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What was the first front wheel dive car on the roads?
I think it was the mini. Dave |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... I think it was the mini. Was the mini about in the 90's? That's the 1890's BTW. From wikip "sometime between 1895 and 1898 Gräf & Stift built a voiturette with a one-cylinder De Dion-Bouton engine fitted in the front of the vehicle, powering the front axle." AFAIK the mini was the first transverse engine production car, but I can't say I am an expert in trivia. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... I think it was the mini. Was the mini about in the 90's? That's the 1890's BTW. From wikip "sometime between 1895 and 1898 Gräf & Stift built a voiturette with a one-cylinder De Dion-Bouton engine fitted in the front of the vehicle, powering the front axle." AFAIK the mini was the first transverse engine production car, but I can't say I am an expert in trivia. Don't forget the Citroen Traction Avante |
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Dave wrote:
I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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Rod wrote:
Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) |
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Unbeliever wrote:
Rod wrote: Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) Ask the OP! -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:09 UTC, Harry Bloomfield
wrote: Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. Bond minicar (1948) pre-dated that....! -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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Rod wrote:
Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) Ask the OP! I did! From the order of posts on my newsreader the "OP" for that link is you - unless the link came from a gmail or googlemail address (both killfiled by me to cut spam levels) and poor cutting of the 'reply' post left no clue as to its true origin. |
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Bob Eager presented the following explanation :
On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:09 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. Bond minicar (1948) pre-dated that....! True, I can vaguely remember it. Was the engine actually mounted on the front wheel and as the wheel turned, so did the engine? Must admit I was thinking more in terms of modern front wheel drive cars and four wheeled ones. Did the Citroen DS predate the Mini? -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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"Bob Eager" gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying: I think it was the mini. Mini. Bond minicar (1948) pre-dated that....! A contemporary of the Citroen 2cv and Panhard Dyna X, then. But that was 14 years after the Citroen Traction Avant (1934). Even that wasn't the first - Cord in the US, Alvis in the UK, Tracta in France had all been there first. And that's ignoring the "pioneer" stuff back in the 1880s and 1890s - damn near everything had been tried at least once then. |
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Harry Bloomfield gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying: Did the Citroen DS predate the Mini? Yes, by four years. |
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 22:23:30 UTC, Harry Bloomfield
wrote: Bob Eager presented the following explanation : On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:09 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. Bond minicar (1948) pre-dated that....! True, I can vaguely remember it. Was the engine actually mounted on the front wheel and as the wheel turned, so did the engine? That's right. Must admit I was thinking more in terms of modern front wheel drive cars and four wheeled ones. Did the Citroen DS predate the Mini? I know...I was just being awkward (and thinking a bit laterally). -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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Bob Eager wrote in message ... On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:09 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. Bond minicar (1948) pre-dated that....! Not even close, ive got a 1931 BSA car that's front wheel drive, and that was not the very first car sold with FWD. http://i39.tinypic.com/spk9ix.jpg - |
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In article ,
Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. You think wrong. Alvis made them in 1928 - a racing model first followed by a road car. Then of course the famous Citroen Traction Avant - 1934 onwards. Probably other earlier FWD - but those are the landmarks. -- *I took an IQ test and the results were negative. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave wrote:
I think it was the mini. Dave Oh no. It was something about 1902 |
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 22:19:04 +0100, Dave wrote:
I think it was the mini. Does Nicolas Cugnot's steam-powered three-wheeler of 1770 count? Admittedly it was really intended as a haulage vehicle, not for passenger use, and I'd question whether they could really be called 'roads' back then :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas-Joseph_Cugnot (bonus points for being "front wheel drive" rather than "front wheels drive", maybe?  cheers Jules |
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Cugnot's steam tractor of 1769, which was also the first motorised vehicle to be involved in a traffic accident, when it ran into a wall. Colin Bignell |
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:10 UTC, "Mark" wrote:
