I live in Birmingham & need to find a DECENT heating engineer to fit a
System Boiler & unvented cylinder.

I have been on the corgi website & rang about 8, 2 have turned up who
seem to be iffy.

Then i tried yellow pages, I rang 5 and 3 turned up quoting silly
money.

Are these tradesmen taking the mickey or is it me?!!!!!!!!!!!!!




--
handypandy

"handypandy" m wrote in
message . com...

I live in Birmingham & need to find a DECENT heating engineer to fit a
System Boiler & unvented cylinder.

I have been on the corgi website & rang about 8, 2 have turned up who
seem to be iffy.


Given recent events there must be a joke there somewhere...............

In message ,
handypandy m writes

I live in Birmingham & need to find a DECENT heating engineer to fit a
System Boiler & unvented cylinder.

I have been on the corgi website & rang about 8, 2 have turned up who
seem to be iffy.

Then i tried yellow pages, I rang 5 and 3 turned up quoting silly
money.

Are these tradesmen taking the mickey or is it me?!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fit it yourself ...



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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:20:49 GMT, raden wrote:

In message ,
handypandy m writes

I live in Birmingham & need to find a DECENT heating engineer to fit a
System Boiler & unvented cylinder.

I have been on the corgi website & rang about 8, 2 have turned up who
seem to be iffy.

Then i tried yellow pages, I rang 5 and 3 turned up quoting silly
money.

Are these tradesmen taking the mickey or is it me?!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fit it yourself ...

Isn't "unvented cylinder", verboten stuff for DIY?

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:12:39 +0000, handypandy wrote:

I live in Birmingham & need to find a DECENT heating engineer to fit a
System Boiler & unvented cylinder.

I have been on the corgi website & rang about 8, 2 have turned up who
seem to be iffy.

Then i tried yellow pages, I rang 5 and 3 turned up quoting silly
money.

Are these tradesmen taking the mickey or is it me?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's all about supply and demand.
When the media talk about a shortage of 'plumbers' they really mean a
shortage of heating engineers and gas or oil fitters.

The ones that are most likely to turn up are also likely to be the ones
which have a 'predatory' business model.

There is such a thing as the customer from hell. Almost as a matter of
principle I don't work for new customers unless they are recommended to me
by another good customer! I do however try to respond to all enquiries
even if it's to let people know that there is no way I can help.

How are you determining whether the prospective heating installers are
"decent".

I would expect that the work would cost around £1500-£2500 if you think
that's silly money. Why don't you give up the day job?

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I would expect that the work would cost around £1500-£2500 if you think
that's silly money. Why don't you give up the day job?

That price has to be for supply & fit

What about fitting a previously sourced boiler & cylinder?

Mj wrote in message
...
I would expect that the work would cost around £1500-£2500 if you think
that's silly money. Why don't you give up the day job?

That price has to be for supply & fit

What about fitting a previously sourced boiler & cylinder?


Ha
If you cant work out what the problem is with that idea
you would do well in politics.


-

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:12:39 +0000, handypandy
m wrote:


I live in Birmingham & need to find a DECENT heating engineer to fit a
System Boiler & unvented cylinder.

I have been on the corgi website & rang about 8, 2 have turned up who
seem to be iffy.

Then i tried yellow pages, I rang 5 and 3 turned up quoting silly
money.

Are these tradesmen taking the mickey or is it me?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Depends what you call silly money. In my experience people want to buy
the skills of anyone carting a toolbag for as cheap as possible. If
that person is toting a briefcase and a sharp suite instead,then they
dont even question the cost becuase they expect to have to pay so
called professionals whereas its assumed that toolbags should not be
considered professional and therefore should work for as little as
possible.

Beleive it or not, tradesmen know instinctively who they want to work
for and who they want to swerve. I have been in the
plumbing/heating/gas trade for over 25 years and i can assess a
cusmter within seconds of them opening the door. I have experienced a
million and one scenarios and different types of customer,house,etc
and I know how the scenario will play out and what the customer will
be like. Its instinctive. It follows that i know the ones who need
carefull handling.

