http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

I can't wait for id cards. Who wants to bet that wont be the biggest
monumental f**kup of all time.

Kevin

On 17 Aug, 14:48, Kev wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

I can't wait for id cards. Who wants to bet that wont be the biggest
monumental f**kup of all time.

Kevin

Well I didn't realise they no longer contain a survey. Surely that was
the main thing said would help first-time buyers etc, and that has
gone.
And can you use the searches done pre-HIP when you bought the house
you are selling ? I mean, if there used to be a coal mine nearby, that
won't have changed. It's unlikely anything near would come up on the
searches, but I suppose they would have to be done again anyway.
As for the energy certificate, I wonder what it will say for old solid-
wall homes ? Probably just to insulate the loft !
Simon.

sm_jamieson wrote:
On 17 Aug, 14:48, Kev wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm
I can't wait for id cards. Who wants to bet that wont be the biggest
monumental f**kup of all time.

Kevin

Well I didn't realise they no longer contain a survey. Surely that was
the main thing said would help first-time buyers etc, and that has
gone.
And can you use the searches done pre-HIP when you bought the house
you are selling ? I mean, if there used to be a coal mine nearby, that
won't have changed. It's unlikely anything near would come up on the
searches, but I suppose they would have to be done again anyway.
As for the energy certificate, I wonder what it will say for old solid-
wall homes ? Probably just to insulate the loft !
Simon.

It is simply another form of taxation, the HIPs are subject to VAT. The
usual government way, knew there would be uproar if they introduced it
all at once, by doing it in stages people accept it.

On 17 Aug, 15:27, Broadback wrote:
sm_jamieson wrote:
On 17 Aug, 14:48, Kev wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm
I can't wait for id cards. Who wants to bet that wont be the biggest
monumental f**kup of all time.

Kevin

Well I didn't realise they no longer contain a survey. Surely that was
the main thing said would help first-time buyers etc, and that has
gone.
And can you use the searches done pre-HIP when you bought the house
you are selling ? I mean, if there used to be a coal mine nearby, that
won't have changed. It's unlikely anything near would come up on the
searches, but I suppose they would have to be done again anyway.
As for the energy certificate, I wonder what it will say for old solid-
wall homes ? Probably just to insulate the loft !
Simon.

It is simply another form of taxation, the HIPs are subject to VAT. The
usual government way, knew there would be uproar if they introduced it
all at once, by doing it in stages people accept it.

Yep, frog in a saucepan of water.
Simon.

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:27:15 +0100 Broadback wrote :
It is simply another form of taxation, the HIPs are subject to VAT.

True but if it's a sale subject to IHT or CGT HMG gets 17.5% of the
pack price but then loses 40% of the with-VAT price, e.g. pack price
£500+, they get £87.50 VAT, lose £235 in inheritance tax.

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:27:15 +0100 Broadback wrote :
It is simply another form of taxation, the HIPs are subject to VAT.

True but if it's a sale subject to IHT or CGT HMG gets 17.5% of the
pack price but then loses 40% of the with-VAT price, e.g. pack price
£500+, they get £87.50 VAT, lose £235 in inheritance tax.

Is the 'pack' subject to VAT? Most of the items in it are
things that you already have to buy which are either VAT
excempt or have VAT included.

I can't see that paying someone 50 quid to put it all together
generates another VAT charge (except on that 50 quid).

Personally, I can see this pack as a tax. It doesn't generate
a significant amount of VAT that wasn't already being collected
and there is no compulsion to pay someone to put it together
for you. You can do it yourself - and why would the contributors
to this group do otherwise :-)

tim

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:27:15 +0100 Broadback wrote :
It is simply another form of taxation, the HIPs are subject to VAT.

True but if it's a sale subject to IHT or CGT HMG gets 17.5% of the
pack price but then loses 40% of the with-VAT price, e.g. pack price
£500+, they get £87.50 VAT, lose £235 in inheritance tax.

BLBLBLBLBLblbllblblblblblllllllllllllll - can you say that in English,
please?

For the numerically challenged ...

