We're thinking of converting a walk-in pantry off the kitchen into a
downstairs toilet.

In the belief that you can't have access to a toilet from a kitchen,
the idea is to put a studded partition across the pantry around a
foot in from the door and hang shelves from it. Behind the partition
would be the new toilet with access through a door newly installed in
the hallway/pantry wall. Drainage would be through the wall opposite
the new door and into an existing cast iron toilet downpipe which
runs down the inside wall of the garage.

I'm sure that all of this would need building regs permission (but not
planning regs) but I'm being told that I'm wrong and no permissions
are needed. Can we really go ahead with this with no permissions?

TIA

F,

You will need building control approval as a number of operations will have
to comply with the building regulations - and as the alterations are wholly
internal, then planning permission generally would not be required.

To get accurate information, I would suggest that you contact the Building
Control Department of your local council and ask them what permissions are
required - and the costs of them.

As you have stated that you have been "told that I'm wrong and no
permissions are needed" - could you tell the group where that information
came from please - i.e. a professional or amateur source?

Cash

wrote:
On 2 Jun,
geoff wrote:

In message , F
writes
We're thinking of converting a walk-in pantry off the kitchen into a
downstairs toilet.

In the belief that you can't have access to a toilet from a kitchen,
the idea is to put a studded partition across the pantry around a foot
in from the door and hang shelves from it. Behind the partition would
be the new toilet with access through a door newly installed in the
hallway/pantry wall. Drainage would be through the wall opposite the
new door and into an existing cast iron toilet downpipe which runs down
the inside wall of the garage.

I'm sure that all of this would need building regs permission (but not
planning regs) but I'm being told that I'm wrong and no permissions are
needed. Can we really go ahead with this with no permissions?

I think you need two doors between the kitchen and the toilet

I think that is no longer necessary. The requirement is that hand washing
facilities are needed between the bog and kitchen -- could be in the bog
(not pan!).

I think it still is required. Along with local washing facilities.


Does anyone else remember that memorable folk song about various
girlfriends:

'but she took the dishes out first'
;-)

On 02/06/2009 23:55 Cash wrote:

As you have stated that you have been "told that I'm wrong and no
permissions are needed" - could you tell the group where that information
came from please - i.e. a professional or amateur source?

An amateur...

--
F

geoff wrote:
In message , F
writes
We're thinking of converting a walk-in pantry off the kitchen into a
downstairs toilet.

In the belief that you can't have access to a toilet from a kitchen,
the idea is to put a studded partition across the pantry around a
foot in from the door and hang shelves from it. Behind the partition
would be the new toilet with access through a door newly installed
in the hallway/pantry wall. Drainage would be through the wall
opposite the new door and into an existing cast iron toilet downpipe
which runs down the inside wall of the garage.

I'm sure that all of this would need building regs permission (but
not planning regs) but I'm being told that I'm wrong and no
permissions are needed. Can we really go ahead with this with no
permissions?
I think you need two doors between the kitchen and the toilet

I thought that as well, but working in a house with a brand new kitchen
extension recently I found the bog directly accessable from the kitchen.
Owner mentioned the hand wash thingy. BCO approved it apparently, but needs
to be checked out by the OP with his local dept.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 3 June, 00:58, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
wrote:
On 2 Jun, *
* * *geoff wrote:

In message , F
writes
We're thinking of converting a walk-in pantry off the kitchen into a
downstairs toilet.

In the belief that you can't have access to a toilet from a kitchen,
the idea is to put a studded partition across the pantry around a foot
in from the door and hang shelves from it. Behind the partition would
be the new toilet with access through a door newly installed in the
hallway/pantry wall. Drainage would be through the wall opposite the
new door and into an existing cast iron toilet downpipe which runs down
the inside wall of the garage.

I'm sure that all of this would need building regs permission (but not
planning regs) but I'm being told that I'm wrong and no permissions are
needed. Can we really go ahead with this with no permissions?

I think you need two doors between the kitchen and the toilet

I think that is no longer necessary. The requirement is that hand washing
facilities are needed between the bog and kitchen -- could be in the bog
(not pan!).

I think it still is required. Along with local washing facilities.

Does anyone else remember that memorable folk song about various
girlfriends:

* 'but she took the dishes out first'
;-)

I had a look at this. No requirment for 2 doors any more, as long as
hand washing facilities in the toilet room.
The two doors was harking back to the days when they thought smells
carried germs, and it was supposed to be a type of air lock. Building
regs are in theory required - maybe not for the drainage, since you
are connecting to an existing downpipe, but at least for ventilation.
Unless there is a loophole since it is a type of room conversion.

I am putting in such a loo in the corner of my kitchen (not a
conversion of anything), and the door is going in the hall rather than
the kitchen. A loo directly off a kitchen does not seem ideal.
Simon.

In article ,
The Medway Handyman wrote:
I'm sure that all of this would need building regs permission (but
not planning regs) but I'm being told that I'm wrong and no
permissions are needed. Can we really go ahead with this with no
permissions?
I think you need two doors between the kitchen and the toilet

I thought that as well, but working in a house with a brand new kitchen
extension recently I found the bog directly accessable from the kitchen.
Owner mentioned the hand wash thingy. BCO approved it apparently, but
needs to be checked out by the OP with his local dept.

Think you're right - the regs changed. I have a pal who used to convert
big old houses in poor areas into small flats for rental - and at one
time you did need a ventilated corridor between a bog and kitchen but
that changed many years ago. In London at least.

--
*Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:43:57 +0100, a certain chimpanzee, F
news@nowhere randomly hit a keyboard and produced:

We're thinking of converting a walk-in pantry off the kitchen into a
downstairs toilet.

In the belief that you can't have access to a toilet from a kitchen, the
idea is to put a studded partition across the pantry

I'm sure that all of this would need building regs permission (but not
planning regs) but I'm being told that I'm wrong and no permissions are
needed. Can we really go ahead with this with no permissions?

A new WC/toilet will require a Building Regulations application(1).
You don't need a lobby between the toilet and a food preparation
area(2), but you do need a wash-basin in the toilet, and either an
extract fan or an opening window in the toilet.

(1) For the benefit of whoever's telling you no 'permissions'(3) are
needed, you can quote Regulation 3(1)(c); "building work means...the
material alteration of...a controlled service or fitting".

(2) Likewise, Approved Document G, Section 1.2 says, "a space
containing a closet...should be separated by a door from a space used
for the preparation of food".

(3) The Building Regulations don't give 'permission' or otherwise;
they just say *how* something should be done.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no one on the Internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

Thanks for the responses, we know what we need to do now.

--
F