I know that this post is 'off topic' so to speak but I believe there
are many mature and concerned folk use this newsgroup and I value
their opinions as to both its content and intent. I have sent the
message copied below to a number of Labour M.P.s and I intend to send
it to every Labour M.P. over the next few weeks. I note with dismay
that, as at today the no. 10 Downing street e-mail facility is
'down'!? Do you believe there is any merit in the 'honourable'
members of this group either sending similar (or even direct copies)
messages to M.P's?

If you consider that I am way out of order in posting this message on
this newsgroup then I beg your forgiveness. As we are all affected by
the issues raised I do think that we all should let our M.P.s know if
we are not happy with their performance.

THE MESSAGE:

"Prior to posting this e-mail I happened to say to a friend that I
wanted to appeal to

the consciences of some Labour M.P.s. My friend remarked that
polititians don't have

any such thing as a conscience or if they ever did they are certainly
'seared' by the

time they have been in the House of Commons for very long! Well, that
may be true

but, on the points below those dead consciences may be revived?

This 'New' Labour government has failed to protect savers assetts,
allowed and

encouraged the dis-inheriting of families of the old, infirm and
vulnerable who need

genuine care, by placing them in so called 'care homes' simply for
their assets to be

stripped! The care of the old and vulnerable should be the express
responsibility of

the state. And now,adding insult to injury, the power supply
companies and petrol

supply industry has been given the green light to rip-us-off to their
hearts content!

I believe that this government is cursed with the curse of God!

This government has been complicit in condemning the British people to
abject misery,

extreme discomfort, and cold, not to mention serious ill health and
fuel poverty by

your tacit (or perhaps explicit) approval of the obscene price rises
and current

prices for domestic fuels of all types. In terms of home heating we
are reduced to

the level of a third world economy, that we are being charged four,
five or even more

times the real wholesale price of energy by the monopolistic six
energy companies is

common knowledge and verifyable on the internet. Ofgem is a sick
joke, electricity,

gas, oil and water are essentials and not optional for the hapless
residents of this

cold and unpleasant land so heating commodities should be made
available to the

general population at minimum cost and subsidised. You have totally
failed to make

ANY provision for the storage of gas accross the nation which could
have been

purchased cheaply for use over the Winter months. You have also
encouraged the tacit

colusion of price fixing by the so called power companies at the
expense of the

populations heath and well being, and even death due to extreme cold!

If You really do want to be re-elected then protect 100% of savers
assets, yes, and

more importantly, take power distribution, fuel supply and water
companies back into

public ownership! And of course, make the care of the elderly and
vulnerable TOTALLY

FREE! It's funny how you can nationalise a bank or two when it suits!

I encourage you to take every action at your disposal to quickly
address the above

concerns to reverse this greed driven trend. Contrary to what you may
believe, come

the next general election we, the electorate, will not forget these
issues. "

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:13:51 -0800 (PST), Ardamerr
wrote:

I know that this post is 'off topic' so to speak but I believe there
are many mature and concerned folk use this newsgroup and I value
their opinions as to both its content and intent. I have sent the
message copied below to a number of Labour M.P.s and I intend to send
it to every Labour M.P. over the next few weeks. I note with dismay
that, as at today the no. 10 Downing street e-mail facility is
'down'!? Do you believe there is any merit in the 'honourable'
members of this group either sending similar (or even direct copies)
messages to M.P's?

If you consider that I am way out of order in posting this message on
this newsgroup then I beg your forgiveness. As we are all affected by
the issues raised I do think that we all should let our M.P.s know if
we are not happy with their performance.

THE MESSAGE:

"Prior to posting this e-mail I happened to say to a friend that I
wanted to appeal to

the consciences of some Labour M.P.s. My friend remarked that
polititians don't have

any such thing as a conscience or if they ever did they are certainly
'seared' by the

time they have been in the House of Commons for very long! Well, that
may be true

but, on the points below those dead consciences may be revived?