:-)

Mary

Broadback wrote:
sm_jamieson wrote:

On 17 Aug, 14:48, Kev wrote:

On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

I can't wait for id cards. Who wants to bet that wont be the biggest
monumental f**kup of all time.

Kevin


Well I didn't realise they no longer contain a survey. Surely that was
the main thing said would help first-time buyers etc, and that has
gone.
And can you use the searches done pre-HIP when you bought the house
you are selling ? I mean, if there used to be a coal mine nearby, that
won't have changed. It's unlikely anything near would come up on the
searches, but I suppose they would have to be done again anyway.
As for the energy certificate, I wonder what it will say for old solid-
wall homes ? Probably just to insulate the loft !
Simon.

It is simply another form of taxation, the HIPs are subject to VAT. The
usual government way, knew there would be uproar if they introduced it
all at once, by doing it in stages people accept it.

So why can't I sell a house without an HIP? I can sell a car, aeroplane,
or a yacht, all of which can cost much more than a house.

Dave

Dave wrote:
Broadback wrote:
sm_jamieson wrote:

On 17 Aug, 14:48, Kev wrote:

On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm
.....
So why can't I sell a house without an HIP? I can sell a car, aeroplane,
or a yacht, all of which can cost much more than a house.

Dave

You can but you'll have pay a fine... which costs less than the HIP

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:12:26 -0700, sm_jamieson wrote:

On 17 Aug, 14:48, Kev wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

I can't wait for id cards. Who wants to bet that wont be the biggest
monumental f**kup of all time.

Kevin

Well I didn't realise they no longer contain a survey. Surely that was
the main thing said would help first-time buyers etc, and that has
gone.

What is now left is what the 'industry' will allow. The rock on which the
previous versions foundered was
a) The savvy players would have disregarded a survey sponsored by the
vendor.
b) More importantly, the lenders (a very significant subset of "a") would
not trust it. Result: no mortgage means no sale in almost all cases.

A survey is as often as not a hindrance. It can often highlight minor
problems so needlessly putting of inexperienced (eg. first time buyers)
whilst occasional serious problems may be unreported even on the 'full'
survey. Moreover many of the medium serious problems will relate to the
oil/gas/water/electrical/heating installation and these will be explicit
excluded from even a 'full' survey.




And can you use the searches done pre-HIP when you bought the house
you are selling ? I mean, if there used to be a coal mine nearby, that
won't have changed. It's unlikely anything near would come up on the
searches, but I suppose they would have to be done again anyway.
As for the energy certificate, I wonder what it will say for old solid-
wall homes ? Probably just to insulate the loft !

Yes there's only so much you can do.
1 Loft.
2 better boiler and/or controls
3 better windows (which can't justify their installation on energy saving
ground alone).


Simon.






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On Aug 17, 2:48 pm, Kev wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

I can't wait for id cards. Who wants to bet that wont be the biggest
monumental f**kup of all time.

Oh I don't know. There's really quite a lot of competition for title
of BIGGEST ****up (even if we confine ourselves to goverment computing
programs) ... but there's no way I want to bet it won't be a serious
contender!

"Martin Bonner" wrote in message
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On Aug 17, 2:48 pm, Kev wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

I can't wait for id cards. Who wants to bet that wont be the biggest
monumental f**kup of all time.

Oh I don't know. There's really quite a lot of competition for title
of BIGGEST ****up (even if we confine ourselves to goverment computing
programs) ... but there's no way I want to bet it won't be a serious
contender!

TBH they'll have to try hard to beat the LAS[1] cock-up.
However bad it is implemented, the ID card scheme is unlikely
to kill anybody.

tim

[1] London Ambulance Service

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:13:22 +0100 someone who may be "tim....."
wrote this:-

TBH they'll have to try hard to beat the LAS[1] cock-up.
However bad it is implemented, the ID card scheme is unlikely
to kill anybody.

On the contrary, it is quite likely to result in people being
killed. An "identity register" is a wonderful place for all sorts of
nasty people to attack. Don't like the witness who had you sent to
prison? Get your insider to find out where they moved to.



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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:13:22 +0100 someone who may be "tim....."
wrote this:-

TBH they'll have to try hard to beat the LAS[1] cock-up.
However bad it is implemented, the ID card scheme is unlikely
to kill anybody.

