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Default If governments were *really* serious about saving the planet ...

.... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of
needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources
you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug
sockets and extensions you'd save on.

Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon
trading and trying to get cars more efficient ....

But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I
won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio
heater .....
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Jethro wrote:
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of
needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources
you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug
sockets and extensions you'd save on.


I completely agree. It has baffled me for a while why we all need
bespoke power connectors for different equipment when 99% of it could be
charged from a single 5V 1A supply.
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... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of
needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources
you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug
sockets and extensions you'd save on.


I believe they are working on a standard USB-alike connector, heard it
mentioned about 6 months ago
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... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of
needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources
you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug
sockets and extensions you'd save on.


I believe they are working on a standard USB-alike connector, heard it
mentioned about 6 months ago


Yes, its been done. A couple of years ago the Chinese government
decided that all mobile phones would need to have a common charger
interface, otherwise they could not be sold in China.

Soon afterwards, the USB organisation published the first
specification for a dedicated USB charger interface. At the same time
they specified the Micro-USB interface and made the Mini-USB
obsolete. Most newly designed phones use the Micro-USB interface and
can be charged from any Micro-USB charger.

A compliant charger has a link between D+ and D- in the Micro-USB plug
which is detected by the device being charged. Previously, different
manufacturers implemented their own incompatible schemes, often using
resistor networks on the D+ and D- pins, and sometimes adding
resistors to the USB sense pin.

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Jethro wrote:
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of
needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources
you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug
sockets and extensions you'd save on.

Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon
trading and trying to get cars more efficient ....


Then in 5 yrs time lots of phones would be running on non-ideal
voltages. And this would get worse as the years passed. And it would
waste more battery cells, and voltage convertors.

Better would be a charger that could charge any common voltage of
battery., Then of course there are varying capacities, charge times
and even battery types, so such a universal charger would be
relatively expensive. Hence they're not included with mobiles.
Expensive also means it would use up more resources to mfr.

The plus side is that you only need own one. Instead of buying a
charger with every battery appliance you'd just buy one 25 charger
and it'd handle more or less everything. Appliances would cost 1 less
as they'd come without a wart.

Its a simple idea that would save people money in the end, but would
require end user teaching to get them to buy a 25 charger, and any
product that requires marketplace education to sell is unlikely to
succeed.

A more marketable option would be an optional standard that many
similar devices could share. The charger is cheap as today's, the
standard is promoted as green by the mobile phone sellers using it,
and the charger works on a range of manufacturer's phones.


But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I
won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio
heater .....


Battery charging has nothing to do with climate change. However
efficient it gets isnt going to make the remotest difference, even if
you do believe the ecobollox. Apply some numbers and you'll quickly
see why - its like saying one biscuit would feed a starving nation..


NT


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Jethro wrote:
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of
needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources
you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug
sockets and extensions you'd save on.

Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon
trading and trying to get cars more efficient ....


Then in 5 yrs time lots of phones would be running on non-ideal
voltages. And this would get worse as the years passed. And it would
waste more battery cells, and voltage convertors.

Better would be a charger that could charge any common voltage of
battery., Then of course there are varying capacities, charge times
and even battery types, so such a universal charger would be
relatively expensive. Hence they're not included with mobiles.
Expensive also means it would use up more resources to mfr.

The plus side is that you only need own one. Instead of buying a
charger with every battery appliance you'd just buy one 25 charger
and it'd handle more or less everything. Appliances would cost 1 less
as they'd come without a wart.

Its a simple idea that would save people money in the end, but would
require end user teaching to get them to buy a 25 charger, and any
product that requires marketplace education to sell is unlikely to
succeed.

A more marketable option would be an optional standard that many
similar devices could share. The charger is cheap as today's, the
standard is promoted as green by the mobile phone sellers using it,
and the charger works on a range of manufacturer's phones.


But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I
won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio
heater .....


Battery charging has nothing to do with climate change. However
efficient it gets isnt going to make the remotest difference, even if
you do believe the ecobollox. Apply some numbers and you'll quickly
see why - its like saying one biscuit would feed a starving nation..


