The Carbon Trust & Met Office have said that the grant of £2500 for
these on domestic urban houses should be examined "as they may not
generate enough to offset the emissions created from their
manufacture".

Didn't someone say exactly that, in here some year or so ago?

I cannot remember who it was!

Anyway, if you want to annoy the neighbours, apply now as the grant
might not be around for much longer. How much taxpayers money has
gone down this drain todate?

The world turns.

EricP wrote:
The Carbon Trust & Met Office have said that the grant of £2500 for
these on domestic urban houses should be examined "as they may not
generate enough to offset the emissions created from their
manufacture".

Didn't someone say exactly that, in here some year or so ago?

I cannot remember who it was!

Anyway, if you want to annoy the neighbours, apply now as the grant
might not be around for much longer. How much taxpayers money has
gone down this drain todate?

The world turns.



But sadly, not many domestic windmills.

We needed this recession, to get people actually calculating cost and
net carbon benefit of all this ecobollox.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

But sadly, not many domestic windmills.

We needed this recession, to get people actually calculating cost and net
carbon benefit of all this ecobollox.

I thought there were other European countries who had made some investment
in this technology that were now turning away from wind turbines on account
of the whole "life-cycle cost vs output" argument.

Phil

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
EricP wrote:
The Carbon Trust & Met Office have said that the grant of £2500 for
these on domestic urban houses should be examined "as they may not
generate enough to offset the emissions created from their
manufacture".

Didn't someone say exactly that, in here some year or so ago?

I cannot remember who it was!

Anyway, if you want to annoy the neighbours, apply now as the grant
might not be around for much longer. How much taxpayers money has
gone down this drain todate?

The world turns.



But sadly, not many domestic windmills.

We needed this recession, to get people actually calculating cost and
net carbon benefit of all this ecobollox.
same with electrical solar power it takes more power to create a solar
panel than the panel will produce in its entire life

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

EricP wrote:
The Carbon Trust & Met Office have said that the grant of £2500 for
these on domestic urban houses should be examined "as they may not
generate enough to offset the emissions created from their
manufacture".

Didn't someone say exactly that, in here some year or so ago?

I cannot remember who it was!

Anyway, if you want to annoy the neighbours, apply now as the grant
might not be around for much longer. How much taxpayers money has
gone down this drain todate?

The world turns.

They said that windmills were a waste of space in Urban environments, but
suggested they might work in rural areas - I have my doubts.

B&Q were promoting them heavily last year around here - in an urban
environment. Bloke up the road fitted one, three weeks later it came back
down.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In article ,
Kevin writes:
same with electrical solar power it takes more power to create a solar
panel than the panel will produce in its entire life

There was also a world shortage of the grade of silicon needed
for their manufacture.

It's probably more responsible to encourage their use nearer the
equator than here, where power distribution is much less developed,
what other power generation there is is relatively more poluting,
and the panels operate more efficiently.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

The Natural Philosopher wrote:


We needed this recession, to get people actually calculating cost and
net carbon benefit of all this ecobollox.

Ecobollox - what a great word!


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

same with electrical solar power it takes more power to create a solar
panel than the panel will produce in its entire life


Incorrect.

Read http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/s...ok/tex/cft.pdf pages
45 46

In fact the whole document is a good read!

In article ,
"The Medway Handyman" writes:

They said that windmills were a waste of space in Urban environments, but
suggested they might work in rural areas - I have my doubts.

You need very large ones to have any hope at all of producing
viable energy.

B&Q were promoting them heavily last year around here - in an urban
environment. Bloke up the road fitted one, three weeks later it came back
down.

Gust of wind?

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"The Medway Handyman" writes:

They said that windmills were a waste of space in Urban
environments, but suggested they might work in rural areas - I have
my doubts.

You need very large ones to have any hope at all of producing
viable energy.

B&Q were promoting them heavily last year around here - in an urban
environment. Bloke up the road fitted one, three weeks later it
came back down.

Gust of wind?

Waste of space :-)


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

TheScullster wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

But sadly, not many domestic windmills.

We needed this recession, to get people actually calculating cost and net
carbon benefit of all this ecobollox.

I thought there were other European countries who had made some investment
in this technology that were now turning away from wind turbines on account
of the whole "life-cycle cost vs output" argument.


Actually IF wind turbnes always turned at peak output, they wouldn't be
a bad idea.