On the contrary, it is quite likely to result in people being
killed. An "identity register" is a wonderful place for all sorts of
nasty people to attack. Don't like the witness who had you sent to
prison? Get your insider to find out where they moved to.

What.

If you want to know who lives where you can already
get this information.

How is this going to make it any worse.

tim

David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:13:22 +0100 someone who may be "tim....."
wrote this:-

TBH they'll have to try hard to beat the LAS[1] cock-up.
However bad it is implemented, the ID card scheme is unlikely
to kill anybody.

On the contrary, it is quite likely to result in people being
killed. An "identity register" is a wonderful place for all sorts of
nasty people to attack. Don't like the witness who had you sent to
prison? Get your insider to find out where they moved to.

Feature creep will ensure that there are plenty more ways for you to get
killed by them. The NHS would no doubt be one of the first organisations
to rely on them for patient identification. Hence they will allow
someone else's medical records to be attached to your identity much more
quickly than before. Net result you receive medication that is
incompatible with your current condition (and continued survival!)

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On Aug 17, 1:11 pm, Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

I can't wait for id cards. Who wants to bet that wont be the biggest
monumental f**kup of all time.

Kevin

You mean worse than the invasion of Iraq?

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:11:34 -0700, Phil
wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

Just how does a 'HIP' save millions of tonnes of carbon? It doesn't
save anything at all - indeed all the extra paper and stuff needed
will add to the pollution...

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On 17 Aug, 15:52, Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:11:34 -0700, Phil
wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

Just how does a 'HIP' save millions of tonnes of carbon? It doesn't
save anything at all - indeed all the extra paper and stuff needed
will add to the pollution...

--
Frank Erskine

The misuse of terms is typical of folks spouting stats. Million tonnes
of carbon (dioxide / diamond / graphite ?), in a (day / month / year /
lifetime of some power station ?) etc.
I know the context of these terms is often assumed, but even so.
Simon.

Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm


"Hips and EPCs can help families to save hundreds of pounds off their
fuel bills, and cut a million tonnes of carbon a year," she continued."

What a load of ********. It will help every householder spend another
£400 - £1000 for no return whatsoever!


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John Rumm wrote:
Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm


"Hips and EPCs can help families to save hundreds of pounds off their
fuel bills, and cut a million tonnes of carbon a year," she continued."

What a load of ********. It will help every householder spend another
£400 - £1000 for no return whatsoever!



Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.
The energy survey will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of
the results.

Stuart Noble wrote:

Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.

Except it's not. I for one will not trust a survey that I have not
commissioned and at present it's unclear who is responsible should the
HIP turn out to be inaccurate.

Steve Firth wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:

Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.

Except it's not. I for one will not trust a survey that I have not
commissioned and at present it's unclear who is responsible should the
HIP turn out to be inaccurate.

The building survey element was, sensibly, abandoned ages ago. Without
the green survey it would just be fixed price conveyancing in advance,
which seems eminently sensible.

Stuart Noble wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:

Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.

Except it's not. I for one will not trust a survey that I have not
commissioned and at present it's unclear who is responsible should the
HIP turn out to be inaccurate.

The building survey element was, sensibly, abandoned ages ago. Without
the green survey it would just be fixed price conveyancing in advance,
which seems eminently sensible.

In theory. In practice the searches etc will be out of date, and would
hence need redoing.


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On 18 Aug 2007 12:14:03 GMT Huge wrote :
Sorry, not just the survey. The whole thing is arsewipe, AFAIC. Why would I
trust anything done by the vendor? Who knows if the search shows that there's
going to be a rendering plant/motorway/row of pylons/waste incinerator/WHY?
right next door, so they faked it?

I think that the chances of this happening are all but nil. Falsifying an
official document, especially one being distributed outside your control, with
yourself identified as the responsible party would be daftness in the extreme.
Where you are likely to be misled is by the seller's answer to the question as
to whether they have had any neighbour disputes: you more or less have to take
their word that next door is not owned by a drug dealer, all-night party
thrower or a 3-ASBO family.

