Does a downstairs toilet with hand basin constitute a "special location"
according to Part P?

No. Toilets do not count as special locations. It would need a bath, shower,
swimming pool or sauna to do that.

Christian.

Hi all

Does a downstairs toilet with hand basin constitute a "special location"
according to Part P?

I have replaced the extractor fan in there at the weekend and added a 3 pole
isolator.
Any other safety measures that I should have considered (yes I know it's a
bit late now)?

TIA

Phil

"Christian McArdle" wrote

No. Toilets do not count as special locations. It would need a bath,
shower,
swimming pool or sauna to do that.

Thanks Christian, thought it was worth a check even a belated one.

Phil

Christian McArdle wrote:
Does a downstairs toilet with hand basin constitute a "special
location" according to Part P?

No. Toilets do not count as special locations. It would need a bath,
shower, swimming pool or sauna to do that.

Christian.

Wouldn't a toilet with a washbasin count?

No. Toilets do not count as special locations. It would need a bath,
shower, swimming pool or sauna to do that.

Wouldn't a toilet with a washbasin count?

No. Not being a special location, it doesn't need supplementary bonding
either.

Christian.

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:11:11 +0100 someone who may be "Fred"
wrote this:-

Wouldn't a toilet with a washbasin count?

No. Some people get disturbed when they see a shaver socket without
isolating transformer in such locations, but there is no requirement
for such a gadget.

One of the reasons for the difference is that much insulation comes
from dry feet, socks and shoes. These are unlikely to be always
present in a room containing a (fixed, as the regulations used to
charmingly state) bath or shower, but are likely in a room
containing just a wash hand basin.




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No. Toilets do not count as special locations. It would need a bath,
shower, swimming pool or sauna to do that.

Or, under Part P, a cooker ...

Not quite. Part P talks about "kitchens and special locations", somewhat
indicating that a kitchen isn't a special location.

Christian.

David Hansen wrote:

[...] in a room containing a (fixed, as the regulations used to
charmingly state) bath or shower [...]

Just in case anyone thought that the galvanized bath-tub that you hang
up in the scullery when you've finished needs bonding :~)

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Andy

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"Christian McArdle" wrote

No. Toilets do not count as special locations. It would need a bath,
shower,
swimming pool or sauna to do that.

Thanks Christian, thought it was worth a check even a belated one.

Phil


If it's of any help to you, this is about the clearest, concise guide to
what's notifiable and what's not that I've seen to date.
As it's written by NICEIC it should be authoritative, too....

http://www.niceic.org.uk/downloads/P...0Guide%208.pdf

Cheers
Splodge

It just gives /examples/ skewed in NICEIC's favour.

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Plonk !!.....

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:02:09 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named
"Christian McArdle" randomly hit
the keyboard and produced:

Not quite. Part P talks about "kitchens and special locations", somewhat
indicating that a kitchen isn't a special location.

Because one of the main reasons that Part P was brought in was due to
the crappy and dangerous installations by certain kitchen fitting
companies (who have got themselves covered by the "competent persons"
scheme so don't need to notify anyone).
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"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:48:36 +0100 someone who may be Hugo Nebula
abuse@localhost wrote this:-

Not quite. Part P talks about "kitchens and special locations", somewhat
indicating that a kitchen isn't a special location.

Because one of the main reasons that Part P was brought in was due to
the crappy and dangerous installations by certain kitchen fitting
companies (who have got themselves covered by the "competent persons"
scheme so don't need to notify anyone).

The main reason Part P was bought in was to avoid overseas companies
claiming the Wiring Regulations are, at best, a voluntary document
and at worst an illegal barrier to trade. Had Westminster officials
and party politicians followed the example set in Scotland long ago
there would be no problem. However, for whatever reasons they had to
gold plate things, a common failing.

IIRC kitchens were added to the mess after a campaign by an MP,
whose daughter was killed by the dodgy wiring of one of these
kitchen fitting companies.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Hugo Nebula wrote:

Because one of the main reasons that Part P was brought in was due to
the crappy and dangerous installations by certain kitchen fitting
companies (who have got themselves covered by the "competent persons"
scheme so don't need to notify anyone).

a company is ignoring the law, so instead of enforcement, we'll bring
in another law they'll also ignore. Very clever.


NT