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If governments were *really* serious about saving the planet ...
.... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug sockets and extensions you'd save on. Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon trading and trying to get cars more efficient .... But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio heater ..... |
If governments were *really* serious about saving the planet...
Jethro wrote:
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug sockets and extensions you'd save on. I completely agree. It has baffled me for a while why we all need bespoke power connectors for different equipment when 99% of it could be charged from a single 5V 1A supply. |
If governments were *really* serious about saving the planet ...
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug sockets and extensions you'd save on. I believe they are working on a standard USB-alike connector, heard it mentioned about 6 months ago |
If governments were *really* serious about saving the planet ...
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for
charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug sockets and extensions you'd save on. I believe they are working on a standard USB-alike connector, heard it mentioned about 6 months ago Yes, its been done. A couple of years ago the Chinese government decided that all mobile phones would need to have a common charger interface, otherwise they could not be sold in China. Soon afterwards, the USB organisation published the first specification for a dedicated USB charger interface. At the same time they specified the Micro-USB interface and made the Mini-USB obsolete. Most newly designed phones use the Micro-USB interface and can be charged from any Micro-USB charger. A compliant charger has a link between D+ and D- in the Micro-USB plug which is detected by the device being charged. Previously, different manufacturers implemented their own incompatible schemes, often using resistor networks on the D+ and D- pins, and sometimes adding resistors to the USB sense pin. John |
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Jethro wrote:
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug sockets and extensions you'd save on. Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon trading and trying to get cars more efficient .... Then in 5 yrs time lots of phones would be running on non-ideal voltages. And this would get worse as the years passed. And it would waste more battery cells, and voltage convertors. Better would be a charger that could charge any common voltage of battery., Then of course there are varying capacities, charge times and even battery types, so such a universal charger would be relatively expensive. Hence they're not included with mobiles. Expensive also means it would use up more resources to mfr. The plus side is that you only need own one. Instead of buying a charger with every battery appliance you'd just buy one £25 charger and it'd handle more or less everything. Appliances would cost £1 less as they'd come without a wart. Its a simple idea that would save people money in the end, but would require end user teaching to get them to buy a £25 charger, and any product that requires marketplace education to sell is unlikely to succeed. A more marketable option would be an optional standard that many similar devices could share. The charger is cheap as today's, the standard is promoted as green by the mobile phone sellers using it, and the charger works on a range of manufacturer's phones. But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio heater ..... Battery charging has nothing to do with climate change. However efficient it gets isnt going to make the remotest difference, even if you do believe the ecobollox. Apply some numbers and you'll quickly see why - its like saying one biscuit would feed a starving nation.. NT |
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wrote in message ... Jethro wrote: ... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug sockets and extensions you'd save on. Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon trading and trying to get cars more efficient .... Then in 5 yrs time lots of phones would be running on non-ideal voltages. And this would get worse as the years passed. And it would waste more battery cells, and voltage convertors. Better would be a charger that could charge any common voltage of battery., Then of course there are varying capacities, charge times and even battery types, so such a universal charger would be relatively expensive. Hence they're not included with mobiles. Expensive also means it would use up more resources to mfr. The plus side is that you only need own one. Instead of buying a charger with every battery appliance you'd just buy one £25 charger and it'd handle more or less everything. Appliances would cost £1 less as they'd come without a wart. Its a simple idea that would save people money in the end, but would require end user teaching to get them to buy a £25 charger, and any product that requires marketplace education to sell is unlikely to succeed. A more marketable option would be an optional standard that many similar devices could share. The charger is cheap as today's, the standard is promoted as green by the mobile phone sellers using it, and the charger works on a range of manufacturer's phones. But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio heater ..... Battery charging has nothing to do with climate change. However efficient it gets isnt going to make the remotest difference, even if you do believe the ecobollox. Apply some numbers and you'll quickly see why - its like saying one biscuit would feed a starving nation.. NT Every charger needs space in a shipping container - it uses brass (plug pins), copper (components and cable) as well as other materials. I think they should be rationalised and sold as an accessory if really needed. |
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If governments were *really* serious about saving the planet ...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:41:35 +0000, Mike Dodd
wrote: wrote: Yes, its been done. A couple of years ago the Chinese government decided that all mobile phones would need to have a common charger interface, otherwise they could not be sold in China. Interesting points, perhaps Labour should think carefully about this before enforcing crap bulbs and HIPs on us all. I reckon labour politicians are really Chinese. We've been invaded and never noticed :( |