Its true,it is hard to get good tradesmen. Been there,done that. The
trouble is,all the good ones are booked up onths in advance. If you
get one straight away,there is probably a good reason.

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:12:39 +0000, handypandy wrote:

I live in Birmingham & need to find a DECENT heating engineer to fit a
System Boiler & unvented cylinder.

I have been on the corgi website & rang about 8, 2 have turned up who
seem to be iffy.

Then i tried yellow pages, I rang 5 and 3 turned up quoting silly
money.

Are these tradesmen taking the mickey or is it me?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's all about supply and demand.
When the media talk about a shortage of 'plumbers' they really mean a
shortage of heating engineers and gas or oil fitters.

I know some that haven't worked for 6 weeks and they are in yellow pages.
The building trade has been very slack. The wet weather has meant the
brickies can't build the houses fast enough and there is a knock-on effect.

"EricP" wrote in message
...
Fit it yourself ...

Isn't "unvented cylinder", verboten stuff for DIY?

Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can be
DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house and
doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A heat bank
will give better performance than an unvented cylinder. Avoid unvented
cylinders.

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:29:59 +0000, Mj wrote:

I would expect that the work would cost around £1500-£2500 if you think
that's silly money. Why don't you give up the day job?

That price has to be for supply & fit

Not in my book. That's for the fitting.
I wouldn't fit kit costing less than another £1500 for that job.


What about fitting a previously sourced boiler & cylinder?
Why should that be a problem provided the equipment is good enough to put
you efforts onto.



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Doctor Drivel wrote:

Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can
be DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house
and doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A heat
bank will give better performance than an unvented cylinder. Avoid
unvented cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

It's a cylinder full of water with no air in the equation, or what air
"may" have been in the cylinder would be rapidly dissolved into passing
water, so no air in the cylinder.
Therefore, a water vessel pressurised to 3 or 4 bar max ? yet prolly
rated and tested to twice or thrice that pressure i'd expect will, at
most, should the unlikely event ever happen, develop no more than a fine
spray. Certainly not develop a wall-demolishing rupture!

I fail to see how an unvented hotweater tank is more of a hazard than
any pipe or joint anywhere on the domestic side of the mains stopcock.

As for an annual service of £100 pounds, that would be like saying if
you don't get your boiler serviced anually you'll die of gas poisoning.

Can you give justification for your scaremongering ?

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Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
...

When the media talk about a shortage of 'plumbers' they really mean a
shortage of heating engineers and gas or oil fitters.

I know some that haven't worked for 6 weeks and they are in yellow
pages.

Yellow Pages for which area? Would love to know.

David

In message , "Pet @
www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" writes
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank
can be DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the
house and doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges.
A heat bank will give better performance than an unvented cylinder.
Avoid unvented cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

It's prolly what happened last time DD touched one

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Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can
be DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house
and doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A
heat bank will give better performance than an unvented cylinder.
Avoid unvented cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

It's a cylinder full of water with no air in the equation, or what air
"may" have been in the cylinder would be rapidly dissolved into passing
water, so no air in the cylinder.
Therefore, a water vessel pressurised to 3 or 4 bar max ? yet prolly
rated and tested to twice or thrice that pressure i'd expect will, at
most, should the unlikely event ever happen, develop no more than a fine
spray. Certainly not develop a wall-demolishing rupture!

There's a fairly spectacular 'Brainiac'-style video clip of one blowing
up which has been posted here before.

I fail to see how an unvented hotweater tank is more of a hazard than
any pipe or joint anywhere on the domestic side of the mains stopcock.

Because it's connected to the boiler, which if every built-in failsafe
didn't work, could potentially heat up and pressurise the contents of
the system to a helluva lot more than 3 or 4 bars!

As for an annual service of £100 pounds, that would be like saying if
you don't get your boiler serviced anually you'll die of gas poisoning.

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When the
Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at the
cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

David

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When the
Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at the
cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been looked
at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will disown you.
Not having an annual service is like driving around without an MOT.

""Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)"" wrote in message
. ..
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can be
DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house and
doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A heat bank
will give better performance than an unvented cylinder. Avoid unvented
cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

A catastrophic exposion:
http://www.waterheaterblast.com

I fail to see how an unvented hotweater tank is more of a hazard than any
pipe or joint anywhere on the domestic side of the mains stopcock.

See above.

As for an annual service of £100 pounds, that would be like saying if you
don't get your boiler serviced anually you'll die of gas poisoning.

It isn't. Have an explosion or just a leak and the insurance company will
disown you and if injury or serious property damage you risk imprisonment.

Can you give justification for your scaremongering ?

http://www.waterheaterblast.com

Avoid invented cylinders. £100 a year to store hot water? £2,000 in 20
years? Nah. Superior alternatives are around.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , "Pet @
www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" writes
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can
be DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house
and doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A heat
bank will give better performance than an unvented cylinder. Avoid
unvented cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

It's prolly what happened last time DD touched one

Maxie, where you really climbing for coconuts in a frock up a tree? What
where you really climbing for? Nice frock Maxie.

http://i7.tinypic.com/33e1wyq.jpg

"Lobster" wrote in message
news
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
...

When the media talk about a shortage of 'plumbers' they really mean a
shortage of heating engineers and gas or oil fitters.

I know some that haven't worked for 6 weeks and they are in yellow pages.

Yellow Pages for which area? Would love to know.

Norf Lahdan, Herts, Bucks

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When
the Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at
the cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been
looked at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will
disown you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy to
suggest that.

David

In article ,
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote:
Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can
be DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house
and doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A
heat bank will give better performance than an unvented cylinder.
Avoid unvented cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

You've not read about dribble's 'plumbing'? He managed to flood an entire
street through not knowing how to cut plastic pipe before joining it. So
take everything he says with a large pinch of salt.

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"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When the
Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at the
cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been looked
at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will disown
you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy to
suggest that.

Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved" fitter,
usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not serviced they
will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented approved.

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ,
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote:
Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can
be DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house
and doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A
heat bank will give better performance than an unvented cylinder.
Avoid unvented cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

You've

You must eff off as you are a total idiot. You really must eff off.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When the
Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at the
cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been
looked at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will
disown you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy to
suggest that.

Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved" fitter,
usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not serviced
they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented approved.

Not mine. The user manual specifies the annual checks and say they can be
performed by a competent householder. I assume that is why you don't seem
to be aware.

Jim A

"Jim Alexander" wrote in message
...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When
the Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at
the cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been
looked at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will
disown you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy to
suggest that.

Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved" fitter,
usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not serviced
they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented approved.

Not mine. The user manual specifies the annual checks and say they can be
performed by a competent householder. I assume that is why you don't seem
to be aware.

What make? Do you test the high temp and pressure relief valves? The
average pensioner can do that? Look harder.

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When the
Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at the
cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.


Well if that's his opinion, but Section 7 of the manual specifies a number
of checks to be undertaken.

Jim A

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:47:56 +0000, Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can
be DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house
and doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A heat
bank will give better performance than an unvented cylinder. Avoid
unvented cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

It's a cylinder full of water with no air in the equation, or what air
"may" have been in the cylinder would be rapidly dissolved into passing
water, so no air in the cylinder.
Therefore, a water vessel pressurised to 3 or 4 bar max ? yet prolly
rated and tested to twice or thrice that pressure i'd expect will, at
most, should the unlikely event ever happen, develop no more than a fine
spray. Certainly not develop a wall-demolishing rupture!

I fail to see how an unvented hotweater tank is more of a hazard than
any pipe or joint anywhere on the domestic side of the mains stopcock.

As for an annual service of £100 pounds, that would be like saying if
you don't get your boiler serviced anually you'll die of gas poisoning.

Can you give justification for your scaremongering ?


As is often the case, I find myself wanting to steer a middle course betwen
the extremes.

DD so grossly over states the dangers, the problems and the cost of
unvented that he has lost touch with my understanding of reality.