The problem is they don't, and the cost of accomodating the power they
put out when they do, and transferring it from where they work to where
its wanted, and backing the whole lot up with other generation when they
dont work, is what kills them ultimately.

You end up with a massively overspecified grid, and windmill arrays,
needing lots of energy storage, to get not very much out.

They exist purely because European edicts mandate a certain amount of
'renewable' power be put on the grid, irrespective of cost, or carbon
cost for that matter..

Its just another example of silly leftish thinking: start with a
problem, think of a solution - any solution - make it a legal
imperative, and sit back feeling smug.

Then notice that the legislation he actually worsened the original
problem you were trying to solve..

And keep very quiet about it..

Its not just the ecobollox sphere either.

People take drugs. This is supposed to be bad for them, So make drugs
illegal. Next thing is there is a massive profit to be made from illegal
drugs, and the addictive ones and the high prices associated with the
illegality lead to terrible lifetstyles for addicts, combined with a
need to commit crime to supply the habit.

Result, every needle freak in your local town needs to either deal drugs
to 10 other people, or start breaking and entering.

Add in more police, more prison places, costing the whole country more.
And leave the addicts out in the cold, unable to actually stop. Oh, and
deny them medical treatment.

Result. Far more addicts. Far more crime, far more cost to the country.

I believe I heard on the radio that post congestion charges, the cars in
central london are less, but the jams haven't changed at all.

I believe I also heard that since we also deny routine contraceptives,
and anti-VD education to teenagers (mustn't encourage them must we), and
also subsidise single mothers, we now have the highest proportion of
teenage mothers in teh West..




Phil

On 07 Aug 2008 07:55:22 GMT, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

You need very large ones to have any hope at all of producing
viable energy.

In the context of domestic windmills can you define "very large".

B&Q were promoting them heavily last year around here - in an urban
environment. Bloke up the road fitted one, three weeks later it came
back down.

Gust of wind?

B-) Be nice to know the real reason. 3 weeks is not really long enough to
to find out the control unit consumed more power than it was generating.
Conducted noise into the building?

There is a one not far from here that has been up quite a while, mind you
it's in an exposed and windy position so may actually produce power.
Having said that of the half dozen or so turbines that have appeared in
the last year or so this is the only "B&Q type" all the others are free
standing column mounted jobbies that look very much like Proven Energy
2.5kW jobbies with rotors 3.5m in dia.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 2008-08-07 10:46:40 +0100, "Dave Liquorice"
said:

On 07 Aug 2008 07:55:22 GMT, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

You need very large ones to have any hope at all of producing
viable energy.

In the context of domestic windmills can you define "very large".

B&Q were promoting them heavily last year around here - in an urban
environment. Bloke up the road fitted one, three weeks later it came
back down.

Gust of wind?

B-) Be nice to know the real reason. 3 weeks is not really long enough to
to find out the control unit consumed more power than it was generating.
Conducted noise into the building?


B&Q have a 28 day return policy.....

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
TheScullster wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

But sadly, not many domestic windmills.

We needed this recession, to get people actually calculating cost and
net carbon benefit of all this ecobollox.

I thought there were other European countries who had made some
investment in this technology that were now turning away from wind
turbines on account of the whole "life-cycle cost vs output" argument.


Actually IF wind turbnes always turned at peak output, they wouldn't be
a bad idea.

The problem is they don't, and the cost of accomodating the power they
put out when they do, and transferring it from where they work to where
its wanted, and backing the whole lot up with other generation when they
dont work, is what kills them ultimately.

You end up with a massively overspecified grid, and windmill arrays,
needing lots of energy storage, to get not very much out.

They exist purely because European edicts mandate a certain amount of
'renewable' power be put on the grid, irrespective of cost, or carbon
cost for that matter..

Its just another example of silly leftish thinking: start with a
problem, think of a solution - any solution - make it a legal
imperative, and sit back feeling smug.

Then notice that the legislation he actually worsened the original
problem you were trying to solve..

And keep very quiet about it..

Its not just the ecobollox sphere either.

People take drugs. This is supposed to be bad for them, So make drugs
illegal. Next thing is there is a massive profit to be made from illegal
drugs, and the addictive ones and the high prices associated with the
illegality lead to terrible lifetstyles for addicts, combined with a
need to commit crime to supply the habit.

Result, every needle freak in your local town needs to either deal drugs
to 10 other people, or start breaking and entering.

Add in more police, more prison places, costing the whole country more.
And leave the addicts out in the cold, unable to actually stop. Oh, and
deny them medical treatment.