This 'New' Labour government has failed to protect savers assetts,
allowed and

encouraged the dis-inheriting of families of the old, infirm and
vulnerable who need

genuine care, by placing them in so called 'care homes' simply for
their assets to be

stripped! The care of the old and vulnerable should be the express
responsibility of

the state. And now,adding insult to injury, the power supply
companies and petrol

supply industry has been given the green light to rip-us-off to their
hearts content!

I believe that this government is cursed with the curse of God!

This government has been complicit in condemning the British people to
abject misery,

extreme discomfort, and cold, not to mention serious ill health and
fuel poverty by

your tacit (or perhaps explicit) approval of the obscene price rises
and current

prices for domestic fuels of all types. In terms of home heating we
are reduced to

the level of a third world economy, that we are being charged four,
five or even more

times the real wholesale price of energy by the monopolistic six
energy companies is

common knowledge and verifyable on the internet. Ofgem is a sick
joke, electricity,

gas, oil and water are essentials and not optional for the hapless
residents of this

cold and unpleasant land so heating commodities should be made
available to the

general population at minimum cost and subsidised. You have totally
failed to make

ANY provision for the storage of gas accross the nation which could
have been

purchased cheaply for use over the Winter months. You have also
encouraged the tacit

colusion of price fixing by the so called power companies at the
expense of the

populations heath and well being, and even death due to extreme cold!

If You really do want to be re-elected then protect 100% of savers
assets, yes, and

more importantly, take power distribution, fuel supply and water
companies back into

public ownership! And of course, make the care of the elderly and
vulnerable TOTALLY

FREE! It's funny how you can nationalise a bank or two when it suits!

I encourage you to take every action at your disposal to quickly
address the above

concerns to reverse this greed driven trend. Contrary to what you may
believe, come

the next general election we, the electorate, will not forget these
issues. "

I hope your e-mails were "set out" differently from this message?

Gas prices are set by world oil prices and are external to the UK
government - we import gas. The government are pretty powerless to do much
at all, except reduce tax here and there. But tax will be put on something
else to compensate.

The good point is that people are focusing on energy conservation:
insulation, superior heating controls, solar, etc.

Doctor Drivel wrote:
Gas prices are set by world oil prices and are external to the UK
government - we import gas.

Yes, that's true, but the *cost* of gas is far less than the *price* of gas
because of that link to oil and this country's inability to store gas in any
sufficient volume. What I don't understand is this lack of storage capacity
because gas comes from a hole in the ground. Once that hole is empty of our
(UK) gas, why can't it be filled with foreign gas at a time when foreign gas
is cheap for us to buy?

"John" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Gas prices are set by world oil prices and are external to the UK
government - we import gas.

Yes, that's true, but the *cost* of gas is far less than the *price* of
gas because of that link to oil and this country's inability to store gas
in any sufficient volume. What I don't understand is this lack of storage
capacity because gas comes from a hole in the ground. Once that hole is
empty of our (UK) gas, why can't it be filled with foreign gas at a time
when foreign gas is cheap for us to buy?

I have read that may be the case. Some old mines have been looked at too.
"but the *cost* of gas is far less than the *price* of gas". But the UK
government is powerless in this. All that can be done is store gas when it
is cheap. But if the price stays very high for sustained periods, as it
did, then the advantage is lost. We are then left with lots of stored gas
in case of pipeline fractures in Russia.

On Nov 4, 12:58 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
Gas prices are set by world oil prices and are external to the UK
government - we import gas. The government are pretty powerless to do much
at all, except reduce tax here and there. But tax will be put on something
else to compensate.

The good point is that people are focusing on energy conservation:
insulation, superior heating controls, solar, etc.

Umm! Well, the market evidence contradicts this view, which is the
one I'm sure the U.K. government would have us 'swallow' but even the
director of their own energy 'watchdog' EnergyWatch said on national
television only last week that there was clear evidence of TACIT
COLLUSION between the u.k. energy providers to keep the price
artificially high!

"Ardamerr" wrote in message
...

I believe that this government is cursed with the curse of God!

You've not been taking your pills, have you?

Tim

On Nov 4, 2:49 pm, "Tim Downie"
wrote:
"Ardamerr" wrote in message

...