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On 11 Jan, 17:41, Mike Dodd wrote:
wrote: Yes, its been done. *A couple of years ago the Chinese government decided that all mobile phones would need to have a common charger interface, otherwise they could not be sold in China. Interesting points, perhaps Labour should think carefully about this before enforcing crap bulbs and HIPs on us all. A few links... http://www.chinatechnews.com/2006/12...ce-technology/ http://www.eetimes.com/rss/showArtic...etimes_newsRSS http://www.usb.org/developers/devcla...arging_1_0.zip John |
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On 10 Jan, 19:48, Jethro wrote:
... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug sockets and extensions you'd save on. Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon trading and trying to get cars more efficient .... But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio heater ..... as if by magic ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7894763.stm |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:36:39 -0800 (PST), Jethro
wrote: On 10 Jan, 19:48, Jethro wrote: ... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug sockets and extensions you'd save on. Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon trading and trying to get cars more efficient .... But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio heater ..... as if by magic ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7894763.stm I bet it still doesn't prevent phone manufacturers from making their own chargers, and likely insisting that their own charger has to be used to honour the phone's guarantee... -- Frank Erskine |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:02:41 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:36:39 -0800 (PST), Jethro wrote: On 10 Jan, 19:48, Jethro wrote: ... they'd pass a law mandating a common voltage, and connector for charging mobile phones and bluetooths (etc). That way instead of needing 8 chargers I could make do with one. Imagine the resources you'd save if all phones shipped with no charger ... imagine the plug sockets and extensions you'd save on. Damn site easier (& cheaper) than passing ludicrous laws about carbon trading and trying to get cars more efficient .... But since they haven't, I don't think they are serious - therefore I won't be either. In fact I think I'll order *another* patio heater ..... as if by magic ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7894763.stm I bet it still doesn't prevent phone manufacturers from making their own chargers, and likely insisting that their own charger has to be used to honour the phone's guarantee... and by only having one charger, you can only charge one item at a time, oops! |
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"pete" wrote in message ... and by only having one charger, you can only charge one item at a time, oops! It will have to be an optional extra at about £20. |
If governments were *really* serious about saving the planet ...
....they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project. It'll never happen though. ;-) Tim |
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"Tim Downie" wrote:
...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project. It'll never happen though. ;-) If western governments were really serious about curbing the power of Russia, they would think of a way to destabilise the world economy* and induce a prolonged recession as this would do more damage to Russia's economy than to any of the major Western economies. *such as encouraging a speculative oil price bubble! |
If governments were *really* serious about saving the planet...
Tim Downie wrote:
...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project. It'll never happen though. ;-) Tim If governments were really serious about population pressure they would invent an incurable disease that worked best against the people they liked least, like - say - Africans and homosexuals. Ah... |
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The Natural Philosopher coughed up some electrons that declared:
Tim Downie wrote: ...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project. It'll never happen though. ;-) Tim If governments were really serious about population pressure they would invent an incurable disease that worked best against the people they liked least, like - say - Africans and homosexuals. Ah... So the next mysterious and incurable disease will kill people who are able to think for themselves then? :-O |
If governments were *really* serious about saving the planet...
Tim S wrote:
The Natural Philosopher coughed up some electrons that declared: Tim Downie wrote: ...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project. It'll never happen though. ;-) Tim If governments were really serious about population pressure they would invent an incurable disease that worked best against the people they liked least, like - say - Africans and homosexuals. Ah... So the next mysterious and incurable disease will kill people who are able to think for themselves then? :-O For that, there is MasterRace (TM) |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:12:31 +0000, Tim S wrote:
The Natural Philosopher coughed up some electrons that declared: Tim Downie wrote: ...they'd think of a way to destabilise the world economy and induce a prolonged recession as this would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions & pollution worldwide than any "greenergy" project. It'll never happen though. ;-) Tim If governments were really serious about population pressure they would invent an incurable disease that worked best against the people they liked least, like - say - Africans and homosexuals. Ah... So the next mysterious and incurable disease will kill people who are able to think for themselves then? The new "anti terrorism" act of 2010 will ban thinking. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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Mark coughed up some electrons that declared:
The new "anti terrorism" act of 2010 will ban thinking. Yep. From what I've heard, arguing with a policeman (eg: "What do you think I've done?") get's you busted. It's the logical conclusion. |
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