I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

In message , stuart noble
writes
I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by
17 2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might
you expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

I think it differs by District Council or possibly County Council, but
here are a couple to get you started....

http://www.bridgnorth-dc.gov.uk/stat...s/Public/Docum
ents/Development_Policy/Local_Plan/SPG_Parking.pdf

See p.7.

Or

http://www.essexcc.gov.uk/vip8/ecc/E...ries/documents
/vehicle_parking_standards.pdf?channelOid=null

See p.11.

Hth
Someone

On 14 Nov, 09:55, stuart noble wrote:
I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

17 two bed flats = 34 cars, -11 spaces = 23 parked in nearby roads

On 14 Nov, 10:36, Phil wrote:
On 14 Nov, 09:55, stuart noble wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

17 two bed flats = 34 cars, -11 spaces = 23 parked in nearby roads

And it could be worse than that - a double bed for Mum and Dad and a
stay at home son = 3 cars per flat! OK, that's the upper limit but
that gives added weight to the 2 cars per flat.

Rob

somebody wrote:
In message , stuart noble
writes
I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by
17 2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might
you expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

I think it differs by District Council or possibly County Council, but
here are a couple to get you started....

http://www.bridgnorth-dc.gov.uk/stat...s/Public/Docum
ents/Development_Policy/Local_Plan/SPG_Parking.pdf

See p.7.



Or

http://www.essexcc.gov.uk/vip8/ecc/E...ries/documents
/vehicle_parking_standards.pdf?channelOid=null


See p.11.

Hth
Someone

Hm, 2 and 1.5 respectively, making this application a little unrealistic.
At least I now know the terminology, "parking standards". My council
(Bromley) only shows an appendix to them, which is useful :-)

In article , stuart noble
writes
I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

As somebody has pointed out, it varies with the local authority and with
the provision of public transport and other factors.

The guideline in my (city) area is 1.25 spaces per flatted dwelling with
special justification required in terms of public transport or other
considerations if the provision drops below 1 space pre dwelling.

I notice that one of the linked docs had a maximum recommended provision
(1.5?) rather than a minimum.

Have a google for your local requirements.
--
fred
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In article , stuart noble
writes
somebody wrote:
In message , stuart noble
writes
I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by
17 2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might
you expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

I think it differs by District Council or possibly County Council, but
here are a couple to get you started....

http://www.bridgnorth-dc.gov.uk/stat...s/Public/Docum
ents/Development_Policy/Local_Plan/SPG_Parking.pdf

See p.7.



Or

http://www.essexcc.gov.uk/vip8/ecc/E...ries/documents
/vehicle_parking_standards.pdf?channelOid=null


See p.11.

Hth
Someone

Hm, 2 and 1.5 respectively, making this application a little unrealistic.
At least I now know the terminology, "parking standards". My council
(Bromley) only shows an appendix to them, which is useful :-)

Hmmn, that's helpful, give them a call, our lot are pretty helpful and
should be able to advise if you give them a rundown of the property
type. Actually, if it's been given a reference then there should be a
planning officer assigned to the job who will be able to tell you what
they will be looking for from the developer.
--
fred
BBC3, ITV2/3/4, channels going to the DOGs

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:44:34 -0800 (PST), robgraham wrote:
On 14 Nov, 10:36, Phil wrote:
On 14 Nov, 09:55, stuart noble wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

17 two bed flats = 34 cars, -11 spaces = 23 parked in nearby roads

And it could be worse than that - a double bed for Mum and Dad and a
stay at home son = 3 cars per flat! OK, that's the upper limit but
that gives added weight to the 2 cars per flat.

The upper limit could include the SaH son/daughter's boy/girl friend
round as well, plus any of the parents' friends too. One of my neighbours'
houses often has 5 cars outside.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:55:29 +0000, stuart noble
wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.

It is supposed to be chaos. The aim is to cram as many little boxes
in as small a space as possible and make the occupants to travel by
bus or bicycle. Car parking is viewed as inefficient use of space.