More to the point if you go into the EA and a look at the HIP shows one of the
things you mention you can decide to go no further and haven't wasted time or
money.

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"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
Stuart Noble wrote:

Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.

Except it's not. I for one will not trust a survey that I have not
commissioned and at present it's unclear who is responsible should the
HIP turn out to be inaccurate.

There is no survey in a HIP

tim

tim..... wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
Stuart Noble wrote:

Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.

Except it's not. I for one will not trust a survey that I have not
commissioned and at present it's unclear who is responsible should the
HIP turn out to be inaccurate.

There is no survey in a HIP

A complete waste of time and money then aren't they?

in 659914 20070818 114849 (Steve Firth) wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:

Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.

Except it's not. I for one will not trust a survey that I have not
commissioned and at present it's unclear who is responsible should the
HIP turn out to be inaccurate.

I was buying a house a few years and had already paid for a survey when the
vendor informed us that she had found another buyer. When I suggested her
new buyer help cut my losses by purchasing the survey from me I was told by
one of the solicitors that the survey was only valid for the person who paid for it.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Bob Martin
saying something like:

I was told by
one of the solicitors that the survey was only valid for the person who paid for it.

Hardly surprising if his mate (a surveyor) was going to lose out on
another survey.
--

Dave

Bob Martin wrote:
in 659914 20070818 114849 (Steve Firth) wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:

Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.
Except it's not. I for one will not trust a survey that I have not
commissioned and at present it's unclear who is responsible should the
HIP turn out to be inaccurate.

I was buying a house a few years and had already paid for a survey when the
vendor informed us that she had found another buyer. When I suggested her
new buyer help cut my losses by purchasing the survey from me I was told by
one of the solicitors that the survey was only valid for the person who paid for it.

So it seems the current system is as good as it gets then.

On 2007-08-18 11:38:33 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

John Rumm wrote:
Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm


"Hips and EPCs can help families to save hundreds of pounds off their
fuel bills, and cut a million tonnes of carbon a year," she continued."

What a load of ********. It will help every householder spend another
£400 - £1000 for no return whatsoever!



Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.

As a buyer, would you trust such a thing commissioned by the seller?



The energy survey will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of
the results.

That's true.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-08-18 11:38:33 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

John Rumm wrote:
Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm


"Hips and EPCs can help families to save hundreds of pounds off their
fuel bills, and cut a million tonnes of carbon a year," she continued."

What a load of ********. It will help every householder spend another
£400 - £1000 for no return whatsoever!



Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance, which
has to be beneficial for both parties.

As a buyer, would you trust such a thing commissioned by the seller?



The energy survey will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of the
results.

That's true.

I agree, but that's a different thing to not believing it.

tim

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:10:09 +0100, "tim....."
wrote:



The energy survey will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of the
results.

That's true.

I agree, but that's a different thing to not believing it.

tim


They said on the news this morning that they are able to churn them
out quickly enough... with the current number of energy sureyors..
with another 2000 people about to join the ranks...

Do fensa and ciga certs have to be supplied? Does anyone check the
full extent of the quality of the works?
If you make changes as suggested then do you have to pay for another
energy audit?

Isn't one of the things lightbulbs? Will you be able to sue if they
take the lightbulbs with them when they move out?
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On 2007-08-18 14:10:09 +0100, "tim....." said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-08-18 11:38:33 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

John Rumm wrote:
Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm


"Hips and EPCs can help families to save hundreds of pounds off their
fuel bills, and cut a million tonnes of carbon a year," she continued."

What a load of ********. It will help every householder spend another
£400 - £1000 for no return whatsoever!



Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance, which
has to be beneficial for both parties.

As a buyer, would you trust such a thing commissioned by the seller?



The energy survey will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of the
results.

That's true.

I agree, but that's a different thing to not believing it.

tim

Personally I would neither trust such a thing, nor would I use it.

tim..... wrote:

The energy survey will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of the
results.
That's true.

I agree, but that's a different thing to not believing it.