Bob Eager wrote in message ... On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:09 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. Bond minicar (1948) pre-dated that....! Not even close, ive got a 1931 BSA car that's front wheel drive, and that was not the very first car sold with FWD. http://i39.tinypic.com/spk9ix.jpg My sentence was carefully worded, and does not contradict that....! -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. AFAIK no car has ever been fitted with front wheel dive, although some amphibians have come close. Front wheel drive pre-dates the mini by "quite a bit". Being spectacularly wrong is a sort of hobby for Mr B. |
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There was the Morgan 3 wheeler, I think the similar BSA had a long chain
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"Jules" wrote in message news  On Wed, 13 May 2009 22:19:04 +0100, Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Does Nicolas Cugnot's steam-powered three-wheeler of 1770 count? Admittedly it was really intended as a haulage vehicle, not for passenger use, It is, nevertheless, officially the first car in the world, recognised as such by the FIA. Colin Bignell |
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On 13 May, 23:23, Harry Bloomfield
wrote: Bob Eager presented the following explanation : On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:09 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. Bond minicar (1948) pre-dated that....! True, I can vaguely remember it. Was the engine actually mounted on the front wheel and as the wheel turned, so did the engine? Must admit I was thinking more in terms of modern front wheel drive cars and four wheeled ones. Did the Citroen DS predate the Mini? -- Regards, * * * * Harry (M1BYT) (L)http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk My parents had one - all sorts of childhood memories flood back. The engine was a two stroke 125cc BSA (I think) driving the single front wheel. The whole engine pivoted for steering via cables - can't remember how the gear change linked but it was on the steering column. Starting was by pulling a floor mounted handle, cable connected to the kickstart. My mother got 'Belinda' stuck in Edinburgh's tram rails once and it tipped on its side - the traffic directing bobby just pushed her back over again ! Showing my age Rob |
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On 14 May, 07:40, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk
wrote: Does Nicolas Cugnot's steam-powered three-wheeler of 1770 count? Admittedly it was really intended as a haulage vehicle, not for passenger use, It is, nevertheless, officially the first car in the world, recognised as such by the FIA. Really? The FIA are normally a bit sniffy about recognising tricycles as "cars", hence the 1964 land speed record splitting between Campbell's four-wheeler Bluebird holding the FIA record whilst Breedlove's tricycle was faster, but only held the FIM record as a tricycle motorcycle. |
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:12 +0100, Unbeliever wrote:
Rod wrote: Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) Ask the OP! I did! From the order of posts on my newsreader the "OP" for that link is you - unless the link came from a gmail or googlemail address (both killfiled by me to cut spam levels) and poor cutting of the 'reply' post left no clue as to its true origin. Unbeliever, Rod is quoting the Subject of the thread where the OP (Dave) made the original typo. SteveW |
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 01:10:17 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote: Harry Bloomfield wrote: Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. AFAIK no car has ever been fitted with front wheel dive, although some amphibians have come close. The Series III Land Rover had it. When the halfshafts broke, which they often did if you didn't have a Salisbury diff, you could select 4WD and use the front axle as the main drive. However, if you turned a sharp corner the steering wheel would be ripped out of your hands and the vehicle would run into a full lock. It was probably something to do with slack on the dog clutch. First time it happened to me I took out a bollard off the Pentonville Road in Islington. Regards, -- Steve ( out in the sticks ) Email: Take time to reply: timefrom_usenet{at}gmx.net |
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Donwill wrote:
There was the Morgan 3 wheeler, I think the similar BSA had a long chain drive to the rear wheel,If my memory serves me correctly. Don There were Morgans with shaft drive as well as those with chain - both to rear wheel. Of the couple in my direct experience (and allowing for many years passing), the Jap V-twin engined one had chain drive and the Ford pop engined one had shaft. (The Tri-King 'replica' had, IIRC, shaft drive.) -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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Steve Walker wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:12 +0100, Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) Ask the OP! I did! From the order of posts on my newsreader the "OP" for that link is you - unless the link came from a gmail or googlemail address (both killfiled by me to cut spam levels) and poor cutting of the 'reply' post left no clue as to its true origin. Unbeliever, Rod is quoting the Subject of the thread where the OP (Dave) made the original typo. I don't think so. Here is my post... "I think it was the mini. Dave" In total Dave SteveW |
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Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:09 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. Bond minicar (1948) pre-dated that....! Ah! Yes, I forgot about that. I must be confusing the question with the first transverse engine :-( Dave |
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Dave wrote:
Steve Walker wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:12 +0100, Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) Ask the OP! I did! From the order of posts on my newsreader the "OP" for that link is you - unless the link came from a gmail or googlemail address (both killfiled by me to cut spam levels) and poor cutting of the 'reply' post left no clue as to its true origin. Unbeliever, Rod is quoting the Subject of the thread where the OP (Dave) made the original typo. I don't think so. Here is my post... "I think it was the mini. Dave" In total Dave SteveW Yes - and that is the post I replied to (thinking initially that it was the OP punting a guess). No snipping. No changes to headers. Just a vanilla reply. Had I seen a real OP, I would have responded in the same slightly sarcastic way to that. As it is, I am still unaware of the OP. Judging by what I can see of the thread, most other posts also saw Dave's post but not the OP. -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 18:53:13 +0100, Rod wrote:
Dave wrote: Steve Walker wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:12 +0100, Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) Ask the OP! I did! From the order of posts on my newsreader the "OP" for that link is you - unless the link came from a gmail or googlemail address (both killfiled by me to cut spam levels) and poor cutting of the 'reply' post left no clue as to its true origin. Unbeliever, Rod is quoting the Subject of the thread where the OP (Dave) made the original typo. I don't think so. Here is my post... "I think it was the mini. Dave" In total Dave SteveW Yes - and that is the post I replied to (thinking initially that it was the OP punting a guess). No snipping. No changes to headers. Just a vanilla reply. Had I seen a real OP, I would have responded in the same slightly sarcastic way to that. As it is, I am still unaware of the OP. Judging by what I can see of the thread, most other posts also saw Dave's post but not the OP. That's the way I saw it, Dave's is the first post in this thread for me and I assumed that he was asking the question in the subject and putting in his own guess to the answer. SteveW |
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Steve Walker wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 18:53:13 +0100, Rod wrote: Dave wrote: Steve Walker wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:12 +0100, Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) Ask the OP! I did! From the order of posts on my newsreader the "OP" for that link is you - unless the link came from a gmail or googlemail address (both killfiled by me to cut spam levels) and poor cutting of the 'reply' post left no clue as to its true origin. Unbeliever, Rod is quoting the Subject of the thread where the OP (Dave) made the original typo. I don't think so. Here is my post... "I think it was the mini. Dave" In total Dave SteveW Yes - and that is the post I replied to (thinking initially that it was the OP punting a guess). No snipping. No changes to headers. Just a vanilla reply. Had I seen a real OP, I would have responded in the same slightly sarcastic way to that. As it is, I am still unaware of the OP. Judging by what I can see of the thread, most other posts also saw Dave's post but not the OP. That's the way I saw it, Dave's is the first post in this thread for me and I assumed that he was asking the question in the subject and putting in his own guess to the answer. SteveW Also the case if you look in Google groups. And when I look at the header, there is no References tag... Subject: What was the first front wheel dive car on the roads? From: Dave Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:19:04 +0100 Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!bor der1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.gigane ws.com!nntp.giganews.com!backlog2.nntp.dca.giganew s.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:19:07 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-aEhZwQ66R4ClMG1XTFW7C2tlgn9Rn+0SMcNtZYRLHcIBBUWcB2 OOz6XK6idJuWFtGw64gVxtMhArQXa!q+vDEQ0Xqq4PVr4SMVk6 dSu2bgBT2U541COv2RcyP1pqprRPgWBhAm+Zs9KJilcvfPLaQH eAM4fj X-Complaints-To: X-DMCA-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 X-Original-Bytes: 1129 uni-berlin.de uk.d-i-y:886147 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090513-0, 13/05/2009), Inbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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Dave wrote:
Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:09 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Dave submitted this idea : I think it was the mini. Dave Mini. Bond minicar (1948) pre-dated that....! Ah! Yes, I forgot about that. I must be confusing the question with the first transverse engine :-( Most steam cars had transverse engines.. Dave |
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Rod wrote:
Dave wrote: Steve Walker wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:12 +0100, Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) Ask the OP! I did! From the order of posts on my newsreader the "OP" for that link is you - unless the link came from a gmail or googlemail address (both killfiled by me to cut spam levels) and poor cutting of the 'reply' post left no clue as to its true origin. Unbeliever, Rod is quoting the Subject of the thread where the OP (Dave) made the original typo. I don't think so. Here is my post... "I think it was the mini. Dave" In total Dave SteveW Yes - and that is the post I replied to (thinking initially that it was the OP punting a guess). No snipping. No changes to headers. Just a vanilla reply. Had I seen a real OP, I would have responded in the same slightly sarcastic way to that. As it is, I am still unaware of the OP. Judging by what I can see of the thread, most other posts also saw Dave's post but not the OP. Due to the nature of my news reader, I cant go back to posts it deleates. Thinking about it, I remember the OP being made, but not it's content. Dave |
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What was the first front wheel dive car on the roads?