I believe that this government is cursed with the curse of God!

You've not been taking your pills, have you?

Tim

Nice one Tim...

On Nov 4, 2:49 pm, "Tim Downie"
wrote:
"Ardamerr" wrote in message

...

I believe that this government is cursed with the curse of God!

You've not been taking your pills, have you?

Tim

Surely Tim, you are not of the opinion that this government might
actually receives God's blessing? Or is it that you simply deny the
existence of God?

"Ardamerr" wrote in message
...
On Nov 4, 2:49 pm, "Tim Downie"
wrote:
"Ardamerr" wrote in message

...

I believe that this government is cursed with the curse of God!

You've not been taking your pills, have you?

Tim

Surely Tim, you are not of the opinion that this government might
actually receives God's blessing? Or is it that you simply deny the
existence of God?

I'm of the opinion that you lost all credibility with the people you hope to
influence the moment you penned that line (if not long before).

Tim

"Ardamerr" wrote in message
...
On Nov 4, 12:58 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
Gas prices are set by world oil prices and are external to the UK
government - we import gas. The government are pretty powerless to do
much
at all, except reduce tax here and there. But tax will be put on
something
else to compensate.

The good point is that people are focusing on energy conservation:
insulation, superior heating controls, solar, etc.

Umm! Well, the market evidence contradicts this view,

People are focusing on energy conservation. Insulation sales are well up.

which is the
one I'm sure the U.K. government would have us 'swallow' but even the
director of their own energy 'watchdog' EnergyWatch said on national
television only last week that there was clear evidence of TACIT
COLLUSION between the u.k. energy providers to keep the price
artificially high!

Then they should be taken to court.

On Nov 4, 12:51*pm, wrote:

I hope your e-mails were "set out" differently from this message?- Hide quoted text -


Damn, I thought it was blank verse and was reading it for an hour in a
really deep way

On 4 Nov, 12:13, Ardamerr wrote:
I know that this post is 'off topic' so to speak but I believe there
are many mature and concerned folk use this newsgroup and I value
their opinions as to both its content and intent. *I have sent the
message copied below to a number of Labour M.P.s and I intend to send
it to every Labour M.P. over the next few weeks. *I note with dismay
that, as at today the no. 10 Downing street e-mail facility is
'down'!? *Do you believe there is any merit in the 'honourable'
members of this group either sending similar (or even direct copies)
messages to M.P's?

If you consider that I am way out of order in posting this message on
this newsgroup then I beg your forgiveness. *As we are all affected by
the issues raised I do think that we all should let our M.P.s know if
we are not happy with their performance.


In general, if you are writing to them about gas and electricity
prices then it will only have some effect if you strip out the
rhetoric.

And with regard to:-

This 'New' Labour government has failed to protect savers assetts,
allowed and

encouraged the dis-inheriting of families of the old, infirm and
vulnerable who need

genuine care, by placing them in so called 'care homes' simply for
their assets to be

stripped! *The care of the old and vulnerable should be the express
responsibility of

the state. *

I have a house, savings and investments which I hope will see me
through my old age and still leave something for my family. However,
if I end up in care, I'd expect my assets to then be used to cover the
cost. We've reached a rather extreme level of dependency culture if we
expect the taxpayer to pay the care costs of elderly people who have
their own assets, so that their children can inherit a large amount of
the money. With views like that you can hardly refer to the 'greed
driven trend' of others.

Toom

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:13:51 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Ardamerr
wrote this:-

I know that this post is 'off topic' so to speak but I believe there
are many mature and concerned folk use this newsgroup and I value
their opinions as to both its content and intent. I have sent the
message copied below to a number of Labour M.P.s and I intend to send
it to every Labour M.P. over the next few weeks.

MPs (or rather their staff) undoubtedly get such e-mails regularly.
However, they are highly likely to ignore them (or send a "reply"
which amounts to the same thing) unless they know that the sender is
a constituent. The normal way of getting a useful reply from a
Minister is to ask your MP to ask them. That may sound like a quaint
18th Century idea (in many ways it is), but it does have the
advantage that by convention Ministers are not allowed to ignore a
question from an MP.