Whether one can believe them or not only time will tell. Much depends on
the assessment criteria.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would allow something like this to
influence their buying decision. If you want large Victorian semi
complete with many "period features" then that is what you want. The
fact that it may have no cavity walls is something that comes as part of
the package. Or in other words there are a multitude of criteria we have
for buying a place - and these come well above the energy efficiency,
especially as this is something that can be "fixed" or at least improved
later in a good many cases. Whereas moving the catchment area for a
school, or the size of the rooms is somewhat harder.



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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:05:46 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:

On 2007-08-18 11:38:33 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

John Rumm wrote:
Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm


"Hips and EPCs can help families to save hundreds of pounds off their
fuel bills, and cut a million tonnes of carbon a year," she continued."

What a load of ********. It will help every householder spend another
£400 - £1000 for no return whatsoever!



Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.

As a buyer, would you trust such a thing commissioned by the seller?



I think your solicitor would probably be prepared to accept the LA search
and title deed info which might take one of the delays out of the process.

However the delays (which in part lead to gazumping and gazundering) are
usually the "chain" and/or the lender. The latter usually putting
formulaic and procedural hoops in place.



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On 2007-08-18 15:46:35 +0100, Ed Sirett said:

I think your solicitor would probably be prepared to accept the LA search
and title deed info which might take one of the delays out of the process.

Except that if there is any delay at all between the production of the
pack and the transaction, the seller can have sold the property
elsewhere or instituted a variety of things resulting in a charge on
it. The Land Registry and LA searches are trivial anyway

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:05:46 +0100 someone who may be Andy Hall
wrote this:-

The energy survey will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of
the results.

That's true.

Indeed. I have looked at the methodology for Scotland and the rest
of the UK. It is mince and will not produce meaningful results. The
reason for this is that it has been dumbed down so that the sort of
people who work in property can do them, people "trained" after a
short course.

The full method, which will not be used as it is too complicated for
the poor little dears to do, would produce a rough stab at energy
ratings. I might believe what this method produces, I will pay no
attention to the Mickey Mouse version or the Mickey Mouse
"surveyors" that churn them out.


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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2007-08-18, Stuart Noble wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm


"Hips and EPCs can help families to save hundreds of pounds off their
fuel bills, and cut a million tonnes of carbon a year," she continued."

What a load of ********. It will help every householder spend another
£400 - £1000 for no return whatsoever!



Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.
The energy survey will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of
the results.

Too long.

"The whole thing will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of the
results."

There, that's better.

I for one have no intention whatsoever of paying the slightest notice of
anything commissoned & held by the vendor. Ergo, the entire thing is a
waste of
time, effort and money.

Then you aren't going to be buying a house.

Much of what's in the pack: copies of planning, guarentees,
lease, services charges, insurances and the draft contract are
things which the buyer has alwas asked the seller to supply.

If you're going to ignore these, you aren't going to get very far.

tim

tim..... wrote:
"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2007-08-18, Stuart Noble wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
Phil wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6951171.stm

"Hips and EPCs can help families to save hundreds of pounds off their
fuel bills, and cut a million tonnes of carbon a year," she continued."

What a load of ********. It will help every householder spend another
£400 - £1000 for no return whatsoever!


Without the energy survey it seems like a sensible idea, rather like a
log book for the house. All the tedious stuff gets done in advance,
which has to be beneficial for both parties.
The energy survey will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of
the results.
Too long.

"The whole thing will be a farce, and no one will take any notice of the
results."

There, that's better.

I for one have no intention whatsoever of paying the slightest notice of
anything commissoned & held by the vendor. Ergo, the entire thing is a
waste of
time, effort and money.

Then you aren't going to be buying a house.

Much of what's in the pack: copies of planning, guarentees,
lease, services charges, insurances and the draft contract are
things which the buyer has alwas asked the seller to supply.

And presumably your solicitor will still check these and charge you the
same as before. The fact that they were delivered to him in an envelope
with HIP written on it seems neither here nor there.

More to the point, this creates an window of opportunity for deception.

Say for example you know that a neighbour is about to make a planing
application that you anticipate may devalue your property, but is
unlikely to be opposed based on other similar local applications
succeeding. You quickly assemble your HIP before said application is
made. If the buyers solicitor now relies on the information in the HIP
rather than repeating all the searches contained in it, their client
stands to lose out.

--
Cheers,

John.

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