The document you need is PPS3 which replaced PPG3 which aimed "to
promote accessibility to jobs, shopping, leisure facilities and
services by public transport, walking and cycling and to reduce the
need to travel, especially by car."

"Reducing the amount of parking in new development (and in the
expansion and change of use in existing development) is essential, as
part of a package of planning and transport measures, to promote
sustainable travel choices. At the same time, the amount of good
quality cycle parking in developments should be increased to
promote more cycle use."

Although PPG3 has been replaced and PPS3 is less prescriptive PPG3
still lives on in many authorities. It imposed an _upper_ limit of
1.5 parking spaces per dwelling. There was no minimum requirement in
PPG3. It recommended that the under-provision of parking should be
accompanied by imposing parking restrictions on surrounding roads to
make sure life was as inconvenient as possible for as many as
possible.

As well as PPS3
http://www.communities.gov.uk/public...ng/pps3housing

The "Manual for Street" has more information
http://www.communities.gov.uk/public...nualforstreets

In particular it emphasises the need for maximising bicycle parking.

http://www.englishpartnerships.co.uk...htm#carparking
Has a number of guides "Car Parking: What works where" about 2/3 way
down. They should provide you with some useful information.

In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.

Does to me too. Unless sheltered accommodation. ;-)

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Peter Parry wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:55:29 +0000, stuart noble
wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.

It is supposed to be chaos. The aim is to cram as many little boxes
in as small a space as possible and make the occupants to travel by
bus or bicycle. Car parking is viewed as inefficient use of space.

The document you need is PPS3 which replaced PPG3 which aimed "to
promote accessibility to jobs, shopping, leisure facilities and
services by public transport, walking and cycling and to reduce the
need to travel, especially by car."

"Reducing the amount of parking in new development (and in the
expansion and change of use in existing development) is essential, as
part of a package of planning and transport measures, to promote
sustainable travel choices. At the same time, the amount of good
quality cycle parking in developments should be increased to
promote more cycle use."

Although PPG3 has been replaced and PPS3 is less prescriptive PPG3
still lives on in many authorities. It imposed an _upper_ limit of
1.5 parking spaces per dwelling. There was no minimum requirement in
PPG3. It recommended that the under-provision of parking should be
accompanied by imposing parking restrictions on surrounding roads to
make sure life was as inconvenient as possible for as many as
possible.

As well as PPS3
http://www.communities.gov.uk/public...ng/pps3housing

The "Manual for Street" has more information
http://www.communities.gov.uk/public...nualforstreets

In particular it emphasises the need for maximising bicycle parking.

http://www.englishpartnerships.co.uk...htm#carparking
Has a number of guides "Car Parking: What works where" about 2/3 way
down. They should provide you with some useful information.



Thanks for the links. Pretty depressing stuff.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:55:29 +0000, stuart noble
wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

Thank yourself lucky it's not a Mosque getting built or a conversion
to one .One near me was given permission a couple of years ago ...a
villa on a narrow but busy road and every Friday it's a nightmare
..cars abandoned everywhere and it got worse when the "Traffic
Management"
folk got to work with bollards at corners and humps on side roads etc
etc .

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:55:29 +0000, stuart noble wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.

Common sense says that at least one space per dwelling. Unless some of the
expected occupants are likely to be non-drivers, sheltered housing for
example.

--
Cheers
Dave.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:55:29 +0000, stuart noble
wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

Thank yourself lucky it's not a Mosque getting built or a conversion
to one .One near me was given permission a couple of years ago ...a
villa on a narrow but busy road and every Friday it's a nightmare
.cars abandoned everywhere and it got worse when the "Traffic
Management"
folk got to work with bollards at corners and humps on side roads etc
etc .

It could be worse, think of the alternative, mountains of camel sh*t all
over the place!

Don.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:55:29 +0000 Stuart noble wrote :
I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced
by 17 2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.

As others have said, you need to check what your LPA's requirements
are. In LB Richmond the minimum was also the maximum, the argument
being that if there is nowhere to park, you won't buy a car.