It is sometimes possible to get a reply from an MP who represents
another constituency. However, that depends on a well written and
relevant letter. Perhaps that MP has a special interest in the
subject or they used to be the writer's MP.

I note with dismay
that, as at today the no. 10 Downing street e-mail facility is
'down'!?

If you write directly to an individual Minister, do pick the
relevant one, then you will get less attention than if it comes via
an MP. Presumably the Prime Minister's office is bombarded with
communications, all of which get fairly standard replies.

If you want to let off steam, bombarding every MP with the same
e-mail is one way of doing so. If you want to stand any chance of
changing things then there are better ways. Just because one can
e-mail every MP does not mean it is a good idea to do so.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Ardamerr wrote:
On Nov 4, 2:49 pm, "Tim Downie"
wrote:
"Ardamerr" wrote in message

...

I believe that this government is cursed with the curse of God!

You've not been taking your pills, have you?

Tim

Surely Tim, you are not of the opinion that this government might
actually receives God's blessing? Or is it that you simply deny the
existence of God?

This kind of question just boggles my mind. To me it's like saying "Do you
deny the world is flat?" or "Do you deny that Santa delivers sugar mice?"

Si

In message , Doctor Drivel
writes

"John" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Gas prices are set by world oil prices and are external to the UK
government - we import gas.

Yes, that's true, but the *cost* of gas is far less than the *price*
of gas because of that link to oil and this country's inability to
store gas in any sufficient volume. What I don't understand is this
lack of storage capacity because gas comes from a hole in the ground.
Once that hole is empty of our (UK) gas, why can't it be filled with
foreign gas at a time when foreign gas is cheap for us to buy?

I have read that may be the case. Some old mines have been looked at too.
"but the *cost* of gas is far less than the *price* of gas". But the
UK government is powerless in this. All that can be done is store gas
when it is cheap. But if the price stays very high for sustained
periods, as it did, then the advantage is lost. We are then left with
lots of stored gas in case of pipeline fractures in Russia.

Now tell us your story about how house prices can't fall because of
demand


--
geoff

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:20:31 -0800 (PST) Toom Tabard wrote :
We've reached a rather extreme level of dependency culture if we
expect the taxpayer to pay the care costs of elderly people who have
their own assets, so that their children can inherit a large amount
of the money.

Noting that 'the taxpayer' (or 'the government') is other people's
children. A significant number of whom probably have next to no assets
of their own.

--
Tony Bryer, 'Software to build on' from Greentram
www.superbeam.co.uk www.superbeam.com www.greentram.com

"geoff" wrote in message
...

Now tell us your story about how house prices can't fall because of
demand

Maxie, it goes like this. "house prices can't fall when their is demand".

Doctor Drivel coughed up some electrons that declared:


"geoff" wrote in message
...

Now tell us your story about how house prices can't fall because of
demand

Maxie, it goes like this. "house prices can't fall when their is demand".

Such a waste of energy. You should be trying to rescue me from my folly of
not installing two combis... Get a grip man!

"Tim S" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel coughed up some electrons that declared:

"geoff" wrote in message
...

Now tell us your story about how house prices can't fall because of
demand

Maxie, it goes like this. "house prices can't fall when their is
demand".

Such a waste of energy.

Do you have a non-condensing combi.

You should be trying to rescue me from my folly of
not installing two combis...

Do you understand waht two combis gives?

Get a grip man!

Someone needs to get a grip of your balls.

Doctor Drivel coughed up some electrons that declared:


"Tim S" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel coughed up some electrons that declared:

"geoff" wrote in message
...

Now tell us your story about how house prices can't fall because of
demand

Maxie, it goes like this. "house prices can't fall when their is
demand".

Such a waste of energy.

Do you have a non-condensing combi.

You should be trying to rescue me from my folly of
not installing two combis...

Do you understand waht two combis gives?

No, but I'm sure to find out!

Get a grip man!

Someone needs to get a grip of your balls.

You'll have to dislodge the wife...