Result. Far more addicts. Far more crime, far more cost to the country.

I believe I heard on the radio that post congestion charges, the cars in
central london are less, but the jams haven't changed at all.

I believe I also heard that since we also deny routine contraceptives,
and anti-VD education to teenagers (mustn't encourage them must we), and
also subsidise single mothers, we now have the highest proportion of
teenage mothers in teh West..

But the banning of drugs although often touted as in the interests of
the individual, is more often justified by their deleterious effects on
society. And where you can at least discuss/argue the effects on
individuals, the effects on society of their illegality are clearly in
the direction you posted.

Wonderfully, even legitimate 'drugs' are restricted to the extent that
many people have to import them. Ridiculously, some of them are even
available on the NHS if the doctor is willing to write a prescription
but many GPs refuse. (This refusal is partly because GPs appear to live
in abject fear of being had up in front of the GMC. And partly due to
utter ignorance.) Which represents another income stream for dodgy
internet drug dealers. (It can be difficult to know whether a particular
internet pharmacy is wholly legitimate - or not.)

Knee-jerk reaction (not to be taken literally) is that routine
contraceptives shouldn't be denied to teenagers - rather they need to be
mandated. :-)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On Aug 7, 8:18*am, Kevin wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
EricP wrote:
The Carbon Trust & Met Office have said that the grant of £2500 for
these on domestic urban houses should be examined "as they may not
generate enough to offset the emissions created from their
manufacture".

Didn't someone say exactly that, in here some year or so ago?

I cannot remember who it was!

Anyway, if you want to annoy the neighbours, apply now as the grant
might not be around for much longer. *How much taxpayers money has
gone down this drain todate?

The world turns.

But sadly, not many domestic windmills.

We needed this recession, to get people actually calculating cost and
net carbon benefit of all this ecobollox.

same with electrical solar power it takes more power to create a solar
panel than the panel will produce in its entire life

Evidence?

On Aug 7, 8:52*am, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * Kevin writes:

same with electrical solar power it takes more power to create a solar
panel than the panel will produce in its entire life

There was also a world shortage of the grade of silicon needed
for their manufacture.

But there's a hell of a lot of investment going into it's production
and the production processes for photovoltaics. Sadly many
manufacturers have only recently realised they have a lot to learn
from the semiconductor industry about processing silsicon.

The message
from (Andrew Gabriel) contains these words:

"The Medway Handyman" writes:

They said that windmills were a waste of space in Urban environments, but
suggested they might work in rural areas - I have my doubts.

You need very large ones to have any hope at all of producing
viable energy.

I have been toying with the idea but I still have considerable doubts
even if the planners decide to allow one. Planners will allow monster
windmills in AOBs but are much less inclined to do so in a green belt. I
have yet to get an answer out of the local council.

ISTM that the larger the turbine the better the chance of making an
economic investment but at the end of the day even the larger ones are
only economic because of subsidy and subsidies can be withdrawn without
notice.

Most companies are extremely coy about how much an installation will
actually cost which is a sure sign that their products wouldn't be
economically viable except by accident of continuously rising prices.

By the time I get an answer from the council I may have sufficient wind
data to see whether I do have a chance of making a a go of a nominal 6
kw turbine. I can't afford to finance a larger one and a smaller one
would just be a waste of money.

--
Roger Chapman

On 7 Aug, 08:51, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

They said that windmills were a waste of space in Urban environments, but
suggested they might work in rural areas - I have my doubts.

I want one of these
http://www.quietrevolution.co.uk

Don't care if it works, it just looks nice.

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:34:34 -0700, Andy Dingley wrote:

On 7 Aug, 08:51, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

They said that windmills were a waste of space in Urban environments,
but suggested they might work in rural areas - I have my doubts.

I want one of these
http://www.quietrevolution.co.uk

Don't care if it works, it just looks nice.


me too. They have a certain "koolness" factor, don't they? :-)

--
Mick (Working in a M$-free zone!)
Web: http://www.nascom.info http://mixpix.batcave.net
Filtering everything posted from googlegroups to kill spam.

On 7 Aug, 14:34, Andy Dingley wrote:
On 7 Aug, 08:51, "The Medway Handyman"

wrote:
They said that windmills were a waste of space in Urban environments, but
suggested they might work in rural areas - I have my doubts.

I want one of thesehttp://www.quietrevolution.co.uk

Don't care if it works, it just looks nice.