Rod wrote:
Steve Walker wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009 18:53:13 +0100, Rod wrote: Dave wrote: Steve Walker wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:12 +0100, Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Unbeliever wrote: Rod wrote: Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. Dave http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+first+front+wheel+dive+car+on+the+ roads%3F Should that link have been http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+was+the+fi...the +roads%3F ? (Changed "dive" to drive) Ask the OP! I did! From the order of posts on my newsreader the "OP" for that link is you - unless the link came from a gmail or googlemail address (both killfiled by me to cut spam levels) and poor cutting of the 'reply' post left no clue as to its true origin. Unbeliever, Rod is quoting the Subject of the thread where the OP (Dave) made the original typo. I don't think so. Here is my post... "I think it was the mini. Dave" In total Dave SteveW Yes - and that is the post I replied to (thinking initially that it was the OP punting a guess). No snipping. No changes to headers. Just a vanilla reply. Had I seen a real OP, I would have responded in the same slightly sarcastic way to that. As it is, I am still unaware of the OP. Judging by what I can see of the thread, most other posts also saw Dave's post but not the OP. That's the way I saw it, Dave's is the first post in this thread for me and I assumed that he was asking the question in the subject and putting in his own guess to the answer. SteveW Also the case if you look in Google groups. And when I look at the header, there is no References tag... Subject: What was the first front wheel dive car on the roads? From: Dave Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:19:04 +0100 Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!bor der1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.gigane ws.com!nntp.giganews.com!backlog2.nntp.dca.giganew s.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:19:07 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-aEhZwQ66R4ClMG1XTFW7C2tlgn9Rn+0SMcNtZYRLHcIBBUWcB2 OOz6XK6idJuWFtGw64gVxtMhArQXa!q+vDEQ0Xqq4PVr4SMVk6 dSu2bgBT2U541COv2RcyP1pqprRPgWBhAm+Zs9KJilcvfPLaQH eAM4fj X-Complaints-To: X-DMCA-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 X-Original-Bytes: 1129 uni-berlin.de uk.d-i-y:886147 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090513-0, 13/05/2009), Inbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From that, I can see where the confusion came from :-) Dave |
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What was the first front wheel dive car on the roads?
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On 14 May, 07:40, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote: Does Nicolas Cugnot's steam-powered three-wheeler of 1770 count? Admittedly it was really intended as a haulage vehicle, not for passenger use, It is, nevertheless, officially the first car in the world, recognised as such by the FIA. Really? The FIA are normally a bit sniffy about recognising tricycles as "cars", hence the 1964 land speed record splitting between Campbell's four-wheeler Bluebird holding the FIA record whilst Breedlove's tricycle was faster, but only held the FIM record as a tricycle motorcycle. Technically, it was an artillery tractor, but I suppose they are willing to be a bit more flexible about definitions that far back. Colin Bignell |
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What was the first front wheel dive car on the roads?
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dave Plowman (News)" saying something like: In article , Dave wrote: I think it was the mini. You think wrong. Alvis made them in 1928 - a racing model first followed by a road car. Then of course the famous Citroen Traction Avant - 1934 onwards. Probably other earlier FWD - but those are the landmarks. FIAT made a small fwd car in about 1929. It was probably the first popular (or not, depending on reliability) fwd. Can't recall the model name, though. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk saying something like: It is, nevertheless, officially the first car in the world, recognised as such by the FIA. Like I'm going to take any notice of that bunch of old Nazis. |
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from Grimly Curmudgeon contains these words: I think it was the mini. You think wrong. Alvis made them in 1928 - a racing model first followed by a road car. Then of course the famous Citroen Traction Avant - 1934 onwards. Probably other earlier FWD - but those are the landmarks. FIAT made a small fwd car in about 1929. It was probably the first popular (or not, depending on reliability) fwd. Can't recall the model name, though. Apologies if this is repeat information but my message last night has yet to appear on zetnet's news server. The 1931 DKW had both transverse engine and FWD. Likewise the postwar Saab 92. -- Roger Chapman |
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What was the first front wheel dive car on the roads?
"Dave" wrote in message ... Steve Walker wrote: .... Unbeliever, Rod is quoting the Subject of the thread where the OP (Dave) made the original typo. I don't think so. Here is my post... "I think it was the mini. Dave" In total Dave The typo is in the title, not in the body - dive instead of drive. Colin Bignell |
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