Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody has
asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

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Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody
has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?

Not sure about England but in Scotland an individual can't get one off their
own back. It has to be through an umbrella organisation or a potential
employer. It looks similar in England according to this
http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=381
Personally I think they aren't worth the paper they are printed on
as they are out of date the minute they are printed.

To cut a long story short, I worked with vulnerable individuals for 15 years
without a disclosure. I then moved positions within the health board and was
required to get one. It came back stating I had been to court and convicted
of theft 10 years previous. It put the blocks on my move and I was close to
losing my job.

I contacted disclosure Scotland who deal with it and after several letters /
phone calls I was advised to go to a local police station to have my picture
and finger prints taken. A week later I received a new enhanced disclosure
that had no convictions the way it should be. Not even a sorry or anything.
I phoned them up and was told, maybe someone had given my details when they
got into trouble with the police!

If I had convictions on mine that didn't belong to me, there could equally
be plenty of folk with no convictions who should have them!!

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody
has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?

Ask the question over in uk.legal.moderated - if you do, your post may take
a little time to appear OR Peter Crosland may answer here first :-)

Brian G

In article ,
"The Medway Handyman" writes:
Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody has
asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?

I'm not sure if you can just like that, and rather like an MoT,
it doesn't have any validity after you've got it, although some
organisation might decide to accept an old one.

I had to have one for a job. There are limited organisations
who are allowed to request them. My employer arranged it through
one of them. The employer says which aspects they want checked
up (e.g. not bankrupt, not a criminal, OK to work with vulnerable
people which is an enhanced check), and I think they are only
permitted to ask about the aspects necessary for the job.

Your idea of having some type of certificate you can carry around
saying you don't eat children for lunch probably doesn't exist.

--
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody
has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?


Dave

I also work in these sort of environments, as a self employed external
contractor you do not need a CRB check, indeed you cannot apply for one
yourself, only employers (& certain charities/NGO's and voluntary
organisations) can do so. Furthermore the CRB is only 'valid' for that
employer, if you move employers the CRB doesn't transfer with you, the new
employer would have to apply for a further check. I've been in many
Nursing/Residential & private hospitals and never had an issue - had some
tools nicked though !! presumably by the CRB checked staff. Oh well.

Neil

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

In deed, I trust you are. In thought, is anyone perfect?


How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?http://www.crb.gov.uk/

Though my wife has been a teacher for more years than either of us might
wish to recall (30 plus), she has been required to undertake a CRB for
taking handicapped childen to school.

I also have been required to undertake a CRB check in order that I can
continue to act as either Santa or his Elf for a local charity so I
think you are wise to consider this move.

It's crazy, but that's the Nanny State we live in!

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody
has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?

An individual can't get a CRB check directly. It has to be done through a
registered organisation. What you can get for £10 is a copy of your file(s)
by applying to your local police. This takes up to 40 days. It will not
actually be any direct use to anybody else but it might show up any errors
and allow you to get them sorted.

Peter Crosland

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?



Dave,

As a past owner of a private nursery school, I would advise that you
should never be left alone with children or vulnerable people. The
facility should make sure of this.

You should also ensure that you are always escorted and supervised in the
vicinty of children or vulnerable people - for your own safety ! You
are fully entitled to ask that you not be left alone. Allegations
(false or true) are very easily made and extremely difficult to counter.

As others have said - you cannot ask for a CRB check for yourself.

Terry W.

Terry W. wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
:

Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?



Dave,

As a past owner of a private nursery school, I would advise that you
should never be left alone with children or vulnerable people. The
facility should make sure of this.

You should also ensure that you are always escorted and supervised in
the vicinty of children or vulnerable people - for your own safety !
You are fully entitled to ask that you not be left alone.
Allegations (false or true) are very easily made and extremely
difficult to counter.

As others have said - you cannot ask for a CRB check for yourself.

Terry W.


Sadly, I have to endorse your advice. When my younger was at primary
school, when I had but few opportunities to share time with him due to
work, I was faced with a barrage of sceptical faces.

It still hurts me and has done him a great deal of harm.Can we please
get rid of this silly Nanny State

Neil wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?


Dave

I also work in these sort of environments, as a self employed external
contractor you do not need a CRB check, indeed you cannot apply for
one yourself, only employers (& certain charities/NGO's and voluntary
organisations) can do so. Furthermore the CRB is only 'valid' for that
employer, if you move employers the CRB doesn't transfer with you,
the new employer would have to apply for a further check. I've been
in many Nursing/Residential & private hospitals and never had an
issue - had some tools nicked though !! presumably by the CRB checked
staff. Oh well.
Neil

Spot on. Seems to reflect my experience to date.

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:45:13 +0100 someone who may be "The Medway
Handyman" wrote this:-

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody has
asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

For the public, a waste of time [1].

For those operating the "service", an excellent way of placing a
large bung in their pockets.

For party politicians, a way of being able to say they have "done
something".

For officials, a box to tick after which they sit back on their
bottoms and forget about child protection. The ticked box also is to
defend themselves in court.