Nice idea, especially as all the heavy gear is closer to the ground.
Wonder if axial loading is a problem?

On 7 Aug, 08:52, "Vortex2"
wrote:
same with electrical solar power it takes more power to create a solar
panel than the panel will produce in its entire life

Incorrect.

Read http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sustainable/book/tex/cft.pdf
pages 45-46

“The energy required to make a solarpanel is much bigger than the
energy it’ll deliver.”

False. The energy yield ratio (the ratio of energy delivered by a
system over its lifetime, to the energy required to make it) of a roof-
mounted, grid-connected solar system in Central Northern Europe is 4,
for a system with a lifetime of 20 years [RichardsandWatt,2007]; and
more than 7 in a sunnier spot such as Australia. (An energy yield
ratio bigger than one means that a system was A Good Thing, energy-
wise.) Wind turbines with a lifetime of 20 years have an energy yield
ratio of 80.


B.S. Richards and M.E. Watt. Permanently dispelling a myth of
photovoltaics via the adoption of a new net energy indicator.
Renewable and Sustainable Energy Reviews, 11:162172, 2007.
URL http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/13640321


In fact the whole document is a good read!

Certainly is! I'm printing and binding three copies of it. Even at
over a kilopage, that's a good use of the paper.

Owain wrote:
Rod wrote:
Knee-jerk reaction (not to be taken literally) is that routine
contraceptives shouldn't be denied to teenagers - rather they need to
be mandated. :-)

In the same way that tapwater is fluoridated to give people mottly teeth
^W^W^W^W reduce dental decay, perhaps alcopops and cheap cider should
have contraception added.

I jsut don't understand where teenagers get the time do get up to
shenanigans. Don't they have homework?

Owain


Nah - it's fluoridated to cause thyroid disease and gum problems. :-)

But I like your idea. Just make sure that proper drinks aren't
adulterated in this way, please.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Its just another example of silly leftish thinking: start with a
problem, think of a solution - any solution - make it a legal
imperative, and sit back feeling smug.

Then notice that the legislation he actually worsened the original
problem you were trying to solve..

And keep very quiet about it..

Its not just the ecobollox sphere either.

People take drugs. This is supposed to be bad for them, So make drugs
illegal. Next thing is there is a massive profit to be made from illegal
drugs, and the addictive ones and the high prices associated with the
illegality lead to terrible lifetstyles for addicts, combined with a
need to commit crime to supply the habit.

Result, every needle freak in your local town needs to either deal drugs
to 10 other people, or start breaking and entering.

So you think this is just silly 'leftish' thinking?
The *right* are the ones who think 'law and order' can solve everything.

--
*Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...



Wind turbines with a lifetime of 20 years have an energy yield
ratio of 80.

Does that stack up with having the grant removed because wind turbines don't
work?
If one set of figures is dubious what about the rest?

Maybe the figures for the solar panel are the absolute best and you need to
add weekly windows cleaning to the cost? I don't recall seeing the figures
for a dirty panel.

Phil wrote:

Nice idea, especially as all the heavy gear is closer to the ground.
Wonder if axial loading is a problem?

Don't see why it should be. They'll have a fixed shaft going up inside
it, and a bearing at the top and bottom of the rotating part.

Andy

On 7 Aug, 18:34, "dennis@home" wrote:
Wind turbines with a lifetime of 20 years have an energy yield
ratio of 80.

Does that stack up with having the grant removed because wind turbines don't
work?

Wind turbines on urban roofs work about as well as solar panels under
trees. They're a dumb idea, no-one with a clue would install them in
that way. None of that prevents government policy encouraging it.

To confuse the concept with some particular instances of it is the
sort of dumb response that you rarely rise above.

On 7 Aug, 17:45, Owain wrote:

In the same way that tapwater is fluoridated to give people mottly teeth
^W^W^W^W reduce dental decay, perhaps alcopops and cheap cider should
have contraception added.

Have you seen the reduction in dental caries (decay), post widespread
use of fluoride toothpastes? This isn't to say that fluoridising
tapwater is necessary too, but the reduction is impressive.

In article 489acbd7@qaanaaq,
Andy Hall writes:
On 2008-08-07 10:46:40 +0100, "Dave Liquorice"
said:

On 07 Aug 2008 07:55:22 GMT, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

You need very large ones to have any hope at all of producing
viable energy.

In the context of domestic windmills can you define "very large".

I wasn't speaking in the limited context of domestic windmills,
but since you ask, I suspect the answer is "non-existant".

