I had a replacement combi boiler and the new mains connection was done
by a non NICEIC registered electrician. In the "description of minor
works" box he wrote "Connect to new boiler from existing su/spur". My
question is: can non NICEIC electricians legally do this type of work?

wrote:
I had a replacement combi boiler and the new mains connection was done
by a non NICEIC registered electrician. In the "description of minor
works" box he wrote "Connect to new boiler from existing su/spur". My
question is: can non NICEIC electricians legally do this type of work?


"Repairs, replacements and maintenance" activities don't require
Building Control Department approval. So, yes, he can legally do this
type of work.

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Sue

In article ,
wrote:
Corgis can (should be) be certified..... to do the minor electrics
associated with heating systems.

Thing is that the electrics associated with a heating system is sometimes
anything but 'minor works' to make a workmanlike job of. Possibly the most
complicated part of the wiring in the average house. Not safety wise if
it's properly protected by an FCU, of course.

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:13:17 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Plowman (News)" wrote this:-

Thing is that the electrics associated with a heating system is sometimes
anything but 'minor works' to make a workmanlike job of. Possibly the most
complicated part of the wiring in the average house.

Indeed. My control centre consists of two four slot gridswitch
plates with a variety of switches, indicator lamps and FCUs, four
cord outlets, another three slot gridswitch plate with a switch,
indicator lamp and FCU, two controllers, plus an amount of
mini-trunking. At the boiler there are two more cord outlets, one
with three core and earth cables plus eight indicator lamps. This
lot is/will be joined with a variety of cables, including a six core
and earth cable.

While that is much more complicated than the typical heating system
there may well be a lot of work in heating systems these days. Radio
and some sort of data bus may do away with some of this in time, as
it has done in other applications, but I think that for at least
several years ever more complicated heating systems will be wired
using ever more cable.


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David Hansen, Edinburgh
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:13:17 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
Corgis can (should be) be certified..... to do the minor electrics
associated with heating systems.

Thing is that the electrics associated with a heating system is sometimes
anything but 'minor works' to make a workmanlike job of. Possibly the most
complicated part of the wiring in the average house. Not safety wise if
it's properly protected by an FCU, of course.

Some are qualified to do electrical works, rather less are to be trusted
until you know they can do the job.
There are so many ways that heating controls are mis-wired I'm surprised
that half of them work.



--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:13:35 -0800, wrote:

I had a replacement combi boiler and the new mains connection was done
by a non NICEIC registered electrician. In the "description of minor
works" box he wrote "Connect to new boiler from existing su/spur". My
question is: can non NICEIC electricians legally do this type of work?

Isn't anything downstream of a fused spur (like anything that plugs into a socket) outside the scope
of Prat P?
I ( as a competent but non registered/paid up/'officially' qualified person) have worked in
non-domestic environments where you would expect all the rules to be followed to the letter
(schools, lift machine rooms), and on several occasions the 'electricians' haven't expressed any
interest or concern about what I do beyond the fused spur they have installed and tested.

Mike Harrison wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:13:35 -0800, wrote:

I had a replacement combi boiler and the new mains connection was done
by a non NICEIC registered electrician. In the "description of minor
works" box he wrote "Connect to new boiler from existing su/spur". My
question is: can non NICEIC electricians legally do this type of work?

Isn't anything downstream of a fused spur (like anything that plugs into a socket) outside the scope
of Prat P?
I ( as a competent but non registered/paid up/'officially' qualified person) have worked in
non-domestic environments where you would expect all the rules to be followed to the letter
(schools, lift machine rooms), and on several occasions the 'electricians' haven't expressed any
interest or concern about what I do beyond the fused spur they have installed and tested.

If you install fixed equipment then it still counts IIUC. However
business premises etc would not because Part P is domestic only...

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John.

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So if you don't need to be NICEIC qualified to do electrical work what
do you need to be? How can I check if this chap is qualified for the
work he's doing?

wrote:

So if you don't need to be NICEIC qualified to do electrical work what
do you need to be? How can I check if this chap is qualified for the
work he's doing?

You don't need to be anything to do electrical work...

NICEIC is not a qualification, its a trade association. Electricians who
are members of it can sign off domestic stuff for part P without needing
to involve building control. (you can guess why they were all in favour
of a scheme like part P!). There are a number of other trade
associations who's members may also do the same. These include NAPIT,
CORGI, etc (there is a list somewhere).

With domestic work there are two classifications of work - "Minor Works"
and presumably "not minor works". With minor works there is an exemption
that means you do not need to be a member of one of the self certifying
schemes to do the work, or need approval from building control.

So if you are attempting to assess competence to do work, part P is of
no use whatsoever - since you don't need to competent in the true sense
to self certify (the trade bodies would argue that you need a level of
technical competence and proven track record (aka closed shop) to join
them), but of course its the firm that is registered with the trade body
not the individual electricians.

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John.

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Thanks John, some useful information there. I'm not sure you answered
my question though which was how do I check if this chap is legally
qualified to do the work he has done?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:
Corgis can (should be) be certified..... to do the minor electrics
associated with heating systems.

Thing is that the electrics associated with a heating system is sometimes
anything but 'minor works' to make a workmanlike job of. Possibly the most
complicated part of the wiring in the average house. Not safety wise if
it's properly protected by an FCU, of course.


If however this is just a combi swap, and the programmer and thermostats are
already in place to meet the part L regs then I would not even want to issue
a minor works certificate for reconnecting a few wires. I would take a earth
loop reading at the boiler, advise the customer about any main or
supplementary bonding that needs doing and be done with it.

Adam

wrote:
Thanks John, some useful information there. I'm not sure you answered
my question though which was how do I check if this chap is legally
qualified to do the work he has done?

Well connecting a boiler to a an existing spur / socket is basically a
like for like replacement and hence a minor work - even if in a special
location (i.e. bathroom, pool house etc) or a kitchen. So no need for
part P certification. So anyone could have legally done the work.

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John Rumm wrote:

If you install fixed equipment then it still counts IIUC.

Yep, even if the connection is by 13 A plug and socket (as made clear by
item h. in the list of "additional notes" on page 9 of the Approved
Document).

However business premises etc would not because Part P is domestic only...

Unless the business supply (i.e. DNO's cut-out, and metering) is shared
with a dwelling.

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Andy

At the risk of being shot down in flames by a Sparky (I hope so because i
can stop paying out for similar ridiculus work myself when changing
boilers). the answer to your question as i understand the PArt P /IEE reg is
NO, the work cannot be carried out by a non-registered Sparky without it
being inspected by BCO.

Richard

www.fullflow-plumbing.co.uk
wrote in message
oups.com...
I had a replacement combi boiler and the new mains connection was done
by a non NICEIC registered electrician. In the "description of minor
works" box he wrote "Connect to new boiler from existing su/spur". My
question is: can non NICEIC electricians legally do this type of work?

fullflow plumbing wrote:

At the risk of being shot down in flames by a Sparky (I hope so because i
can stop paying out for similar ridiculus work myself when changing
boilers). the answer to your question as i understand the PArt P /IEE reg is
NO, the work cannot be carried out by a non-registered Sparky without it
being inspected by BCO.

If you are simply connecting the boiler to an existing spur / socket,
then you can do that yourself without BCO / part P scheme membership
(regardless of location).

If you need to install more than that and the boiler is in a kitchen or
special location, or you need new control wiring then it would fall
under part P. In which case joining the CORGI scheme would probably be
the most cost effective way of doing this for a gas fitter.

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Cheers,

John.

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