[1] Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went to see their former
classroom assistant. Sadly she wasn't there, but her boyfriend was.
Party politicians tell us that these "checks" are to prevent the
same thing happening again. Unless these "checks" are to be extended
to all friends and family who may be alone in a house they are not
going to do anything.

How far through a family should these "checks" go, how long would
someone be a lover before they had to have a "check", would married
people having an affair be happy to expose their affair to nosey
officials? That is before one considers false information, those not
caught and first offenders.

Just the sort of stupidity one would expect from the Labour Party.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:28:47 +0100 David Hansen wrote :
Just the sort of stupidity one would expect from the Labour Party.

Only insofar as they have got into the bad habit of responding to
Daily Mail editorials. There are no votes to be won and lots to be
lost had from responding to calls for CRB checks, Part P and a load
of other stuff with "look, occasionally things are going to go wrong,
but the cost of preventing this is not justified, and we cannot
prevent them anyway".

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody
has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?

The school that wanted me to do the work organised mine.

They asked me to pay £45 pounds for it. No problem it was returned in the
extras bill as "misc undefined £95"

Adam

Owain wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody
has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.
I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.
How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?

Things may be (are) different in England and Wales.

In Scotland you can get a Basic Disclosure yourself. If you want a
Standard or Enhanced Disclosure then this has to be obtained by the
organisation themselves or by an approved nominee. It cannot be
obtained by the subject i.e. you. It is valid only for that
organisation at that date, and cannot be transferred to any other
organisation.
The simple answer is that you should never be left alone with
vulnerable people - for your own safety as well as theirs, having
children or doddery wrinklies wandering around when you're up a
ladder or have sharp tools or hot work in progress isn't allowable.
If this means a member of their staff has to escort you at all times,
so be it.
At least for playgroups, can you arrange jobs for outside playgroup
hours?

Thats exactly what has happened for all the playgroup jobs I've had. And
rightly so.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:45:13 +0100 someone who may be "The Medway
Handyman" wrote this:-

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

For the public, a waste of time [1].

For those operating the "service", an excellent way of placing a
large bung in their pockets.

For party politicians, a way of being able to say they have "done
something".

For officials, a box to tick after which they sit back on their
bottoms and forget about child protection. The ticked box also is to
defend themselves in court.


I guess you are probably right there. It seems logical to me, that if I
could get myself checked it would reassure my customers, protect me to some
extent and be a marketing plus.

I wouldn't have a problem with an (accurate) police record being available
to my potential clients. It would help me and if everyone did the same
scrotes like Ian Huntley couldn't get away with murdering innocent little
girls.

Whats the phrase? Hitting the targets & missing the point?


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

On 10 Aug, 23:28, "clot" wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Hi

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.

In deed, I trust you are. In thought, is anyone perfect?



How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?http://www.crb.gov.uk/

Though my wife has been a teacher for more years than either of us might
wish to recall (30 plus), she has been required to undertake a CRB for
taking handicapped childen to school.

I also have been required to undertake a CRB check in order that I can
continue to act as either Santa or his Elf for a local charity so I
think you are wise to consider this move.

It's crazy, but that's the Nanny State we live in!

I endorse the advice given. SWIMBO is a consultant paediatrician for
nigh on 30 years and has yet to be asked to supply a CRB check ... so
much for systems.
As a rowing coach I am required to get one if I coach under 18s and it
is a complete pain applying and what is really annoying is that I
cannot take it with me to other regions of endeavour.
For working with play groups I suggest that as part of your COSHH
assessment you take the "risk" posed by ANY proximity of young to a
work area and that alone should protect you. The other protection is
to keep job sheets and make contemporaneous notes on your work record
sheet should any even remotely "risky" situation occur. Courts simply
love the evidence of a contemporaneous note and they have considerable
weight.
Chris

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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Owain wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes. Nobody
has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.
I am, of course, as pure as the driven snow in thought & deed.
How do I get one sorted? Anyone know?

Things may be (are) different in England and Wales.

In Scotland you can get a Basic Disclosure yourself. If you want a
Standard or Enhanced Disclosure then this has to be obtained by the
organisation themselves or by an approved nominee. It cannot be
obtained by the subject i.e. you. It is valid only for that
organisation at that date, and cannot be transferred to any other
organisation.
The simple answer is that you should never be left alone with
vulnerable people - for your own safety as well as theirs, having
children or doddery wrinklies wandering around when you're up a
ladder or have sharp tools or hot work in progress isn't allowable.
If this means a member of their staff has to escort you at all times,
so be it.
At least for playgroups, can you arrange jobs for outside playgroup
hours?

Thats exactly what has happened for all the playgroup jobs I've had. And
rightly so.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257



There should be no problem you obtaining a CRB for yourself as you are
effectively an organisation, just speak to your local umbrella body...or you
could try and online service like -

https://www.disclosures.co.uk/google...sationcrb.html

Give them a call, they will advise you.

Steve

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:45:13 +0100 someone who may be "The Medway
Handyman" wrote this:-

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

For the public, a waste of time [1].

For those operating the "service", an excellent way of placing a
large bung in their pockets.