B&Q were promoting them heavily last year around here - in an urban
environment. Bloke up the road fitted one, three weeks later it came
back down.

Gust of wind?

B-) Be nice to know the real reason. 3 weeks is not really long enough to
to find out the control unit consumed more power than it was generating.
Conducted noise into the building?

B&Q have a 28 day return policy.....

In 28 days, it probably didn't manage even 100 revs.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On 7 Aug, 18:34, "dennis@home" wrote:
Wind turbines with a lifetime of 20 years have an energy yield
ratio of 80.

Does that stack up with having the grant removed because wind turbines
don't
work?

Wind turbines on urban roofs work about as well as solar panels under
trees. They're a dumb idea, no-one with a clue would install them in
that way. None of that prevents government policy encouraging it.

To confuse the concept with some particular instances of it is the
sort of dumb response that you rarely rise above.

The concept that a dirty solar panel is a problem went over your head I take
it.

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Rod wrote:
Knee-jerk reaction (not to be taken literally) is that routine
contraceptives shouldn't be denied to teenagers - rather they need to be
mandated. :-)

In the same way that tapwater is fluoridated to give people mottly teeth
^W^W^W^W reduce dental decay, perhaps alcopops and cheap cider should have
contraception added.

I jsut don't understand where teenagers get the time do get up to
shenanigans. Don't they have homework?

Owain

I am shagging a teenager (my bit on the side). She left school 12 months ago
and has no homework to do. She has a full time job.

Adam

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Its just another example of silly leftish thinking: start with a
problem, think of a solution - any solution - make it a legal
imperative, and sit back feeling smug.

Then notice that the legislation he actually worsened the original
problem you were trying to solve..

And keep very quiet about it..

Its not just the ecobollox sphere either.

People take drugs. This is supposed to be bad for them, So make drugs
illegal. Next thing is there is a massive profit to be made from illegal
drugs, and the addictive ones and the high prices associated with the
illegality lead to terrible lifetstyles for addicts, combined with a
need to commit crime to supply the habit.

Result, every needle freak in your local town needs to either deal drugs
to 10 other people, or start breaking and entering.

So you think this is just silly 'leftish' thinking?
The *right* are the ones who think 'law and order' can solve everything.

And if the UK could grow poppies and coca in enough volume drugs would
probably be made legal.

Adam

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:02:10 -0700 (PDT), Andy Dingley wrote:

In the same way that tapwater is fluoridated to give people mottly
teeth ^W^W^W^W reduce dental decay,

Have you seen the reduction in dental caries (decay), post widespread
use of fluoride toothpastes? This isn't to say that fluoridising
tapwater is necessary too, but the reduction is impressive.

Anyone with a pair of eyes can see it in the population. Young people and
by that I mean younger than about mid thirties have excellent teeth. Older
and you start to see decay and fillings. I'm 48 and only have a few teeth
that are not filled.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Its just another example of silly leftish thinking: start with a
problem, think of a solution - any solution - make it a legal
imperative, and sit back feeling smug.

Then notice that the legislation he actually worsened the original
problem you were trying to solve..

And keep very quiet about it..

Its not just the ecobollox sphere either.

People take drugs. This is supposed to be bad for them, So make drugs
illegal. Next thing is there is a massive profit to be made from illegal
drugs, and the addictive ones and the high prices associated with the
illegality lead to terrible lifetstyles for addicts, combined with a
need to commit crime to supply the habit.

Result, every needle freak in your local town needs to either deal drugs
to 10 other people, or start breaking and entering.

So you think this is just silly 'leftish' thinking?
The *right* are the ones who think 'law and order' can solve everything.

not any more. They've been out lawnordered by elfinsafety.

ARWadworth wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Its just another example of silly leftish thinking: start with a
problem, think of a solution - any solution - make it a legal
imperative, and sit back feeling smug.

Then notice that the legislation he actually worsened the original
problem you were trying to solve..

And keep very quiet about it..

Its not just the ecobollox sphere either.

People take drugs. This is supposed to be bad for them, So make drugs
illegal. Next thing is there is a massive profit to be made from illegal
drugs, and the addictive ones and the high prices associated with the
illegality lead to terrible lifetstyles for addicts, combined with a
need to commit crime to supply the habit.

Result, every needle freak in your local town needs to either deal drugs
to 10 other people, or start breaking and entering.

So you think this is just silly 'leftish' thinking?
The *right* are the ones who think 'law and order' can solve everything.