--
Tony Bryer, 'Software to build on' from Greentram
www.superbeam.co.uk www.superbeam.com www.greentram.com

Don wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:55:29 +0000, stuart noble
wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced
by 17 2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars
might you expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a
formula? I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live
somewhere) but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

Thank yourself lucky it's not a Mosque getting built or a conversion
to one .One near me was given permission a couple of years ago ...a
villa on a narrow but busy road and every Friday it's a nightmare
.cars abandoned everywhere and it got worse when the "Traffic
Management"
folk got to work with bollards at corners and humps on side roads etc
etc .

It could be worse, think of the alternative, mountains of camel sh*t
all over the place!

You could put that on your rhubarb.

Awaits joke...


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

pete wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:44:34 -0800 (PST), robgraham wrote:
On 14 Nov, 10:36, Phil wrote:
On 14 Nov, 09:55, stuart noble wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced
by 17 2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars
might you expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a
formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live
somewhere) but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

17 two bed flats = 34 cars, -11 spaces = 23 parked in nearby roads

And it could be worse than that - a double bed for Mum and Dad and a
stay at home son = 3 cars per flat! OK, that's the upper limit but
that gives added weight to the 2 cars per flat.

The upper limit could include the SaH son/daughter's boy/girl friend
round as well, plus any of the parents' friends too. One of my
neighbours' houses often has 5 cars outside.

And possibly 2 or 3 tradesmens vans. There are a few of these 'conversions'
round here and the limited parking is a right PITA if you need easy access
to your van. Worked in one week before last, what with me, a CORGI guy & a
Sky bloke + all the residents cars it was like one of those 15 piece slide
puzzles.

And I guess you could have Tesco delivering your shopping, Pizza man,
Chinese etc.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:07:55 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

And possibly 2 or 3 tradesmens vans. There are a few of these 'conversions'
round here and the limited parking is a right PITA if you need easy access
to your van. Worked in one week before last, what with me, a CORGI guy & a
Sky bloke + all the residents cars it was like one of those 15 piece slide
puzzles.

And I guess you could have Tesco delivering your shopping, Pizza man,
Chinese etc.

Officially none of those count as according to the govmint they only
stop for 3-4 minutes when residents are not in occupation and
therefore no allowance must be made for them. You must learn to work
quicker :-)

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Peter Parry
saying something like:

Although PPG3 has been replaced and PPS3 is less prescriptive PPG3
still lives on in many authorities. It imposed an _upper_ limit of
1.5 parking spaces per dwelling. There was no minimum requirement in
PPG3. It recommended that the under-provision of parking should be
accompanied by imposing parking restrictions on surrounding roads to
make sure life was as inconvenient as possible for as many as
possible.

The utter ******s.

On 14 Nov 2008 11:35:12 GMT, pete wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:44:34 -0800 (PST), robgraham wrote:
On 14 Nov, 10:36, Phil wrote:
On 14 Nov, 09:55, stuart noble wrote:

I'm considering my response to a planning application whereby a
commercial building in a mainly residential area would be replaced by 17
2 bed flats with 11 parking spaces.
I'm hoping someone on here will know where to look up the general
guidelines councils apply e.g. on average, how many extra cars might you
expect from 34 bedrooms in the south east? Is there a formula?
I don't want to complain unreasonably (people have to live somewhere)
but, as it stands, it sounds like parking chaos.
Any pointers appreciated.

17 two bed flats = 34 cars, -11 spaces = 23 parked in nearby roads

And it could be worse than that - a double bed for Mum and Dad and a
stay at home son = 3 cars per flat! OK, that's the upper limit but
that gives added weight to the 2 cars per flat.

The upper limit could include the SaH son/daughter's boy/girl friend
round as well, plus any of the parents' friends too. One of my neighbours'
houses often has 5 cars outside.

A lot of people around where I live own more cars than they have
persons in the household so I'll raise you ;-)

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