The main danger is not so much on the pressure side of things. As you
point out the vessels are tested to 15 bar and no doubt would hole much
more still. They also have two safety valves to boot.
The main danger (as outline in the wiki) is over temperature and steam
hazards. There is a relief valve for this but the discharge pipes must be
able to handle it.



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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 10:12:43 +0000, Jim Alexander wrote:

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When the
Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at the
cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been
looked at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will
disown you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy to
suggest that.

Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved" fitter,
usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not serviced
they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented approved.

Not mine. The user manual specifies the annual checks and say they can be
performed by a competent householder. I assume that is why you don't seem
to be aware.


Methinks he has an excess stock of thermal stores to shift and this is the
real reason to slag off the unvented.


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Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When
the Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look
at the cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been
looked at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will
disown you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy
to suggest that.

Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved"
fitter, usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not
serviced they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented approved.

So just out of interest, if I was to scan in all the small print of my
insurance policy and post it up here, would you believe me then?

David

In article ,
Lobster wrote:
Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved"
fitter, usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not
serviced they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented
approved.

So just out of interest, if I was to scan in all the small print of my
insurance policy and post it up here, would you believe me then?

Don't be silly - this is dribble. He knows all the small print in every
insurance policy. Needs to after that flood...

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"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 10:12:43 +0000, Jim Alexander wrote:

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When
the
Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at
the
cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been
looked at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will
disown you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy to
suggest that.

Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved"
fitter,
usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not serviced
they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented approved.

Not mine. The user manual specifies the annual checks and say they can
be
performed by a competent householder. I assume that is why you don't
seem
to be aware.


Methinks he has an excess stock of thermal stores to shift and this is the
real reason to slag off the unvented.

Me thinks you don't know too much.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Lobster wrote:
Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved"
fitter, usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not
serviced they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented
approved.

So just out of interest, if I was to scan in all the small print of my
insurance policy and post it up here, would you believe me then?

Don't be silly

Please eff off

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When
the Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look at
the cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been
looked at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will
disown you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy to
suggest that.

Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved" fitter,
usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not serviced
they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented approved.

So just out of interest, if I was to scan in all the small print of my
insurance policy and post it up here, would you believe me then?

Ring them up. Your cylinder fails and the ceiling collapses beneath - £10Ks
worth of damage. Contact insurance company and they say was the cylinder
serviced? You say, no. They say, No way Jose. Give them a ring and see
what they say.

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:47:56 +0000, Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can
be DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house
and doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A
heat
bank will give better performance than an unvented cylinder. Avoid
unvented cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

It's a cylinder full of water with no air in the equation, or what air
"may" have been in the cylinder would be rapidly dissolved into passing
water, so no air in the cylinder.
Therefore, a water vessel pressurised to 3 or 4 bar max ? yet prolly
rated and tested to twice or thrice that pressure i'd expect will, at
most, should the unlikely event ever happen, develop no more than a fine
spray. Certainly not develop a wall-demolishing rupture!

I fail to see how an unvented hotweater tank is more of a hazard than
any pipe or joint anywhere on the domestic side of the mains stopcock.

As for an annual service of £100 pounds, that would be like saying if
you don't get your boiler serviced anually you'll die of gas poisoning.

Can you give justification for your scaremongering ?

As is often the case, I find myself wanting to steer a middle course
betwen
the extremes.

DD so grossly over states the dangers, the problems and the cost of
unvented that he has lost touch with my understanding of reality.

You are a very naive person.

1. Can they explode? Yes.
2. Can they take down the side of your hosue? Yes.
3. Do they need an annual service? Yes.
4. Does this service cost money? Yes, around £60 to £100 per year (£2,000
over 20 years just to store hot water)
5. Will an insurance company pay up if not serviced every year? No.

6. Can a vented heat bank/thermal store explode? No.
7. Can they take down the side of your house? No.
8. Do they need an annual service? No.
9. Will an insurance company pay up a leak? Yes.
10. Does a heat bank/thermal store perform the same as an unvented cyldienr?
Yes and probably better.
11. Does a heat bank/thermal store cost more than an unvented cylinder? No,
about the samem, but provides boiler buffering for free.