And if the UK could grow poppies and coca in enough volume drugs would
probably be made legal.


well got plenty of opium poppies in the garden. Never tried doing
anything with em.

Adam

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2008-08-07, ARWadworth wrote:

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Rod wrote:
Knee-jerk reaction (not to be taken literally) is that routine
contraceptives shouldn't be denied to teenagers - rather they need to
be
mandated. :-)

In the same way that tapwater is fluoridated to give people mottly teeth
^W^W^W^W reduce dental decay, perhaps alcopops and cheap cider should
have
contraception added.

I jsut don't understand where teenagers get the time do get up to
shenanigans. Don't they have homework?

Owain

I am shagging a teenager

You lucky, lucky git.

He's just a cheapskate and can't afford a real pro.

Huge wrote:
On 2008-08-07, ARWadworth wrote:
"Owain" wrote in message
...
Rod wrote:
Knee-jerk reaction (not to be taken literally) is that routine
contraceptives shouldn't be denied to teenagers - rather they need to be
mandated. :-)
In the same way that tapwater is fluoridated to give people mottly teeth
^W^W^W^W reduce dental decay, perhaps alcopops and cheap cider should have
contraception added.

I jsut don't understand where teenagers get the time do get up to
shenanigans. Don't they have homework?

Owain
I am shagging a teenager

You lucky, lucky git.


joking right? ever watched 'Trisha'?

Huge wrote:
On 2008-08-08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2008-08-07, ARWadworth wrote:
"Owain" wrote in message
...
Rod wrote:
Knee-jerk reaction (not to be taken literally) is that routine
contraceptives shouldn't be denied to teenagers - rather they need to be
mandated. :-)
In the same way that tapwater is fluoridated to give people mottly teeth
^W^W^W^W reduce dental decay, perhaps alcopops and cheap cider should have
contraception added.

I jsut don't understand where teenagers get the time do get up to
shenanigans. Don't they have homework?

Owain
I am shagging a teenager
You lucky, lucky git.


joking right?

Half.

ever watched 'Trisha'?

Certainly not. Nor Jeremy Kyle.


You should. During the construction of this house, the 'lads' would have
their afternoon tea, and put it on, and place bets on whether or not the
subjects would become violent and abusive, or burst into tears.

The best was one teenage lad who apparently had, proved by DNA testing,
got a dreadful sort of 'Vicky Pollard' pregnant with just one abortive
knee trembler up against a pub wall. Trisha was telling him to be
responsible, mature and look after her. His response was that not only
did he actually not like her, but it was not even a proper shag, and he
was ****ed if he was going to spend the rest of his life with some weepy
cow that didn't know enough to take the Pill, and was a lousy shag to boot.

This got a general cheer from the Portakabin. For honesty if nothing else.

The bets were laid off, as he got violent and abusive, and she burst
into tears..

Quite educational all round...

Huge wrote:

ever watched 'Trisha'?

Certainly not. Nor Jeremy Kyle.

AH HA! So how do ypu know who they are?

"Rod" wrote in message
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Knee-jerk reaction (not to be taken literally) is that routine
contraceptives shouldn't be denied to teenagers - rather they need to be
mandated. :-)

They probably should be. But not just for contraception.

The teenager I am seeing said I did not need to use a condom as she was on
the pill. I made sure I wore one as she did not have an MOT certificate.
Even if she had an MOT it is really only valid for the day it was written as
you do not know who else has driven the car.

One in ten teens have some sort of STD. The last thing I wanted was to catch
VD give my girlfriend a reason to chop my knob off.

I did read recently that the 40 to 50 year olds have had a massive increase
in the number of STDs

Adam

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
om...

"Rod" wrote in message
...


Knee-jerk reaction (not to be taken literally) is that routine
contraceptives shouldn't be denied to teenagers - rather they need
to be
mandated. :-)

They probably should be. But not just for contraception.

The teenager I am seeing said I did not need to use a condom as she
was on
the pill. I made sure I wore one as she did not have an MOT
certificate.
Even if she had an MOT it is really only valid for the day it was
written as
you do not know who else has driven the car.

One in ten teens have some sort of STD. The last thing I wanted was
to catch
VD give my girlfriend a reason to chop my knob off.

I did read recently that the 40 to 50 year olds have had a massive
increase
in the number of STDs

Adam


Ah well ... in my day STD was Subscriber Trunk Dialling .... how
things change !!!!

AWEM