TheScullster wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

But sadly, not many domestic windmills.

We needed this recession, to get people actually calculating cost and net
carbon benefit of all this ecobollox.

I thought there were other European countries who had made some investment
in this technology that were now turning away from wind turbines on account
of the whole "life-cycle cost vs output" argument.


Actually IF wind turbnes always turned at peak output, they wouldn't be
a bad idea.

The problem is they don't, and the cost of accomodating the power they
put out when they do, and transferring it from where they work to where
its wanted, and backing the whole lot up with other generation when they
dont work, is what kills them ultimately.

You end up with a massively overspecified grid, and windmill arrays,
needing lots of energy storage, to get not very much out.

They exist purely because European edicts mandate a certain amount of
'renewable' power be put on the grid, irrespective of cost, or carbon
cost for that matter..

Its just another example of silly leftish thinking: start with a
problem, think of a solution - any solution - make it a legal
imperative, and sit back feeling smug.

Then notice that the legislation he actually worsened the original
problem you were trying to solve..

And keep very quiet about it..

Its not just the ecobollox sphere either.

People take drugs. This is supposed to be bad for them, So make drugs
illegal. Next thing is there is a massive profit to be made from illegal
drugs, and the addictive ones and the high prices associated with the
illegality lead to terrible lifetstyles for addicts, combined with a
need to commit crime to supply the habit.

Result, every needle freak in your local town needs to either deal drugs
to 10 other people, or start breaking and entering.

Add in more police, more prison places, costing the whole country more.
And leave the addicts out in the cold, unable to actually stop. Oh, and
deny them medical treatment.

Result. Far more addicts. Far more crime, far more cost to the country.

I believe I heard on the radio that post congestion charges, the cars in
central london are less, but the jams haven't changed at all.

I believe I also heard that since we also deny routine contraceptives,
and anti-VD education to teenagers (mustn't encourage them must we), and
also subsidise single mothers, we now have the highest proportion of
teenage mothers in teh West..




Phil