For party politicians, a way of being able to say they have "done
something".

For officials, a box to tick after which they sit back on their
bottoms and forget about child protection. The ticked box also is to
defend themselves in court.


I guess you are probably right there. It seems logical to me, that if I
could get myself checked it would reassure my customers, protect me to
some extent and be a marketing plus.

I wouldn't have a problem with an (accurate) police record being available
to my potential clients. It would help me and if everyone did the same
scrotes like Ian Huntley couldn't get away with murdering innocent little
girls.


Ian Huntley would have passed a CRB check. He was never convicted of
anything before the two murders.

Adam

I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

For the public, a waste of time [1].

For those operating the "service", an excellent way of placing a
large bung in their pockets.

For party politicians, a way of being able to say they have "done
something".

For officials, a box to tick after which they sit back on their
bottoms and forget about child protection. The ticked box also is to
defend themselves in court.


I guess you are probably right there. It seems logical to me, that if I
could get myself checked it would reassure my customers, protect me to
some extent and be a marketing plus.

I wouldn't have a problem with an (accurate) police record being
available to my potential clients. It would help me and if everyone did
the same scrotes like Ian Huntley couldn't get away with murdering
innocent little girls.


Ian Huntley would have passed a CRB check. He was never convicted of
anything before the two murders.

Adam

You can't pass or fail a CRB check, it merely summarises any involvement
with the police you may have had (even if you were not arrested or
cautioned), or whether your name is on one of the lists of people considered
unsuitable for work with vulnerable adults or children. The Enhanced CRB
check would have picked up that allegations had been made against Huntley
even though they had never been substantiated. However in the days before
the CRB, he would have come up clean in one of the (then) police checks as
not only did different forces not communicate with each other, but the check
would only pick up convictions.

Steve

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:44:22 +0100 someone who may be "R.P.McMurphy"
wrote this:-

You can't pass or fail a CRB check, it merely summarises any involvement
with the police you may have had (even if you were not arrested or
cautioned),

Any involvement?

The Enhanced CRB
check would have picked up that allegations had been made against Huntley
even though they had never been substantiated.

However, such "checks" are not made on lovers. Thus they would have
made no difference to the generic case of someone being attacked by
the lover of someone who had been "checked".

It is difficult to see how such "checks" could be made on lovers.
Perhaps you could tell us what you think the criteria should be?


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"R.P.McMurphy" wrote in message
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I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

For the public, a waste of time [1].

For those operating the "service", an excellent way of placing a
large bung in their pockets.

For party politicians, a way of being able to say they have "done
something".

For officials, a box to tick after which they sit back on their
bottoms and forget about child protection. The ticked box also is to
defend themselves in court.


I guess you are probably right there. It seems logical to me, that if I
could get myself checked it would reassure my customers, protect me to
some extent and be a marketing plus.

I wouldn't have a problem with an (accurate) police record being
available to my potential clients. It would help me and if everyone did
the same scrotes like Ian Huntley couldn't get away with murdering
innocent little girls.


Ian Huntley would have passed a CRB check. He was never convicted of
anything before the two murders.

Adam

You can't pass or fail a CRB check, it merely summarises any involvement
with the police you may have had (even if you were not arrested or
cautioned), or whether your name is on one of the lists of people
considered unsuitable for work with vulnerable adults or children.

So if I had a new CRB check done, would it show that I have being arrested 5
times for assault but never been charged?

Adam

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
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"R.P.McMurphy" wrote in message
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I'm increasingly getting jobs in playgroups & old peoples homes.
Nobody has asked yet, but I think a CRB check could be a good thing.

For the public, a waste of time [1].

For those operating the "service", an excellent way of placing a
large bung in their pockets.

For party politicians, a way of being able to say they have "done
something".

For officials, a box to tick after which they sit back on their
bottoms and forget about child protection. The ticked box also is to
defend themselves in court.


I guess you are probably right there. It seems logical to me, that if
I could get myself checked it would reassure my customers, protect me
to some extent and be a marketing plus.

I wouldn't have a problem with an (accurate) police record being
available to my potential clients. It would help me and if everyone
did the same scrotes like Ian Huntley couldn't get away with murdering
innocent little girls.


Ian Huntley would have passed a CRB check. He was never convicted of
anything before the two murders.

Adam

You can't pass or fail a CRB check, it merely summarises any involvement
with the police you may have had (even if you were not arrested or
cautioned), or whether your name is on one of the lists of people
considered unsuitable for work with vulnerable adults or children.

So if I had a new CRB check done, would it show that I have being arrested
5 times for assault but never been charged?

Adam

Yep.

Steve

In article ,
"ARWadsworth" writes:

So if I had a new CRB check done, would it show that I have being arrested 5
times for assault but never been charged?

It will depend if it is considered it relevant for the position/role
for which the CRB check is being done. For an enhanced CRB check (as
required for working with vulnerable people), then almost certainly.
Even lesser things which the police considered to be of concern but
haven't resulted in arrest can be listed in this case. For a basic
CRB check (e.g. to be a bank teller), then I doubt it would be
listed.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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