The main danger is not so much on the pressure side of things.

It isn't? have a look:
http://www.waterheaterblast.com

Please some sort of analytical thinking.

In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:
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So just out of interest, if I was to scan in all the small print of my
insurance policy and post it up here, would you believe me then?

Don't be silly - this is dribble. He knows all the small print in every
insurance policy. Needs to after that flood...

Yes, but the small print in Drivel's policy is probably quite
unique. After all, would you insure him?

--
Andrew Gabriel

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
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Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder.
When the Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't
even look at the cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to
service" ISTR he said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been
looked at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company
will disown you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy
to suggest that.

Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved"
fitter, usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and
not serviced they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented
approved.

So just out of interest, if I was to scan in all the small print of my
insurance policy and post it up here, would you believe me then?

Ring them up. Your cylinder fails and the ceiling collapses beneath -
£10Ks worth of damage. Contact insurance company and they say was the
cylinder serviced? You say, no. They say, No way Jose. Give them a
ring and see what they say.

I've always thought it was a general principle of entering into a
written contract (with an insurance company or otherwise) that the terms
of the contract are written down in advance and signed, rather than made
up on the spur of the moment to suit one party to the contract. But
what do I know - I'm clearly a plantpot and need to eff off, right?

David

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Lobster wrote:
Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved"
fitter, usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not
serviced they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented
approved.

So just out of interest, if I was to scan in all the small print of my
insurance policy and post it up here, would you believe me then?

Don't be silly - this is dribble. He knows all the small print in every
insurance policy. Needs to after that flood...

.... And whatever subsequent disasters he's caused that he hasn't told us
about

--
geoff

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote:
Unvented yes. You don't need to fit one of those when a heat bank can
be DIYed, doesn't have the ability to take down the side of the house
and doesn't costs £60 to £100 a year in annual service charges. A
heat bank will give better performance than an unvented cylinder.
Avoid unvented cylinders.

I'm intrigued as to how an unvented ho****er cylinder of any persuasion
can "take down the side of the house"

You've not read about dribble's 'plumbing'? He managed to flood an entire
street through not knowing how to cut plastic pipe before joining it. So
take everything he says with a large pinch of salt.

I believe that "salt marsh" was the word you were looking for

--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
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... And whatever subsequent disasters he's caused that he hasn't told us
about

Maxie, I would have disaster wearing a frock. Frocks are really not me -
but definitely you.

"Lobster" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Lobster" wrote in message
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Well I have a Valliant boiler and matching unvented cylinder. When
the Vaillant engineer came round for a service, he didn't even look
at the cylinder, wasn't interested. "Nothing to service" ISTR he
said.

The man is a fool. Do you have a piece of paper to say it has been
looked at? If there is an insurance claim the insurance company will
disown you.

There's nothing whatsoever in the small print of my insurance policy
to suggest that.

Read again. A unvented cylinder needs a service by an "approved"
fitter, usually BBA every year. If there is a fault, a claim, and not
serviced they will not pay up. Being CORGI is not being unvented
approved.

So just out of interest, if I was to scan in all the small print of my
insurance policy and post it up here, would you believe me then?

Ring them up. Your cylinder fails and the ceiling collapses beneath -
£10Ks worth of damage. Contact insurance company and they say was the
cylinder serviced? You say, no. They say, No way Jose. Give them a
ring and see what they say.

I've always thought it was a general principle of entering into a written
contract (with an insurance company or otherwise) that the terms of the
contract are written down in advance and signed, rather than made up on
the spur of the moment to suit one party to the contract. But what do I
know

Equipment being serviced that is required to, is usually written in
somewhere; in writing you can't decipher usually.

Common sense. Equipment requires a service and you do not have it serviced
will make the claim void. No one will pay up, and why should they as you
have created the problem by not maintaining the equipment.

- I'm clearly a plantpot and need to eff off, right?

You may be right.