NT

Every charger needs space in a shipping container - it uses brass (plug
pins), copper (components and cable) as well as other materials. I think
they should be rationalised and sold as an accessory if really needed.


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Yes, its been done. A couple of years ago the Chinese government
decided that all mobile phones would need to have a common charger
interface, otherwise they could not be sold in China.


Interesting points, perhaps Labour should think carefully about this
before enforcing crap bulbs and HIPs on us all.


I reckon labour politicians are really Chinese. We've been invaded and
never noticed
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On 11 Jan, 17:41, Mike Dodd wrote:
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Yes, its been done. *A couple of years ago the Chinese government
decided that all mobile phones would need to have a common charger
interface, otherwise they could not be sold in China.


Interesting points, perhaps Labour should think carefully about this
before enforcing crap bulbs and HIPs on us all.


A few links...

http://www.chinatechnews.com/2006/12...ce-technology/

http://www.eetimes.com/rss/showArtic...etimes_newsRSS

http://www.usb.org/developers/devcla...arging_1_0.zip

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On 10 Jan, 19:48, Jethro wrote:
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of
needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources
you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug
sockets and extensions you'd save on.

Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon
trading and trying to get cars more efficient ....

But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I
won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio
heater .....


as if by magic ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7894763.stm
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:36:39 -0800 (PST), Jethro
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On 10 Jan, 19:48, Jethro wrote:
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of
needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources
you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug
sockets and extensions you'd save on.

Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon
trading and trying to get cars more efficient ....

But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I
won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio
heater .....


as if by magic ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7894763.stm


I bet it still doesn't prevent phone manufacturers from making their
own chargers, and likely insisting that their own charger has to be
used to honour the phone's guarantee...

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:36:39 -0800 (PST), Jethro
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On 10 Jan, 19:48, Jethro wrote:
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of
needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources
you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug
sockets and extensions you'd save on.

Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon
trading and trying to get cars more efficient ....

But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I
won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio
heater .....


as if by magic ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7894763.stm


I bet it still doesn't prevent phone manufacturers from making their
own chargers, and likely insisting that their own charger has to be
used to honour the phone's guarantee...


and by only having one charger, you can only charge one item at a time, oops!
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and by only having one charger, you can only charge one item at a time,
oops!


It will have to be an optional extra at about 20.



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....they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a
prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
& pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project.

It'll never happen though. ;-)

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...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a
prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
& pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project.

It'll never happen though. ;-)



If western governments were really serious about curbing the power of
Russia, they would think of a way to destabilise the world economy* and
induce a prolonged recession as this would do more damage to Russia's
economy than to any of the major Western economies.


*such as encouraging a speculative oil price bubble!

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Tim Downie wrote:

...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a
prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas
emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project.

It'll never happen though. ;-)

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If governments were really serious about population pressure they would
invent an incurable disease that worked best against the people they
liked least, like - say - Africans and homosexuals.

Ah...
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Tim Downie wrote:

...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a
prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas
emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project.

It'll never happen though. ;-)

Tim

If governments were really serious about population pressure they would
invent an incurable disease that worked best against the people they
liked least, like - say - Africans and homosexuals.

Ah...


So the next mysterious and incurable disease will kill people who are able
to think for themselves then?

:-O
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Tim Downie wrote:
...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a
prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas
emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project.

It'll never happen though. ;-)

Tim

If governments were really serious about population pressure they would
invent an incurable disease that worked best against the people they
liked least, like - say - Africans and homosexuals.

Ah...


So the next mysterious and incurable disease will kill people who are able
to think for themselves then?

:-O

For that, there is MasterRace (TM)


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Tim Downie wrote:

...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a
prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas
emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project.

It'll never happen though. ;-)

Tim

If governments were really serious about population pressure they would
invent an incurable disease that worked best against the people they
liked least, like - say - Africans and homosexuals.

Ah...


So the next mysterious and incurable disease will kill people who are able
to think for themselves then?


The new "anti terrorism" act of 2010 will ban thinking.
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The new "anti terrorism" act of 2010 will ban thinking.


Yep. From what I've heard, arguing with a policeman (eg: "What do you think
I've done?") get's you busted. It's the logical conclusion.


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