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Ardamerr
saying something like:

Surely Tim, you are not of the opinion that this government might
actually receives God's blessing? Or is it that you simply deny the
existence of God?

****.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
saying something like:

Surely Tim, you are not of the opinion that this government might
actually receives God's blessing? Or is it that you simply deny the
existence of God?

This kind of question just boggles my mind. To me it's like saying "Do you
deny the world is flat?" or "Do you deny that Santa delivers sugar mice?"

"Do you still beat your wife?"

"Tim S" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel coughed up some electrons that declared:


"Tim S" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel coughed up some electrons that declared:

"geoff" wrote in message
...

Now tell us your story about how house prices can't fall because of
demand

Maxie, it goes like this. "house prices can't fall when their is
demand".

Such a waste of energy.

Do you have a non-condensing combi.

You should be trying to rescue me from my folly of
not installing two combis...

Do you understand waht two combis gives?

No, but I'm sure to find out!

Then why haven't you found out?

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2008-11-04, Ardamerr wrote:
On Nov 4, 2:49 pm, "Tim Downie"
wrote:
"Ardamerr" wrote in message


...

I believe that this government is cursed with the curse of God!

You've not been taking your pills, have you?

Tim

Surely Tim, you are not of the opinion that this government might
actually receives God's blessing? Or is it that you simply deny the
existence of God?

I deny the Holy Spirit.

http://www.blasphemychallenge.com/



I'll stick to lust as my downfall.

Adam

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:29:12 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Gas prices are set by world oil prices and are external to the UK
government - we import gas.

Yes, that's true, but the *cost* of gas is far less than the *price* of
gas because of that link to oil and this country's inability to store gas
in any sufficient volume. What I don't understand is this lack of storage
capacity because gas comes from a hole in the ground. Once that hole is
empty of our (UK) gas, why can't it be filled with foreign gas at a time
when foreign gas is cheap for us to buy?

I have read that may be the case. Some old mines have been looked at too.
"but the *cost* of gas is far less than the *price* of gas". But the UK
government is powerless in this. All that can be done is store gas when it
is cheap. But if the price stays very high for sustained periods, as it
did, then the advantage is lost. We are then left with lots of stored gas
in case of pipeline fractures in Russia.

In the UK we have very little capacity for storing gas hence we are
very exposed to fluctuations in wholesale prices. Nevertheless the
Energy companies are still making large profits suggesting that they
are overcharging us.

France, for example, has capped energy price rises so we are probably
subsidizing the French!!

--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and
(")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles
posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by
everyone you will need use a different method of posting.
See http://improve-usenet.org

In article ,
Tim S wrote:
Do you understand waht two combis gives?

No, but I'm sure to find out!

You'll find out you don't have twice the service costs. Or twice the
probability of a failure. Or seeing a service engineer scratching his head
at such stupidity.

--
*When companies ship Styrofoam, what do they pack it in? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tim S wrote:
Do you understand waht two combis gives?

No, but I'm sure to find out!

You'll

Please eff off you are an idiotic plantpot.

Mark wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:29:12 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

"John" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Gas prices are set by world oil prices and are external to the UK
government - we import gas.
Yes, that's true, but the *cost* of gas is far less than the *price* of
gas because of that link to oil and this country's inability to store gas
in any sufficient volume. What I don't understand is this lack of storage
capacity because gas comes from a hole in the ground. Once that hole is
empty of our (UK) gas, why can't it be filled with foreign gas at a time
when foreign gas is cheap for us to buy?
I have read that may be the case. Some old mines have been looked at too.
"but the *cost* of gas is far less than the *price* of gas". But the UK
government is powerless in this. All that can be done is store gas when it
is cheap. But if the price stays very high for sustained periods, as it
did, then the advantage is lost. We are then left with lots of stored gas
in case of pipeline fractures in Russia.

In the UK we have very little capacity for storing gas hence we are
very exposed to fluctuations in wholesale prices. Nevertheless the
Energy companies are still making large profits suggesting that they
are overcharging us.

France, for example, has capped energy price rises so we are probably
subsidizing the French!!

With about 60 nuclear power stations stockpiled with uranium, they can
afford to..